Why can't we trade classic subscription?(Originally titled "It's dumb")

Baszle · #1 11-04-2008, 08:22 PM

Why can't we trade classic subscription?

Soala · #2 11-04-2008, 08:26 PM

Nobody will ever trade this, or maybe you don't play classic servers anymore?

Baszle · #3 11-04-2008, 08:29 PM

You don't know that no body will ever trade it, what if someone's quitting and wants to give it to a trial? Or what if someone wants to swap it to they're trial.

Crono · #4 11-04-2008, 08:32 PM

By trade I do hope you mean transfer.

Baszle · #5 11-04-2008, 08:33 PM

I mean in Graal Shop/Inventory/Trade.
In the little graal start menu it's considered "Trade" but yeah it's basically a transfer.

Crow · #6 11-04-2008, 08:35 PM

Probably won't ever happen. Graal Online doesn't really "support" lifetime classic anymore, we should be happy that we can actually keep it.

Tigairius · #7 11-04-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow

we should be happy that we can actually keep it.

I agree.

DustyPorViva · #8 11-04-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Baszle

You don't know that no body will ever trade it, what if someone's quitting and wants to give it to a trial? Or what if someone wants to swap it to they're trial.

This is exactly why. How will they make profit if people can just give their lifetime subscriptions away?

I agree with transferring it to my other accounts, but I'm not stressed with it. I do, however, hate the excuse they give -- "we can't transfer it because it doesn't exist as a subscription anymore". I find it hard to believe that account data is limited to what subscriptions exist.

Sam · #9 11-04-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

This is exactly why. How will they make profit if people can just give their lifetime subscriptions away?

That's right! Why should a company let their players made profit by selling their lifetime account? Why should they let their players give it away for free? The benefit of lifetime classic was not made to bequeath it.

Soala · #10 11-05-2008, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Why should they let their players give it away for free?

I guess they would like the players to do so, because they'd have to buy classic subscriptions again, which will never happen.

I guess you wanted to say "Why would the players give it away for free"

=P

DarkReaper0 · #11 11-05-2008, 01:52 AM

Sucks for the people that have to pay yearly for this game.

I'm still waiting for the figures to come in of the number of people who subscribe more than 1 year on an account. Probably low.

cbk1994 · #12 11-05-2008, 02:00 AM

Lifetime Classic was a big mistake. You're lucky to keep it. Why would you think you can transfer that?

knightfire35 · #13 11-05-2008, 03:04 AM

I think this is a really stupid idea. It's not like there would be many players out there who would trade it. It's lifetime, you can always come back. Classic players are permitted to keep it because it was promised to them. And it was around before subscriptions could be traded.

CharlieM · #14 11-05-2008, 04:44 AM

I usually subscribe in advance because although I don't play graal all that much sometimes I just get a craving for it, I've got lifetime classic but like 48-50 dollars a year isn't that much. Stupidish idea but they should have it were if a certain amount of accounts are bought in a month, they will have one week were lifetime classic is sold.

jacob_bald6225 · #15 11-05-2008, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

Lifetime Classic was a big mistake.

I disagree I personally wouldn't pay for any of the content on graal. The money doesn't even go to most of the developers... they pay to work, and now they pay a yearly fee to work for a probably smaller playerbase.

Sam · #16 11-05-2008, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by alexandralove

I guess they would like the players to do so, because they'd have to buy classic subscriptions again, which will never happen.

I guess you wanted to say "Why would the players give it away for free"

=P

No. Everyone who gets it for free do not need to buy a subscription.

Crono · #17 11-05-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

Lifetime Classic was a big mistake. You're lucky to keep it. Why would you think you can transfer that?

No it wasn't, kid.

DarkRenji · #18 11-05-2008, 01:56 PM

Why are you saying " we are lucky to keep our lifetime classic" ? We paid for it for life, we damn well better keep it

Elk · #19 11-05-2008, 08:12 PM

I agree with cbk.
Be happy to have one, theres children who have big bills on their phone now for buying p2p via phone

Soala · #20 11-05-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

No. Everyone who gets it for free do not need to buy a subscription.

What if they want to play gold servers ?

Oh and, if Stefan or Unixmad would remove every lifetime classic, guess what, they would loose money.

Elk · #21 11-05-2008, 08:18 PM

How would they lose money

Cyberjoueurs has big time right now, graal is just a small part XD
Graal mostly earns money with the Gelat system, not subscriptions

cbk1994 · #22 11-06-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlieM

I usually subscribe in advance because although I don't play graal all that much sometimes I just get a craving for it, I've got lifetime classic but like 48-50 dollars a year isn't that much. Stupidish idea but they should have it were if a certain amount of accounts are bought in a month, they will have one week were lifetime classic is sold.

Maybe certain times when Classic, or Gold, is open to all, but not selling lifetime Classic. People would just wait for these times to upgrade.

I remember one Christmas (if I recall correctly), they allowed everyone to play Gold servers. This was of course when there were a hundred people on Kingdoms at a time, but I think the same thing may be effective now.

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Originally Posted by Crono

No it wasn't, kid.

It can be interpreted two ways. It's either helping them by people sticking around and paying for Gold, or it's hurting them by people still playing and never upgrading.

I personally think it's clear what it's doing, though I don't know whether it'd be necessarily better if we had fewer players bringing in money than lots of players bringing in the same amount of money. All depends on whether the old players would buy a new Classic subscription.

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Originally Posted by Elk

How would they lose money

Cyberjoueurs has big time right now, graal is just a small part XD
Graal mostly earns money with the Gelat system, not subscriptions

Subscriptions are now sold through the gelat system

LoneAngelIbesu · #23 11-06-2008, 12:50 AM

Dunno if this has been mentioned or not.. but..

You can't trade Lifetime Classic subscriptions because the "lifetime" part of it only applies to the subscriber. So, if it (legally) transfers from one person to another, the "lifetime" part is nulled, and therefore it'd only be a Classic subscription. Since there is no "Classic" subscription, the entire subscription would probably just be rendered null and void.

This is all conjecture, though.

Bell · #24 11-06-2008, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

Dunno if this has been mentioned or not.. but..

You can't trade Lifetime Classic subscriptions because the "lifetime" part of it only applies to the subscriber. So, if it (legally) transfers from one person to another, the "lifetime" part is nulled, and therefore it'd only be a Classic subscription. Since there is no "Classic" subscription, the entire subscription would probably just be rendered null and void.

This is all conjecture, though.

And pretty much dead on correct. Besides the fact that the Terms of Service when you buy the account state that you cannot sell, trade or otherwise give away and account.

Tolerian28 · #25 01-28-2009, 01:06 AM

Yet if I buy anything else in this world, it is therefore MY PROPERTY, and I am free to do what I please with it. It's not like I told Graal they can't use my money for what they want.

Tigairius · #26 01-28-2009, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Tolerian28

Yet if I buy anything else in this world, it is therefore MY PROPERTY, and I am free to do what I please with it. It's not like I told Graal they can't use my money for what they want.

What about if you rent something? Is that YOUR PROPERTY then? No. You're merely renting an account from Graal, it's not your property.
You may not have told Graal what they can use your money for, but Graal told you what you should use your account for and you agreed to it before purchasing it.

Tyhm · #27 01-28-2009, 01:12 AM

You can't transfer lifetime warranties either: if I get every last part of my car replaced by the mechanic, then a wheel falls off, the mechanic fixes it for free. But if I sell my car and THEN the wheel falls off, despite the fact that the mechanic was just as much at fault for having installed the wheel in the first place, the new owner's boned.

Tolerian28 · #28 01-28-2009, 02:01 AM

I think you should be able to TRANSFER it in Trade.
Possibly to your new account since you like the name better.
If you paid for it once, it should belong to you, and you should be able to trade the stats and items you earned as well as the subscription.
IMO.

You both have good points against my opinion, especially Tyhm.
In reality I don't think its renting if you have a Lifetime Subscription, that basically means its yours until you die or the game dies.

But in the world of business, the customer isn't always right and rarely gets the fair end of the deal. IMO.

cyan3 · #29 01-28-2009, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tolerian28

I think you should be able to TRANSFER it in Trade.

If you were able to transfer life-time classic then you'll find a few people taking advantage of it and sell the life-time for real money.

Tyhm · #30 01-28-2009, 02:41 AM

Hey, if you can come up with a bulletproof way to determine that the two accounts are in fact the same person, cool...and frankly, if you want to change your Lifetime Account's name from Tolerian28 to TolerianPrime or whatever, I figure a name change should be within the realm of possibility. But if you wanted to transfer the Lifetime Classic Warranty from Tolerian28 to Cyan3, (and especially if Cyan3 gave you his old copy of Final Fantasy 7 in trade), things start to really suck at Cyberjouers when the server bills come due....

Tolerian28 · #31 01-28-2009, 02:49 AM

name change sums it all up for my argument

but what is this realm of possibility you speak of?
lol.

cbk1994 · #32 01-28-2009, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Tolerian28

name change sums it all up for my argument

but what is this realm of possibility you speak of?
lol.

Community names make it a lot easier to change names.

Changing an account name would not work, because on servers like GK and Zodiac, which store information in mudlibs, it would be like a new player. For other servers, similar things may happen.

However, if a community name was changed (and scripts for mudlibs, etc, should be using account in case of this), there would be little effect on scripts, unless the scripts were poorly written or outdated.