Kingdoms are degrading.

[FatherDante]

Stefan said "no new kingdoms," repeatedly, and what a relief. The last thing we needed was more new kingdoms. But then today, Outlaws were made into a kingdom. This kingdom has no Roleplay relevance, not even a roleplay direction at all.

As soon as they were created, in an effort to make his guild powerful, Brad vigourously recruited, irrelevant of roleplaying ability. Within minutes Outlaws had at least 15 members, none of which were roleplayers.

This is bothersome. I know how these things go. Once the kingdom is created, Stefan will never go to the trouble of taking it down. Kingdoms are now officially no longer a roleplaying institution.

[Spyder5782]

Originally posted by FatherDante
Stefan said "no new kingdoms," repeatedly, and what a relief. The last thing we needed was more new kingdoms. But then today, Outlaws were made into a kingdom. This kingdom has no Roleplay relevance, not even a roleplay direction at all.

As soon as they were created, in an effort to make his guild powerful, Brad vigourously recruited, irrelevant of roleplaying ability. Within minutes Outlaws had at least 15 members, none of which were roleplayers.

This is bothersome. I know how these things go. Once the kingdom is created, Stefan will never go to the trouble of taking it down. Kingdoms are now officially no longer a roleplaying institution.

I agree

[evilive]

I would re check the crystal ball, Dante... We do not even have 10 members, and yes, we Can roleplay. Brad is set on recruting people and teaching them how to role play. I only recruit those who know what they are doing. Get it right. Besides, we are the people that go around, steal your money, and laught in your face. We are here to make mockery of the other kingdoms. We are not a huge kingdom with a huge castle, we're just your everyday thieves, assassins, killers, etc, here to play graal. Please stop pointing fingers just because me and brad 0wned you in the Spar tourny.

[AlkarenHyralt]

Originally posted by FatherDante
Stefan said "no new kingdoms," repeatedly, and what a relief. The last thing we needed was more new kingdoms. But then today, Outlaws were made into a kingdom. This kingdom has no Roleplay relevance, not even a roleplay direction at all.

As soon as they were created, in an effort to make his guild powerful, Brad vigourously recruited, irrelevant of roleplaying ability. Within minutes Outlaws had at least 15 members, none of which were roleplayers.

This is bothersome. I know how these things go. Once the kingdom is created, Stefan will never go to the trouble of taking it down. Kingdoms are now officially no longer a roleplaying institution.

So true Dante.... so very true...

[freddyfox]

This is sad.
VERY sad.
I wish kingdoms never EXISTED. It seemed like a nice idea at the time, but now it's turned into some cruel mockery of our roleplaying idea's.

[IceHawk]

Providence is going to be our saviour.

Outlaws is just a poor version of Karakaze Troupe.

[freddyfox]

Originally posted by evilive
we're just your everyday thieves, assassins, killers, etc, here to play graal.

You do not need fancy tags to play graal.

[kyle0654]

uh...wouldn't "outlaws" be on the run from the law, like the name implies? If so, would they want everyone to know they're an outlaw? Jeez...dumb

[Huggles]

Hawk:
Apparently, stefan thinks they are the spar masters:

[Asuka]

When i was head of the RPC i made sure no new kingdoms were added. When a new kingdom was made and they said they were approved by stefan i told their leader right off that their kingdom would NOT be made online. If i still cared trust me keldoran or whatever, celts, nor that karakaze troupe would have never gotten online shame i can't do anything anymore for i do not care about G2K1 anymore.

[Valder]

like i said before, the only way kingdoms should be official and or get online is if hey have good levels and have all of their levels made along with any NPC's and GFX needed, and no help from stefan

[Darkspector]

i think the outlaws is a good kingdom. all other kingdoms have big castles besides Pirates they have a ship but they want a cavern. Outlaws could get away with little huts and and tents that would be a nice change

[Spyder5782]

Originally posted by Asuka
When i was head of the RPC i made sure no new kingdoms were added. When a new kingdom was made and they said they were approved by stefan i told their leader right off that their kingdom would NOT be made online. If i still cared trust me keldoran or whatever, celts, nor that karakaze troupe would have never gotten online shame i can't do anything anymore for i do not care about G2K1 anymore.

Karakaze troupe is not considered a kingdom. We having trouble even making it a guild.

[Asuka]

*cough* karakaze troupe *cough*

[Grease_Man2]

Originally posted by evilive
I would re check the crystal ball, Dante... We do not even have 10 members, and yes, we Can roleplay. Brad is set on recruting people and teaching them how to role play. I only recruit those who know what they are doing. Get it right. Besides, we are the people that go around, steal your money, and laught in your face. We are here to make mockery of the other kingdoms. We are not a huge kingdom with a huge castle, we're just your everyday thieves, assassins, killers, etc, here to play graal. Please stop pointing fingers just because me and brad 0wned you in the Spar tourny.

no, brad respawned, and i am sure you did the same.

Outlaws is stupid.

[Spyder5782]

Originally posted by Asuka
*cough* karakaze troupe *cough*

?


Oh, and play CS with me!

[Birdbird_0]

-_- I am putting 200% in redoing Dustari to make it full rp, to make it so you are tought how to rp in the town below it, and redoing everything, this might save what is elft with the rp system in graal2001 ::takes out a goat:: *splat splat splat* there no more Outlaws -_- if you havent noticed I have gone gothic.

[Fai]

WTFZX

"OUTLAWZ" are not sparring masters cause *I* am

[Admins]

Yes the sparring thing was a little bit messed up

Hmmmm Brad has made some little RP events before
so I didn't thought its a problem to add a tag
helper for them, it doesn't mean that they are a
kingdom.

About kingdoms/role playing: we are preparing
something for that, but it needs to be secret.
Please don't make everyone down who
wants to have fun on Graal2001. Like I said
you cannot just say that thing is role-playing,
that is not role-playing. If there are too many
people running around and doing pking or
messing up things then we need to make
something so that they don't mess up things.
Any ideas are welcome for that.

[Admins]

Oh yes forgot to say: that supervisor-npc should
be removed if its abused by police
(spying at people who are not doing illegal
stuff is abuse of power!)

[Vash]

Youre the one to call the shots Stefan

But theres still 298797907098709869875 kingdoms

[Admins]

There are the kingdoms
Dustari, Samurai, Zormite, Pirate Crew,
and some bigger guilds like
Bomy Gang, Baddies, Outlaws

What Dante said is right, and what Gonmon said was 100% wrong.

Brad DID run out and recruit a bunch of people, and that was not very smart.

Karakaze Troupe was made to rip people off and do exactly what Outlaws are trying to do. GRAAL2001 DOESN'T NEED ANOTHER KARAKAZE TROUPE. The Troupe was soon hated and basically exiled, due to the fact that everyone was after them. Outlaws seem to be posing Karakaze in the sense that they're trying to do the same thing.

This isn't a kingdom.

Oh, and if Outlaws are a mockery of the rest of the kingdoms, why have them? You see, that's the problem. You can't ROLEPLAY if there are people who MOCK roleplaying around! That's exactly what Outlaws are doing.

Also, since Brad just recruited everyone, and since Gonmon thinks he's "teaching them how to roleplay," doesn't that mean Brad has to be able to roleplay himself? I honestly don't think he can. When I was Empress of Samurai, we had a battle with the Pirate Crew. He was Lookout then. During the battle, whenever he died, he just kept fighting over and over again. That's not roleplaying. If he was roleplaying, he'd try to heal, go to the church (I know Dante was there), things like that.

On a lighter note, you can't teach people to roleplay. People basically have to learn how themselves, or just watch people roleplay many, many times. I've ran many online RPGs in my internet-lifetime, and I know that to be true.


Sigh. Stefan, Outlaws just won't work.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Originally posted by Stefan
There are the kingdoms
Dustari, Samurai, Zormite, Pirate Crew,
and some bigger guilds like
Bomy Gang, Baddies, Outlaws

Yes I am glad you are letting at least some guilds on new main, it's brings a different perspective to the whole Kingdom/guild relationship. You don't see Bomy Gang and Baddies participate in Kingdom games do you? You don't see them RP at all either... so why call them a kingdom? They are just a guild with a meeting place

[Sjc2k1]

but outlaws paticipates in the kingdom games and stefan states they are a big guild

Originally posted by Sjc2k1
but outlaws paticipates in the kingdom games and stefan states they are a big guild

Bingo. Something needs to be done.

[Rohar]

Role Playing ruined this server in the first place. It was obviously one of the last things Stefan wanted to happen to it. This wasn't designed to be an RP server in the first place, wasn't it? That's why a RPing server should be made that's almost on par with Graal2001 in innovations and nearly the same caliber of new features. The kingdoms could all be transfered there and it would no longer be Stefan's responsibility, thus ridding him of several worries and letting him focus on more important things.

[Admins]

Yes Graal2001 was not designed for role-playing

I think for most people it is hard to do
role-playing when they don't have the right
environment or are forced to play different roles.

All I can say is that we are working on it...

[G_yoshi]

I will say it again...if anyone is willing to do the work, they can setup rping on my pw I will try to help, but I am still busy putting other stuff together and things like that...

email me if interested

Originally posted by Stefan
Yes Graal2001 was not designed for role-playing

I think for most people it is hard to do
role-playing when they don't have the right
environment or are forced to play different roles.

All I can say is that we are working on it...

This is replying to both Rohar and Stefan:

If graal wasn't designed for roleplaying, THEN WHY THE HECK WERE KINGDOMS ACCEPTED IN THE FIRST PLACE?!

Stefan, a word of advice: if you are going to say that there won't be any roleplaying, or it wasn't designed for it, just don't have kingdoms and let people go to playerworlds like Valikorlia to roleplay. It's as simple as that.

[Rohar]

Apparently he was nagged enough by the RPC and he finally gave in to their whinning .

Stefan, instead of staying with it on Graal 2001, you could turn it over to, say, G_Yoshi and whoever would be willing to turn his server into an RP server.

Originally posted by Rohar

Stefan, instead of staying with it on Graal 2001, you could turn it over to, say, G_Yoshi and whoever would be willing to turn his server into an RP server.

I agree totally
We need an RP Server that wont die out like Valikorlia did =\ No offence Tyne.

Originally posted by Dark Drak


I agree totally
We need an RP Server that wont die out like Valikorlia did =\ No offence Tyne.

Correction: No offense Malak.

Originally posted by QueenGarnet


Correction: No offense Malak.

Both him and Tyne =\ I hated Dragoons that was a good idea that turned horribly wrong.

Originally posted by Dark Drak

Both him and Tyne =\ I hated Dragoons that was a good idea that turned horribly wrong.

Err... MALAK owns Valikorlia.

[Brad0629]

you got it all wrong....

We're not a kingdom

We are a group of bandits held together by their just sense of humor and mischevious ways....We arent Dustari who is a true kingdom with royalty and such and we are not Samurai with all the powers of all that kind of stuff. We are Outlaws, a band of rebels that were never accepted into the life of Royalty or if they were accepted, they would be treated like garbage. Im sorry if my idea offended you, I dont see what the problem is...

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Originally posted by Brad0629
you got it all wrong....

We're not a kingdom

We are a group of bandits held together by their just sense of humor and mischevious ways....We arent Dustari who is a true kingdom with royalty and such and we are not Samurai with all the powers of all that kind of stuff. We are Outlaws, a band of rebels that were never accepted into the life of Royalty or if they were accepted, they would be treated like garbage. Im sorry if my idea offended you, I dont see what the problem is...

Your a fool
I found a bunch of people today up top right hand corner today near the outlaws tag helper. Brad was there saying something about testing people for RP'ing. He then start massing about him being a kingdom and I asked him "are you guys a guild?" He said "Yes we are a kingdom". And besides, I don't think Outlaws is a big guild

[Brad0629]

we CAME OUT YESTERDAY WE ARENT A BIG GUILD OR ANYTHING RIGHT NOW OMG

[freddyfox]

Originally posted by Brad0629
Im sorry if my idea offended you, I dont see what the problem is...

We all go deathly insane whenever we hear there's a new kingdom added, and we have never seen them doing RP at work before, so we don't know whether it's a good thing or not.

If you had been desperately searching for roleplaying as I have been, you'd understand a little better.

[Brad0629]

geez

you dont know a thing about us except we won sparring yesterday