Want too.

[Ravenblade1979]

It has come to my attention that people have been having problems with my attitude. I would like to work this out with people but I need to point out that you people aren't exactly easy to deal with. A person says something and you automatically shoot back with insults or racist remarks or even bother someone till they complain to me.

If your caught doing something wrong just deal with the consequences. Usually its just a lock. I myself lock people for only 10 minutes then let them out.

But seriously lets work this stuff out.

[pooper200000]

It has come to my attention that people have been having problems with my attitude.

I have problems with your attitude but if I try addressing them you just tell me to "F*** OFF"
I really don't see why you posted this thread when you will most likely just attack anyone who posts any/some constructive criticism.

[SolidSnake989]

Wow, i can guess all those deleted post with a vry edumcationed gues.

But Raven, It's not us. It's you.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake989

But Raven, It's not us. It's you.

Explain why it's Raven then?

[SolidSnake989]

Originally Posted by Dan

Explain why it's Raven then?

Apperently you have only seen his suck up side

He's one of the worest people I've ever seen with an attitude problem. This is coming from someone who has a bad attitude. He gets upset every easily, Which will build up and up then he ends up with a bad attitude. Please if your going to ask why he gets upset, I'll tell you right now, simple NAME CALLING and also barrel throwing.

[Deas_Voice]

i have no problems with ravens atitude,
i got a nice rule i try to stick with, "treat others as youself would want to get treaten"
its not raven its you guys, because you guys complain alot at raven so he gets mad because he just hate people who cant deal with that they got cought doing something wrong, so i would advice you all to read the rules once more ( or even read it for the first time! )

[Desear]

I just would like you to listen more clearly, a respect the players in-general.

For example, when you were changing Iricia, we told you numerous times, don't do it, it won't end well, and that other planets needed it more. Instead of taking our replies, or even acknowledging them, you act immature, and say, "Lamers are the only ones who disagree?". You could have at least said some a lot nicer, and mature, "Guys look, I know you might not like the change, but its for the better, and if it doesn't work out, we can have Stefan change it back, ok?"

Personally, I think you need to learn to respect others as well, and allow them on the same scale as you, just because your older then all the other players, doesn't mean you can talk down to them.

[anubis_wing]

All ETs go through this, Raven just takes it more...offensive.

[Darlene159]

this appears to me to be a thread in which Raven is trying to resolve some issues some have with him. Keep the posts regarding that issue, without flaming, and name calling.
Also, if you dont have anything worthwhile to say, such as "lol" or something similar, then dont post. It isnt helpful at all in this thread, and is nothing but spam.

[Dante55555]

All these deleted posts? Dang, I missed the drama! =(

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

It has come to my attention that people have been having problems with my attitude. I would like to work this out with people but I need to point out that you people aren't exactly easy to deal with. A person says something and you automatically shoot back with insults or racist remarks or even bother someone till they complain to me.

If your caught doing something wrong just deal with the consequences. Usually its just a lock. I myself lock people for only 10 minutes then let them out.

But seriously lets work this stuff out.

I'd love to break this down line for line all fancy like but I don't know how to do that. Let me work my magic, tho :o

You: It has come to my attention that people have been having problems with my attitude. I would like to work this out with people but I need to point out that you people aren't exactly easy to deal with.

My response: Well, it's sort of your job to "deal" with them.

You: If your caught doing something wrong just deal with the consequences. Usually its just a lock. I myself lock people for only 10 minutes then let them out.

My response: I've heard some complaints about you myself. Apparently, you ban people a lot. You can't handle simple namecalling, either. Now I was a bit of a hardbutt when I was a GP, but I seldom retaliated to people by sticking a ban on their forehead. Oh sure, I made threats just to spook them (only if they were random noobs; you whisper ban and they go running) but I never let them get under my skin.
Unless they start throwing racial slurs at you, just ignore them. If they do, give them a warning. If they persist, kick them. If they persist, lock them. If they persist, disconnect them. If they persist, warn them that they are on their last chance before you ban them. If they continue, hit them with your ban hammer.

Easy enough? You've got my msn. If you have any questions or need some tips, just email me.

Originally Posted by SolidSnake989

Apperently you have only seen his suck up side

Please if your going to ask why he gets upset, I'll tell you right now, simple NAME CALLING and also barrel throwing.

This sounds like Puppy :o

Originally Posted by Desear

I just would like you to listen more clearly, a respect the players in-general.

For example, when you were changing Iricia, we told you numerous times, don't do it, it won't end well, and that other planets needed it more. Instead of taking our replies, or even acknowledging them, you act immature, and say, "Lamers are the only ones who disagree?". You could have at least said some a lot nicer, and mature, "Guys look, I know you might not like the change, but its for the better, and if it doesn't work out, we can have Stefan change it back, ok?"

Personally, I think you need to learn to respect others as well, and allow them on the same scale as you, just because your older then all the other players, doesn't mean you can talk down to them.

Desear, you're amazing. I love how you analyze problems and come up with easy solutions, all in a very calm manner. Try being more like Desear, Raven.

My own thoughts regarding some of the things Desear addressed in his posts:


Desear: I just would like you to listen more clearly, a respect the players in-general.

My thoughts: A simple request and one that you can't go wrong with.


Desear: For example, when you were changing Iricia, we told you numerous times, don't do it, it won't end well, and that other planets needed it more.

My thoughts: Whooo, I have to agree here. I logged onto Zone for the first time in months and felt part of my soul get torn to pieces. Base 1... BAD RAVEN! Ok, I'll admit the front part would have been a good idea. As in, just building it up a little. Making it look formidable since, after all, it's base 1. The whole extention upwards, however, was not needed.
Also, bridges on Iricia are a big no-no. They eliminate one of the biggest reasons people buy jetpacks. Scrap what you did on Zone Debug, man. It's not going to work and Dan agreed with me on it. So, even if you are going to throw a tantrum (not saying you will) and say you're going to do it anyway, you're not. It's Dan's server, not yours.
Er... On the subject of Dan...if so many of the ETs opposed it, why the heck didn't he even listen to them? Surely that many staff members against a certain topic would count for SOMETHING? Daniel I thought I taught you better ):

Desear: Instead of taking our replies, or even acknowledging them, you act immature, and say, "Lamers are the only ones who disagree?". You could have at least said some a lot nicer, and mature, "Guys look, I know you might not like the change, but its for the better, and if it doesn't work out, we can have Stefan change it back, ok?"

My thoughts: Always listen to your co-workers. ALWAYS. I listened to everyone and encouraged them to speak up (although with SN I began to regret it x]) so I'd know if I was doing something wrong before animosity built up, you know?
Plus, you can't be immature with admin rights. I don't want to see you get fired, Raven... Listen to everyone's problems with you and take them in stride.
It'll pay off in the long run :]

- Dante

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Dante55555

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From what I've seen, Raven does tend to get offended pretty easily.

[Ravenblade1979]

actually Pojo I refuse to talk to people from gk period. I have my reason.

Also I need to ask when i gave permission for you to post from our personal msn conversation.

Note: I have decided to keep a daily log of any pm's i sent and responses I get and I am going to be sending them to Dan.

As much as I really want to resolve this I also need to show him a side of the people complaining that they don't show. I will not be changing a thing in the logs. I have nothing to hide.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

actually Pojo I refuse to talk to people from gk period. I have my reason.

Which is why people see you as a stubborn and ignorant. I agree if you follow that.

Also I need to ask when i gave permission for you to post from our personal msn conversation.

Rule of thumb on the internet: don't say anything you wouldn't want others to see.

As much as I really want to resolve this I also need to show him a side of the people complaining that they don't show. I will not be changing a thing in the logs. I have nothing to hide.

Who cares? Players are allowed to complain if you are doing something wrong.

[SolidSnake989]

Originally Posted by Dante55555

This sounds like Puppy :o

No, trust me. It's Raven. Puppy gets mad at name calling and saying you love him. Raven gets mad at name calling and barrel throwing

[blazeingonix]

You banned me for no reason that's the problem with you . You are corrupt

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

actually Pojo I refuse to talk to people from gk period. I have my reason.

Also I need to ask when i gave permission for you to post from our personal msn conversation.

As much as I really want to resolve this I also need to show him a side of the people complaining that they don't show. I will not be changing a thing in the logs. I have nothing to hide.

In my own experience, Raven does indeed have a very poor attitude - this is the result of reacting too quickly; speaking without thinking. I think a lot of his problems could be solved by thinking before he reacted and talking to some other people about his ideas before he pursues them.

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Note: I have decided to keep a daily log of any pm's i sent and responses I get and I am going to be sending them to Dan.

That's kind of a crappy thing to do; Dan should be developing and concentrating on other areas, not baby sitting.

[pooper200000]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

actually Pojo I refuse to talk to people from gk period. I have my reason.

Also I need to ask when i gave permission for you to post from our personal msn conversation.

Note: I have decided to keep a daily log of any pm's i sent and responses I get and I am going to be sending them to Dan.

As much as I really want to resolve this I also need to show him a side of the people complaining that they don't show. I will not be changing a thing in the logs. I have nothing to hide.

This is all good and fine, but you didn't respond to half our posts which leads me to believe you do not intend to try to improve upon your abilities to do you job.

If you want to resolve this you would work with us and say you will try to do some of the things we suggested. After all the only reason we post in this thread is to help benefit you and it won't do any good if you don't at least say you plan to try to improve on some of the things that have been suggested.

[xAzerothx]

Like John said its Raven not the players.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

actually Pojo I refuse to talk to people from gk period. I have my reason.

you talk to me & im from gk

[Ravenblade1979]

@blaze: I didn't ban you. Dante did and i explained to you over msn the reason. I also told you how to go about clearing your name. I even talked to dan on your behalf but the only thing you told me is that you were gonna quit and that you deleted your graal program.

I tried everything I could to help you.

You didn't want to pursue the proper way to do things. I can't just unban you on your word. A global would need to prove that it was a false ban then i could unban you. otherwise your banned for the reason we discussed.

[blazeingonix]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

@blaze: I didn't ban you. Dante did and i explained to you over msn the reason. I also told you how to go about clearing your name. I even talked to dan on your behalf but the only thing you told me is that you were gonna quit and that you deleted your graal program.

I tried everything I could to help you.

You didn't want to pursue the proper way to do things. I can't just unban you on your word. A global would need to prove that it was a false ban then i could unban you. otherwise your banned for the reason we discussed.

OK you aren't corrupt then , but all staffs are.

[luffy620]

After reading every post in this thread, I have come to teh conclusion that


A.) The general consensus is that you are disliked, and there have been many suggestions as to how you can solve this problem, that you have failed to even acknowledge or reply to.

B.) You seem to be only interested in defending yourself, as the only posting you have done were replies to the ones that attacked you in a non-constuctive way, when really they are just opinions of people when you made a thread completely focused on the fact people don't like you.

C.) In my opinion, you need more abilities in listening to people, taking advice and using your head to think things through. I am sure you have tons of redeeming qualities, you should try making us see them. As a staff, you should stay out of most public affairs, and any staff who name calls and or is easily angered by a common player should really think about whether he's good for being a staff member or not. I am not saying you do those things without good reason, or at all in that manner as I haven't been around to witness it, but my point still remains.

Finally, just listen to your co-workers, they are to keep you in line and tell you what your doing wrong. My time as an ET was made loads easier because the staff on Zone does a wonderful job at telling you where you need to improve, and what you should do about it. So go home, grab some Q-tips, clean the wool out from your ears, and get to work on this self-improvement of yours =).

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Dante55555

Er... On the subject of Dan...if so many of the ETs opposed it, why the heck didn't he even listen to them? Surely that many staff members against a certain topic would count for SOMETHING? Daniel I thought I taught you better ):

We already spoke about this, but anyway, I told Raven today to make some changes and I think Iricia is more then fine now on Zone Debug We took away any not nessesary things / links and made realistic shortcuts (it's only 1 actually). I will get it added as soon as possible.

Also the Plasma Chaingun is done on Zone Debug now and will also be added real soon. Minomato ganied it .

For the Zone Bunker map I have to say there's quite some work (scriptwise) to be done. Stefan and I made a list and we will work on it.

/offtopic

Anytime I'm on RC I notice Raven doing nothing wrong to be honest. I also haven't got any proof yet of what he could have been doing wrong. I have watched his PM's today and they are fine as well.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Dan

Anytime I'm on RC I notice Raven doing nothing wrong to be honest. I also haven't got any proof yet of what he could have been doing wrong. I have watched his PM's today and they are fine as well.

He's not doing anything wrong. He's doing his job, and just that. Like the waiter that just serves food and takes orders but doesn't make small talk with the customers and make them feel at home. . He's doing his job fine, but he completely fails at being a people person. So while he does his job perfect, he's doing bad being one of the faces of Zone.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by kia345

He's not doing anything wrong. He's doing his job, and just that. Like the waiter that just serves food and takes orders but doesn't make small talk with the customers and make them feel at home. . He's doing his job fine, but he completely fails at being a people person. So while he does his job perfect, he's doing bad being one of the faces of Zone.

I see, I see him sending a lot of masses though, interacting with the players. I will keep an eye on it and I'm sure he will try to better himself too (if he's doing anything wrong).

[Ravenblade1979]

@luffy: I like your advice and will heed it fully. As well as some other peoples I have talked too.

@all others: I see i have some changes that i need to do and am willing to do it but know that I will still enforce the rules that I must. I will be lenient on smaller things but on major things please just don't argue with me as I won't with you. Like a waiter (sorry pojo had to steal this) I have my job to do.

On a brighter note I have been on a daily basis talking to people and a lot answer me back and I talk to them. I mostly help those that I can. Will take suggestions about events or even mass out upcoming events. I direct people to support if its something serious.

Anyways thats my final word on this. I hope that we will be on better terms in the near future.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Like a waiter (sorry pojo had to steal this) I have my job to do.

Unless you get on good terms with your customers, you'll never get employee of the month, and you'll be one of the names they look at when they need to downsize or replace.

Originally Posted by Dan

I see, I see him sending a lot of masses though, interacting with the players. I will keep an eye on it and I'm sure he will try to better himself too (if he's doing anything wrong).

Browse threads about Raven on Kingdoms. He's known to suck up just to impress anyone above him. Bjorn, any Kingdom leader, etc. He's most likely only taking part in masses because you're on, and even then, I doubt they're friendly, conversational masses, although I have been wrong.

[Crono]

LOL

u r 2 srs raven

[Donark]

wow and I thought I was the only one who thought raven had a short temper =P

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Donark

wow and I thought I was the only one who thought raven had a short temper =P

Explain?

[Donark]

Originally Posted by Dan

Explain?

He banned me twice for "harassing tenchry." But tenchry did it just as much "harassing" to me.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Donark

He banned me twice for "harassing tenchry." But tenchry did it just as much "harassing" to me.

You're already lieng saying he banned you twice. It was only once. So who should we believe?

[xAzerothx]

Originally Posted by Dan

You're already lieng saying he banned you twice. It was only once. So who should we believe?

You don't think something's wrong when everyone but you is against Raven?

[Dan]

Originally Posted by xAzerothx

You don't think something's wrong when everyone but you is against Raven?

If you read this thread well, you'll notice there's nothing proven of Raven being bad. So it's either everybody being yealous, or I'm being stupid not getting the point. Seeing someone say he's banned twice and then looking at his ban history and seeing it's not true makes me think the first.

[Donark]

Originally Posted by Dan

You're already lieng saying he banned you twice. It was only once. So who should we believe?

uhmm... no last time I checked when something happens , then happens again. That makes TWO

[pooper200000]

Originally Posted by Dan

If you read this thread well, you'll notice there's nothing proven of Raven being bad. So it's either everybody being jealous, or I'm being stupid not getting the point.

New Iricia. That says bad. I still find a lot of the tile errors are in Iricia and I find it annoying that it took over a month for him to fix it up. Either there were that many errors or he was neglient the first time and realized he made mistakes. I have looked at his new Iricia and have seen some new rules being tested out. AKA the no using mortars in bases.

There are some tile errors which are quite annoying

Posted by Stefan.

Raven's initial post:

Before anyone has stuff to say on what I need to fix I already know and will fix it up tommorow

Why wouldn't you fix stuff BEFORE moving it over to the main Zone? Wouldn't you want to release the finished product?

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

again will people shut up about the new iricia. Me and neo brought most of the original back on debug..just a few more things to be done.

@Az: when you start playing zone again I might listen to what you have to say.

That posts right there shows a lot of animosity towards Zone players. He tells people to shut up when I think a lot of them were trying to give constructive criticism.

He refuses to take input from players in the thread who don't play Zone but who have played so and have more time invested in Zone gameplay. He ignored or seemed to say he was going to ignore Az's input and Huwa's and I think they have both invested so much time they would know about game play and how to organize a map. Raven you may have 500 hours now but you still don't have many kills/deaths which says to me you are not too familiar with how to organize a map from a fighting perspective.

That proves him to be "bad" in my eyes for destroying my favorite world. I don't know if you have eyes or if you just refuse to see.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=78947

In that thread he continually attacked Tig to no end. He was not able to look over any personal hatred and attempted to tarnish Tig's reputation as best he could. He continued to post even after being asked not to by Moony because of his not flaming. (This isn't constructive criticism but it is a point that I have that supports my criticism)

I am sure you will say I dislike Raven, and I think Raven and I both agree we have some problems, but I'm not the only person who has problems with him and it seems like many other people have problems with his attitude, and his work. Dan quite a few people have mentioned his poor attitude and he has said he plans to change but I'm sure he could just be saying that. Most people don't change over night. I don't know if Raven is going to change but I also don't know if he should be given a second chance because of his past actions.

I don't know if he should be given a chance to develop another map just to see if he would accept player input. I think his poor attitude and his sometimes bad decision making skills should justify this.
e: I'm not jealous of Raven. I don't think I have the qualities or the mindset to be a fair minded GP, but I also want to voice my concerns since Dan had fallen under the imperssion that we were ignorant when that was most certainly not the case.

[xAzerothx]

I'm jealous of Raven kthxbai

[jkool666]

Lol, I dunno about this thread Raven... I have noticed you can be quite short tempered at times and quite boss'y to your fellow ETs at other times.
But if Dan says the ban history is fine, I'm sure it is and we shouldn't have reason to complain about your GP work.

@ Donark - Stop harrasing people. You won't be banned .
@ Dan - Ignore Donark, he harrases people all the time :P.

[Tigairius]

I have three words for this whole thread: I warned you.

[Dante55555]

Originally Posted by jkool666

quite boss'y to your fellow ETs

Which is your job, not his. He might be an ET with banning rights, but he is on the same level as the other ETs. Plus, since he's an ET, you can boss him around too :]