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Old 05-10-2008, 08:31 AM
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Yes, I am still staff for GK. And I am doing still support.
A manager for GK must be a very trustworthy person. A person that wasn't banned for cheating or such things.
This person has also to be mental balanced. I don't think the persons you discussed as a potential manager posses all these requirements.
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A manager for GK must be a very trustworthy person. A person that wasn't banned for cheating or such things.
This person has also to be mental balanced. I don't think the persons you discussed as a potential manager posses all these requirements.
Seriously, why do you care? You don't even log on to GK... ever... Let go of the past. It's okay, really.
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:34 AM
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Yes, I am still staff for GK. And I am doing still support.
A manager for GK must be a very trustworthy person. A person that wasn't banned for cheating or such things.
This person has also to be mental balanced. I don't think the persons you discussed as a potential manager posses all these requirements.
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Seriously, why do you care? You don't even log on to GK... ever... Let go of the past. It's okay, really.
I've got not too unrecent logs which deny that its your past, you are too obviously a janushead.
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Old 05-10-2008, 05:36 PM
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I've got not too unrecent logs which deny that its your past, you are too obviously a janushead.
That made almost no sense at all, but please, share those logs with me, because right now I'm doubting you have any idea what you're talking about. By the way, what's a janushead?
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Old 05-10-2008, 07:22 PM
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That made almost no sense at all, but please, share those logs with me, because right now I'm doubting you have any idea what you're talking about. By the way, what's a janushead?
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:03 PM
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Yes, I am still staff for GK. And I am doing still support.
A manager for GK must be a very trustworthy person. A person that wasn't banned for cheating or such things.
This person has also to be mental balanced. I don't think the persons you discussed as a potential manager posses all these requirements.
Not necessarily. In this case, GK doesn't even need a traditional "server manager". Bjorn could even keep his spot, and then Stephen or whoever could be Development Manager. They wouldn't even need access to to the main server, in theory (though it would help I'm sure). They could manage the development, and, in the case they start to abuse, there is nothing they can delete, etc.
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Old 05-10-2008, 03:07 PM
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This person has also to be mental balanced. I don't think the persons you discussed as a potential manager posses all these requirements.
I'm guessing you haven't had the luxury of speaking to Bjorn recently - he's a cranky jerk now a days.
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he's a cranky jerk now a days.
Bjorn has always been a jerk. Suggest something or ask for something and you'll get a reply as a stupid emote such as "x-x".

Also, If Stephen becomes Manager, I get Dustari. Stephen4Manager.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:44 PM
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Yes, I am still staff for GK. And I am doing still support.
A manager for GK must be a very trustworthy person. A person that wasn't banned for cheating or such things.
This person has also to be mental balanced. I don't think the persons you discussed as a potential manager posses all these requirements.
1. That's ONLY your own opinion on what a manager should be.
2. The general consensus here is that any staff, especially one with a position such as your own, should be active enough so that we don't even have to question whether or not you're doing anything.

Look at yourself before criticizing others.

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Old 05-12-2008, 10:45 AM
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1. That's ONLY your own opinion on what a manager should be.
No. It's also the opinion of the highest managers of Graalonline.
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2. The general consensus here is that any staff, especially one with a position such as your own, should be active enough so that we don't even have to question whether or not you're doing anything.

Look at yourself before criticizing others.
I am the retired EM Admin. I never worked on dev or something like this. Now I am still doing support on the support center and for the entire EM Admin.
At last I didn't criticized anyone, I just doubt that some of the people here fits to the requirements.
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Old 05-12-2008, 10:49 AM
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No. It's also the opinion of the highest managers of Graalonline.
Who says Stephen and I aren't trustworthy? Why would we be trying to help GK if we were only trying to destroy it? Why would I have spent my countless weekends scripting all day long for GK when I had better things I could have been doing? Why do you think Stephen and I are the only people trying to save GK? Do you think it's because we're cheaters and not trustworthy? Sounds like you're trying to slander our names because you don't want to see GK succeed. Do you see anything GK could lose at this point? Really? You're not around, Bjorn's not around, I speak for all of the players that actually play GK when I say: we just want GK to be alive again, and in order to achieve that we have to start at one of the sources of the problem... the management. I'm not here to cause you trouble, I'm not here to destroy GK or Graal or whatever you've been feeding to people. I'm not a cheater. Yes, I have experimented with hacking before, there's no way to get around that. I am human, and I make mistakes. Let this be a confession to the community, although it's already widely known: I used to hack. Did I hack because I hate Graal? No, I did it because I was bored, end of story. I've never actually been against Graal itself. There were times I was mad at the management after Lance reset my account on GK for no good reason, when he could have easily taken the illegal item I traded for. Instead, due to the fact that he didn't like me very well, he decides to just put me back at square one and reset me. If you don't think I'm trustworthy, that's fine, and you know what? If you really don't want Stephen and I to save GK, fine, we will both step down and it will just sit here, then you can run the show like you've been doing just so well for the past couple of years.

Mental balance? Who says Stephen and I don't have mental balance? I hardly think that's even a valid point considering the fact that Ibonic is on heavy medications for his mental instability and he still seems to do a pretty damn good job. Stop recycling the same over-used excuses, Sam, no one buys in to that stuff except your friends. Look, I'm not here to make friends, but I pay for my GK subscription, and if you, or Bjorn, or whoever is supposed to be leading this server is not going to make it fun for me, or Stephen, or all of the other players, then I, along with Stephen, have no choice but to take it upon myself and get my money's worth. I'm not paying to sit in trade any longer unless I get the chance to make a difference, a difference at a time where no differences are being made except by Stephen and I.

Sam, I will publicly ask you a question and I expect you to answer it in front of the entire community:

A) Do you want Stephen and I to step down, stop developing and not become the manager, let GK wallow in it's own waste at the bottom of the Gold server list, and eventually die?
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B) Do you want to stop trying to be so proud, let go of the past, and watch GK flourish once again at the top of the Gold server list?

Pick A or B, one or the other, no other choices.

This is to benefit everyone, remember, including GraalOnline profits. Choose carefully of your next answer, because it literally decides the fate of GK. Now you can really show everyone if you care about GK and it's future or if you just care about being in control of GK by placing your puppet friends in staff positions that you can control.
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Old 05-12-2008, 08:47 PM
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...A) Do you want Stephen and I to step down, stop developing and not become the manager, let GK wallow in it's own waste at the bottom of the Gold server list, and eventually die?
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B) Do you want to stop trying to be so proud, let go of the past, and watch GK flourish once again at the top of the Gold server list?

Pick A or B, one or the other, no other choices...
All I know is, Stefan is very careful if people shall get powerful admin rights. And I think he is doing right.
At last, nobody knows what's the matter of the current "problems". I am sure if Stephane and Stefan wants to update GK they will do it. Same goes if the want set a new manager or additional managers for GK.

And about the past: too many things happened I am still not sure if such things can't happen again
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All I know is, Stefan is very careful if people shall get powerful admin rights. And I think he is doing right.
At last, nobody knows what's the matter of the current "problems". I am sure if Stephane and Stefan wants to update GK they will do it. Same goes if the want set a new manager or additional managers for GK.

And about the past: too many things happened I am still not sure if such things can't happen again
You failed to choose an option, because right now those are our only options. I didn't give you those two options to choose just to be difficult. It is very good to be careful about the people you hire and give rights to, I agree completely, but there is a certain point when there is nothing to lose (like right now) that you should probably relax up a little bit (like how I hired a new manager to Ol' West recently to try to help speed up the process). Of course things can happen again, but I have worked too hard changing my entire persona to go back to that. I'm just going to ask you one favor: if you're going to be inactive and useless to GK, please, at least for the sake of GK, stay out of my way. I wish we could be friends, I wish you could get along with me after the several attempts I've made to patch up our relationship, but right now appealing to you is the last thing on my mind. I wish I could make everyone happy and still save GK, but you know? I can't. I have to concentrate on what the players want and I have to try to make what they want to see for GK, and I have to plan things to try to save GK with Stephen. I have patched up my many differences with quite a few people in order to save GK because friendships are trivial when we're looking at the stake of an entire server. Just recently Stephen and I were a bit irritated with each other, but we have to set those small things aside and join up together to try to save this place that has apparently been forgotten.
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Old 05-12-2008, 09:02 PM
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I am sure if Stephane and Stefan wants to update GK they will do it.
That's not good enough.

GK should be regularly updated before it needs to be. Right now, it's not even being updated when it needs to be.

So I'm guessing them doing it whenever they "wants to update GK" isn't cutting it.

Let's reflect on this situation:
1. We're complaining cause GK isn't doing well
2. A few people are making suggestions on what needs to be done
3. Your answer is "They'll do whatever they want when they want"
4. ?????
5. Profit
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Who says Stephen and I aren't trustworthy?.
Me and a lot of other players. Stephen is maybe more trustworthy than you.

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Old 05-12-2008, 11:43 PM
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Me and a lot of other players.
Well, "me and a lot of other players" disagree with you and your "lot of other players."

Who's to say who's right? If you want to say the majority wins, it'll probably be in our favor.


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Old 05-13-2008, 11:35 AM
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Well, "me and a lot of other players" disagree with you and your "lot of other players".
Who's to say who's right? If you want to say the majority wins, it'll probably be in our favor.
yes because the last active players are mainly Tig's friends. If it was some months ago or the last year for exemple, it will not be in your favor, because we all knows what will happen if Tig get power on GK.
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