Grahl or Grail?!

[Googi]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

IPA: /gʀɑl/

You'll have to explain what this means to me, as I'm not familiar with what glyphs the IPA uses to represent what sounds.

[ViperZakuto]

me either I'm not french... i figured a person who speaks french might know.

Originally Posted by Crow

As far as I know, Stefan chose the name. And he's german. Graal.

I was told he was french not german =O

Originally Posted by Tigairius

You people cannot comprehend English very well, or what? It's obviously "grail," I don't know how it can be confused otherwise.

where is the E on the end to make the a sound and not ahhh

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

You people cannot comprehend English very well, or what? It's obviously "grail," I don't know how it can be confused otherwise.

No its not obviously "grail", can you read?

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by Inverness

No its not obviously "grail", can you read?

It's not a matter of literacy.

It's a matter of eyesight.

Ask him if he's blind.

[cbk1994]

I always was told Grail, but I've always pronounced it Grawl. It just seems easier to say, especially in English I suppose.

[Laek2007]

Originally Posted by Jeffyy

Grail in german is spelt Gral. Which is probably why Stefan calls this game graal, since germans cant say Grail. xD

I w1n.

Who gives a crap about Germany.

In Swedish is Graal = Grail

In french is Graal = Grail

I also say "Grawl". But I only do this because I pronounce it the way I do in Swedish. The actual meaning of the word is Grail in Swedish aswell. So if I want to pronounce it in english I would say Grail. Not Graal. Because Graal is not a word in the english vocabulary.

The end. Thank you.

[Laek2007]

Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks

"My name is pronounced like this: Kamuii."
"Dustari is pronounced Dustari."
"It's Graal. Not Grail..."

Do you call your mom "mamma"? Probably not. Because you don't speak my language.

Then why the hell should you pronounce Graal as Grawl. If your not speaking french or any other language. When it obviously means GRAIL. In english.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Laek2007

Do you call your mom "mamma"? Probably not. Because you don't speak my language.

Then why the hell should you pronounce Graal as Grawl. If your not speaking french or any other language. When it obviously means GRAIL. In english.

because it just sounds better. kind of like

tomato - to-mah-toe
potato - po-tah-toe

[Darlene159]

I have always pronounced it "Grawl" because that is what it looked like it was pronounced when I first saw it.
Habit will make me continue to say it that way, even if it is wrong, because it wouldn't sound right any other way.

[xAzerothx]

I wouldn't say let's play Graal to anyone in real life so I don't care how you say it.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by xAzerothx

I wouldn't say let's play Graal to anyone in real life so I don't care how you say it.

i sure do... got to get as many people on here as possible =O

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by Laek2007

Do you call your mom "mamma"? Probably not. Because you don't speak my language.

Then why the hell should you pronounce Graal as Grawl. If your not speaking french or any other language. When it obviously means GRAIL. In english.

It's a name of something. Names aren't supposed to be translated. Though often they have been in the past... in our modern-era people are generally more respectful to diversity and accept a name in it's original language to preserve its essence. I can think of some games that are OFFICIALLY translated to an english name for english-speaking players.
Graal offers NO official translated name. Nowhere on the website will you see it officially called "Grail".

I'll pronounce "Grail" as "Grail". But I'll pronounce "Graal" as "Graal" (grawl).
I don't know what your language is, but I'm speaking English.

Also, you were responding to a post where I was simply showing someone else's words. Notice the quotation marks. MY name isn't Kamuii.

[gemini2]

I personally pronounce it differently than either of that :O
'Graal' with the a's sounding like the 'a's in '-ack'
It sounds really weird to me if I say it any other way, seeing as I've always said it as 'Graal'. Makes no sense whatsoever but it sounds fine to me

This is my favourite definition of it though, lol:

Originally Posted by Dictionary

GRAAL
General Recursive Applicative and Algorithmic Language. FP with polyadic combinators. "Graal: A Functional Programming System with Uncurryfied Combinators and its Reduction Machine", P. Bellot in ESOP 86, G. Goos ed, LNCS 213, Springer 1986.

[James]

Just ask Microsoft Sam.

[xAzerothx]

When I sat Graal in my head because I'm a loser I say it like Grrrr-all.

[BigBear3]

Originally Posted by xAzerothx

When I sat Graal in my head because I'm a loser I say it like Grrrr-all.

Tony The Tiger?

[projectigi]

uh, germans can actually say "grail" too o.ô

[zephirot]

Graal.

[ChrizP2P]

Always said it like Grahl.. or Groal etc

[Horrified]

I know it's Grail, but I call it Grahl.

[Xterminator]

Originally Posted by xAzerothx

I wouldn't say let's play Graal to anyone in real life so I don't care how you say it.

Yea me too i wouldn't but i would say its grawl

[bscharff]

It really depends on personal preference.
If you translate it (like Laek2007 did), it's pronounced "Grayl."

Basically, people in the South (United States) would use more soft "a" 's, whereas Northerners would use more hard "a" 's.

I live in Texas and instead of saying "Yale University," people say "Y'all University."
North:South
Yale:Y'all
You All:Y'all
Goat:Gowht
etc.

[OasaTor_PK]

Greallyboringbutmildlyentertainingaal.

[ViperZakuto]

like i said potato or potahto

they are both right... there is no right or wrong.

[Xterminator]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

like i said potato or potahto

they are both right... there is no right or wrong.

Yea i guess as people pronounce it differently so there's no right or wrong

[Rapidwolve24]

I honestly don't think I've ever physically said it o-o, but I think its pronounced like Grail.

[oinknessx]

I call it MiniZelda

Originally Posted by ViperZakuta

like i said potato or potahto

they are both right... there is no right or wrong.

Tell that to dictionary.com's pronunciation of the word "potato".

"Potahto" isn't even in the dictionary.

[kia345]

Doesn't 'aa' normally make the 'ah' sound?

[Xterminator]

Originally Posted by kia345

Doesn't 'aa' normally make the 'ah' sound?

Uhm yes?

[Angel_Light]

Originally Posted by Xterminator

Uhm yes?

uhm no. Reference please?

[kia345]

My pocket Webster's Dictionary; it apparently makes a long ah sound

[Angel_Light]

a vowel after a vowel makes the first vowel strong. So Graal is pronounced like grail. See two vowels same concept. ;o

[oinknessx]

Originally Posted by Angel_Light

a vowel after a vowel makes the first vowel strong. So Graal is pronounced like grail. See two vowels same concept. ;o

Exactly. So the proper pronunciation would be "grail" and the proper spelling would be Grål.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by oinknessx

Tell that to dictionary.com's pronunciation of the word "potato".

"Potahto" isn't even in the dictionary.

tell that to all the english teachers...

po-tah-to is just the pronounciation not the word =)

Originally Posted by Angel_Light

a vowel after a vowel makes the first vowel strong. So Graal is pronounced like grail. See two vowels same concept. ;o

I found these

The long back vowel aa as in father, park, calm, path was deeper in the throat. The short vowel u as in cut was an unusual sound, hard to describe, not quite a neutral vowel, and very rare in the world's languages. In the modern form of RP these two vowels have shifted and are now effectively the long and short forms of the same ah vowel.

this was taken from http://everything2.com/index.pl?node...&lastnode_id=0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunc...ng_for_English
look at this site it says a like in father.

[Angel_Light]

it still is properly pronounced as potato, with the A being strong.

ALSO!!! Graal is derived from Grail. In the original Zelda Online/Graal Java program, you had to find the Magical Grails. Which Stefan when renaming Zelda Online had to thing of good title, Which he then transforms Grail into Graal.

[ViperZakuto]

when i quited you I wasn't talking about potato. I was talking about the AA is an ah sound, not a strong a. It even says it in those links... and a few others I found.

but Graal is not english it is french or something...

[Angel_Light]

it is French and if my years of french study are good it is Pronounced Grail with a french accent so it may be derived with ah sound, although it sounds more to me like "ale".

[ViperZakuto]

Pronunciation
IPA: /gʀɑl/

thats the pronunciation from wictionary in french. too bad i don't know french

[Angel_Light]

gr-ale-l

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

I have a feeling this thread can last a long time.
Better that it does rather than starting a new one every 3 months.
Also, someone once reported Stefan saying "grawl" is as close as you can get. Kind of a weird answer... and I didn't see Stefan himself comment on it... so who knows?
Just remember: it's not English. You don't pronounce writing in other languages in English if it's not in English. The confusion is that "Graal" is written similarly to "Grail". Don't let this confuse you. If "Grail" in another language were "Fruid" (I made up a word... i think), and Stefan decided to call this game "Fruid", why would you pronounce "Fruid" as "Grail"?
That's my logic here.