Zodiac, jailed for the escape button. - Page 3

xAndrewx · #81 12-09-2007, 06:18 PM

You're both wrong, the only thing that is wrong is the starting of the sentence.

DustyPorViva · #82 12-09-2007, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbkbud

You never told me when I was the Co-Manager. You're on fault for not even reporting it.

Anyway, I'm making a system that may work for you ...

If you're going to bother to correct someones spelling and grammar, please at least do it right.

Your own fault...

Crono · #83 12-09-2007, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

If you're going to bother to correct someones spelling and grammar, please at least do it right.

Your own fault...

I also thought this but "You are on fault" is correct too isn't it?

DustyPorViva · #84 12-09-2007, 06:47 PM

I guess it could be a stretch, but I doubt he meant that.

Inverness · #85 12-09-2007, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coreys

This is what I have on Maloria to check for connection problems:

PHP Code:


			
function onActionServerSide() {
  switch (params[0]) {
    //Echo back to clientside if connection works.
    case "serverecho":
      if ((params[2]-1) > 0)
        echo("System Lag: Account " @ params[1] @ " had a connection failure. (Tried " @ (params[2]-1) @ " times.)");
      triggerclient("weapon", name, "clientok", params[1]);
    break;
    /*
    Serverside lag detection to be completed later.
    case "serverok":
    break;*/
  }
}
//#CLIENTSIDE
function onCreated() {
  this.failcount = 0;
  this.timer = 0;
  client.noconnection = false;
  onTimeOut();
}
function onTimeOut() {
  this.failcount++;
  if (this.timer < 3) this.timer += .1;
  else {
    triggerserver("weapon", name, "serverecho", player.account, this.failcount);
    this.timer = 0;
  }
  if (this.failcount > 3) {
    if (this.failcount < 10)
      client.noconnection = true;
    else {
      this.failcount = 0;
      client.noconnection = false;
      serverWarp("login");
    }
  }
  else client.noconnection = false;
  setTimer(0.1);
}
function onActionClientSide() {
  if (player.account == params[1]) {
    switch (params[0]) {
      //Connection successful
      case "clientok":
        this.failcount = 0;
      break;
      /*
      Serverside lag detection to be completed later.
      case "clientecho":
      break;*/
    }
  }
}

Probably a better alternative. If client.noconnection is true, then don't do any processes, like damage detection, movement, etc.

Since when did scripts process while the ESC menu was open?

There is really no way to detect a window open for 0.05 seconds unless Graal tells you.

xXziroXx · #86 12-09-2007, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

i just don't take bull**** i suppose

Only weak minded people do, Andrew. Anyways, I think your jailing idea was good, but it could have been done better, like... 2 warnings before you get jailed (all handled automaticly by the system) and then only the person escape glitching should be jailed, and the everyone in the party (including the glitcher) should have an experience penalty.

Oh well, bottom line is, I think your idea was good - just not the performance.

Rapidwolve24 · #87 12-09-2007, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

just not the performance.

*Snickers*

BigBear3 · #88 12-09-2007, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapidwolve24

*Snickers*

Rapidwolve = Best Zodiac Staff ever.

Crono · #89 12-09-2007, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

only the person escape glitching should be jailed, and the everyone in the party (including the glitcher) should have an experience penalty.

...no. If me and some guys decide to party it up, and I'm working my ass off, then some party member decides to esc while just sitting in the corner and not even doing anything, I should not be punished.

cbk1994 · #90 12-09-2007, 08:26 PM

Code for Weapon/Gui-Script -System/Lag:

PHP Code:


			
//#CLIENTSIDE
function onCreated()
{
  setTimer( 0.1 ); // Start the timeout
}
function onTimeOut()
{
  client.serverLast = serverr.real_time; // Set the time we think it is
  setTimer( 0.1 ); // Repeat the timeout
}

Code for wNPC LagSystem:

PHP Code:


			
function onCreated()
{
  setTimer( .1 ); // Start the timeout
}
function onTimeOut()
{
  serverr.real_time = timevar2; // Set the real time
  setTimer( .1 ); // Repeat the timeout
}

Code for script class_lag:

PHP Code:


			
public function isPlayerLagging( acc, a ) // acc = account, a = margin for lagging; default is 1
{
  temp.i = findPlayer( acc ); // Find the player
  if ( temp.i == NULL ) // Player not online
  {
    return true; // No player, must be lagging!
  }
  if ( a < 0 || a == NULL ) // If a is less than zero, or not set
  {
    a = 1; // Set it to 1, which is the default
  }
  // Is it in the correct margin?
  return ! ( temp.i.client.serverLast in | serverr.real_time - a, serverr.real_time  | );
}
public function isLagging( lag, a ) // lag = client.serverLast, a = margin for lagging; default is 1
{
  if ( a < 0 || a == NULL ) // If a is less than zero, or not set
  {
    a = 1; // Set it to 1, which is the default
  }
  // Is it in the correct margin?
  return ! ( lag in | serverr.real_time - a, serverr.real_time | );
}

This could be used to simply kick people out if they're 1 second behind, which, really, if you're doing it in under a second, you really don't have enough time to abuse the glitch (I'm assuming the monster would attack you while you just stood there, and party members would kill them while you were on escape?).

I did test this, and it did work. Also worked with stopping modem taping.

Inverness · #91 12-09-2007, 08:32 PM

Uh, yes you do have time to abuse the glitch if the window is open for a fraction of a second.

xXziroXx · #92 12-09-2007, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami

...no. If me and some guys decide to party it up, and I'm working my ass off, then some party member decides to esc while just sitting in the corner and not even doing anything, I should not be punished.

If the experience is earned in an "illegal" way, it should be removed - no?

cbk1994 · #93 12-09-2007, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inverness

Uh, yes you do have time to abuse the glitch if the window is open for a fraction of a second.

Well, it could probably be made possible so it kept track of your average lag (I made a script for this), and then if it was significantly different than the average from four pings ago, then shut 'em down for a bit, etc.

Crono · #94 12-09-2007, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

If the experience is earned in an "illegal" way, it should be removed - no?

'Cept the "abuser" is just sitting there not doing anything.

xXziroXx · #95 12-09-2007, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami

'Cept the "abuser" is just sitting there not doing anything.

We had the same problem back on Maloria, people partied up and one of them went into "aggro range" of a baddy, thus making it attacking him, then they pushed Esc to not get hit by the baddy, who kept attacking him nonstop.

Basicly..

Person A aggros the mob, while Person B kills it without getting attacked.

Laek2007 · #96 12-09-2007, 10:15 PM

I think this is a good Idea.

There is no reason what so ever to push esc in a dungeon on Zodiac.

It might be controversial in the begining but after time people will accept this.

Inverness · #97 12-09-2007, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbkbud

Well, it could probably be made possible so it kept track of your average lag (I made a script for this), and then if it was significantly different than the average from four pings ago, then shut 'em down for a bit, etc.

I told you, the window opens and closes so fast that its not detectable.

Edit: Depending on the system that is. Also, you must first test if your system can handle 100+ players.

cbk1994 · #98 12-09-2007, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laek2007

There is no reason what so ever to push esc in a dungeon on Zodiac.

That's what you think.

Inverness · #99 12-09-2007, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbkbud

That's what you think.

No, thats fact, if you're going to logout, leave the dungeon first or use Alt+F4.

xAndrewx · #**100** 12-09-2007, 10:38 PM

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cbk1994 · #**101** 12-09-2007, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inverness

No, thats fact, if you're going to logout, leave the dungeon first or use Alt+F4.

Why not press escape to log out? There's nothing wrong with it? Should I be punished for using a feature of the game, even though not abusing?

xAndrewx · #**102** 12-10-2007, 12:10 AM

The log was what I found in my bin, i quit.

Crono · #**103** 12-10-2007, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

We had the same problem back on Maloria, people partied up and one of them went into "aggro range" of a baddy, thus making it attacking him, then they pushed Esc to not get hit by the baddy, who kept attacking him nonstop.

Basicly..

Person A aggros the mob, while Person B kills it without getting attacked.

Yeah but I'm talking about a case where the person who pressed esc has nothing to do at all with anything. He's just sitting in the corner alone and presses it. The whole party would have been jailed.

Twinny · #**104** 12-10-2007, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbkbud

You're on fault for not even reporting it.

You are on fault? Nice try, eggbert.

Anyhoo if the damage was done serverside then this shouldn't be much of a problem... Kill the player serverside and the baddy should move on regardless of if the player's client is frozen. When he unfreezes, the events should catch up and he should be killed. Freezing your client shouldn't stop serverside processing on your player.

But I know from expierence that most of the Zodiac's combat system was done clientside.... Many, many patches.... You make the fix, Andrew...Don't make players suffer for your lack of ingenuity. Don't be lazy now.

Inverness · #**105** 12-10-2007, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbkbud

Why not press escape to log out? There's nothing wrong with it? Should I be punished for using a feature of the game, even though not abusing?

Yes there is something wrong with it, it stops all script processing and Graal itself, which is abusable and will be eventually fixed by Stefan. There are no excuses so stop trying to make one. Just because a game has a feature doesn't mean its not abusable.

There is also no way for Zodiac to tell if you're using ESC to abuse or not, so just save yourself the trouble and either leave the dungeon or use Alt+F4 to quit Graal. If you want to be persistent, go ahead and use it and receive the punishment that comes with it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twinny

<snip>

I asked Yen about doing the stuff serverside and he went on to say about how there are too many calculations to be doing it 4 times a second or so for all the players and that it would cause too many CPU problems with all the zodiac players.

xAndrewx · #**106** 12-10-2007, 12:57 AM

that, and I quit two days ago D:

coreys · #**107** 12-10-2007, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

that, and I quit two days ago D:

Oh snap. I guess this means another new manager for Zodiac. Stranger danger!

xAndrewx · #**108** 12-10-2007, 01:12 AM

No, I was the Co-Manager.

cbk1994 · #**109** 12-10-2007, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

Yes there is something wrong with it, it stops all script processing and Graal itself, which is abusable and will be eventually fixed by Stefan. There are no excuses so stop trying to make one. Just because a game has a feature doesn't mean its not abusable.

There is also no way for Zodiac to tell if you're using ESC to abuse or not, so just save yourself the trouble and either leave the dungeon or use Alt+F4 to quit Graal. If you want to be persistent, go ahead and use it and receive the punishment that comes with it.

I asked Yen about doing the stuff serverside and he went on to say about how there are too many calculations to be doing it 4 times a second or so for all the players and that it would cause too many CPU problems with all the zodiac players.

Nothing is wrong with using the escape menu. If you want it disabled, talk to Stefan. I'll keep using it; It's what I always use. And I'll use it in the dungeons on Zodiac as well.

So long as it's not abused, there is nothing wrong with it!

xAndrewx · #**110** 12-10-2007, 01:18 AM

Only use it if you wanna quit then

cbk1994 · #**111** 12-10-2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Only use it if you wanna quit then

Finally someone who understands!

xAndrewx · #**112** 12-10-2007, 01:25 AM

you do know how the detection works? i think you don't get it tbh

cbk1994 · #**113** 12-10-2007, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

you do know how the detection works? i think you don't get it tbh

I'm assuming the onKeyPressed event is called after they cancel it?

I only said what I said because they wanted to remove the escape menu completely.

DustyPorViva · #**114** 12-10-2007, 01:39 AM

The escape key is just... odd, and more effort than needed to use when there are two simpler ways to close a program.

If he adds a way to not make it freeze scripts then okay, but otherwise I think people can live without it. Maybe he'll make it another way to open the serverlist :P

cbk1994 · #**115** 12-10-2007, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

The escape key is just... odd, and more effort than needed to use when there are two simpler ways to close a program.

If he adds a way to not make it freeze scripts then okay, but otherwise I think people can live without it. Maybe he'll make it another way to open the serverlist :P

Yes, because we need like 4 ways to open the serverlist

1. F1
2. F8
3. Taskbar
4. ESC key

DustyPorViva · #**116** 12-10-2007, 01:57 AM

Hence the sarcasm.

Inverness · #**117** 12-10-2007, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cbkbud

I only said what I said because they wanted to remove the escape menu completely.

Uh no, Stefan mentioned making it scripted or so.

Rufus · #**118** 12-10-2007, 02:35 AM

I'm not sure as I haven't tried it specifically on Zodiac, but doesn't the Windows title bar and task bar have the same 'freezing' effect on the client when it is right clicked too?

James · #**119** 12-10-2007, 03:35 AM

Why does it have to be so complex? I think it's been said already, the player should just be killed if they press ESC while in the dungeon, or even warped back to the osl with an experience penalty; -5% of their current experience perhaps.

The whole party shouldn't be punished for another players actions either. It makes no logical sense at all.

xAndrewx · #**120** 12-10-2007, 06:31 PM

What you've just said makes no logical sense at all.
We'll remove the EXP that only one person in the party gained and we'll also kill him ! we won't remove the EXP from the people that helped kill the monster, and we won't kill them either !
Please, if you're going to post, KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.