Dragonhide gloves poll

[ViperZakuto]

this is just a poll not a discussion. You have 7 days to vote then it will be closed. If you wanna discuss go here.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=77634

[Tigairius]

Make the poll public zz

[Crimson2005]

Vote AC+1

[Sam]

AC+1 armor +5 resist fire+15 resist cold -10 would be the stats I can live with.

[Crimson2005]

Originally Posted by Sam

AC+1 armor +5 resist fire+15 resist cold -10 would be the stats I can live with.

AC+1, Speed+1, Armor+5, Resist fire+15, Resist cold-15

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Crimson2005

AC+1, Speed+1, Armor+5, Resist fire+15, Resist cold-15

Yes of course I forgot the speed +1

[Pimmeh]

WC.
Who cares about AC? Just hit harder and faster!

(Yes I have no idea what Im talking about

[Crimson2005]

Originally Posted by Pimmeh

WC.
Who cares about AC? Just hit harder and faster!

(Yes I have no idea what Im talking about

If you have high phys then gloves which boost your WC by quite a bit kind of become obsolete.

And stop voting WC if they had that they'd basically be serpents.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by Pimmeh

WC.
Who cares about AC? Just hit harder and faster!

(Yes I have no idea what Im talking about

Hitting harder or faster won't really make a difference if the enemies AC is high enough for you to not be able to successfully penetrate. You'll maybie hit the occassional 1, but thats quickly made negligable when you look at respawn rates. AC is the smarter choice for a high phys player, wc is only needed up to a certain point (70+ phys?).

Originally Posted by Crimson2005

And stop voting WC if they had that they'd basically be serpents.

They can vote for whatever they want, don't try and make the poll bias.

[Crimson2005]

Well they should know the facts before voting!

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by Crimson2005

Well they should know the facts before voting!

Just because one is ignorant or nieve, doesn't mean they should not have the right to choose w/o you or anyone else forcing them to vote. If they want to discuss this topic or wish to learn more about it, the link is clearly given.

[Tigairius]

It is not fair to make Dragonhide gloves (which are cheaper) more powerful than Baker's gloves. Baker's gloves used to cost 35 event coins to create, and all it does is attuned:creation and ac+1, not to mention you can not create Baker's gloves anymore, so they are rarer than Dragonhide gloves. Dragonhide gloves are are only 17 EC to create, so why should they have better stats? They shouldn't. They are cheap for a reason. If you look at all of the gloves that have been craftable: Baker's gloves (35 EC), Ancaria gloves (40 EC), and then Dragonhide gloves (17 EC), aren't they drastically cheaper from the other gloves? Yes, because they do not give as many advantages as the other items... Where is your logical thinking? I do not see it any where in this thread. I think you just want to make your items more powerful so you have a better advantage over other people. Those are the stats of the item, deal with it, or sell it for another item.

I don't think this needs to be discussed any more. The gloves should remain how they are.

[Crimson2005]

Then up the ammount of ECs to create Dragonhides. Problem solved.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Crimson2005

Then up the ammount of ECs to create Dragonhides. Problem solved.

Then the new stats shouldn't be put on the Dragonhide gloves that people already have, only the new ones that are created in the event shop, otherwise it's still unfair to people who purchased other gloves in the event shop.

[Felix_Xenophobe]

Sounds like another Shield of the moon vs dusty/pirate shield.
I vote AC+1

[Crimson2005]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Then the new stats shouldn't be put on the Dragonhide gloves that people already have, only the new ones that are created in the event shop, otherwise it's still unfair to people who purchased other gloves in the event shop.

What other people? I don't know anyone else who has them apart from me and conqueror. And they were meant to be a prize so they should hve decent stats.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Crimson2005

What other people? I don't know anyone else who has them apart from me and conqueror. And they were meant to be a prize so they should hve decent stats.

I do not know every single person's items, so I do not know who else has them, but I know there are some people that do have them. They were not a grand prize, they were second place, so they do not have to have as nice stats. They are a cheaper event item, the rarity and value of event items is the single thing that barely keeps GK's economy working semi-functionally. There should be no debate about adding another stat to the gloves, I think this vote should be closed/ignored.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Then the new stats shouldn't be put on the Dragonhide gloves that people already have, only the new ones that are created in the event shop, otherwise it's still unfair to people who purchased other gloves in the event shop.

I kinda agree that it, maybie make it like old dragonhides are with the same stats, new dragonhides are with improved stats but cost more. Sorry Xaphan but if this did happen, your dragonhides wouldn't be improved as they were released before the change...

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

I kinda agree that it, maybie make it like old dragonhides are with the same stats, new dragonhides are with improved stats but cost more. Sorry Xaphan but if this did happen, your dragonhides wouldn't be improved as they were released before the change...

Xaphan's have the right to get upgraded he worked hard in the event to win them he didin't idle in the trade all day waiting to buy event coins.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by cyan3

Xaphan's have the right to get upgraded he worked hard in the event to win them he didin't idle in the trade all day waiting to buy event coins.

He didn't work hard in the event, it was a matter of digging up 2 bury bags... If you trade for the items they should be more powerful since you actually have to give some of your very own items up just to get them. The fact of the matter is, Dragonhide gloves shouldn't be improved. Part of winning an event is accepting the prize as it is, you can't exchange it.

[ViperZakuto]

yeah but who is gonna buy them at the price they are? They are just a waste of space in the ec shop as it is. Make them 35 ec's and add ac+1.

If you don't make people happy in this game... Then nobody will play it. Seems 75 percent of people agree it needs something else.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

yeah but who is gonna buy them at the price they are? They are just a waste of space in the ec shop as it is. Make them 35 ec's and add ac+1.

If you don't make people happy in this game... Then nobody will play it. Seems 75 percent of people agree it needs something else.

Yeah, because everyone knows that people are going to quit because Dragonhide gloves don't have ac+1.
News flash: You don't have to buy them.

[Darklux]

Afaik you have got them as gift after an Event, so you should really let it be.
Yet ac+1 for 15 ec sounds reasonable.

[Googi]

Speed+1 isn't bad for gloves. It makes them not much worse than Archer's which used to cost quite a few event coins when they were available.

[ViperZakuto]

archers are way more powerful than dragonhide gloves.
Dex+1 Speed+2, or Speed+1 Dex +2.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Yeah, because everyone knows that people are going to quit because Dragonhide gloves don't have ac+1.
News flash: You don't have to buy them.

Did I say people were going to quit cause of dragonhide? I said keep the majority of the people happy or they will quit. Stop twisting my words you arrogant fool.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

Did I say people were going to quit cause of dragonhide? I said keep the majority of the people happy or they will quit. Stop twisting my words you arrogant fool.

Don't call me an arrogant fool just because you're ignorant to the fact that you don't know what makes everyone happy on GK. Just because Dragonhide gloves don't have AC+1 doesn't mean it will make people unhappy and cause them to quit. There is no reason to try to insult me and act so rude. You are just siding with the majority, like most people, and you aren't actually thinking things through, and I know this because if you were actually thinking clearly you would stop and realize that adding AC+1 just because someone wants it, isn't a good reason. I have not seen one valid reason to add AC+1 to these gloves yet, but please, when someone has one, let me know. You win an event, you deal with the prize: You don't have to win anything at all.
The saddest part of this whole discussion is the fact that it seems like with this community everyone sides with the thing that is liked the most, and a lot of people are afraid to step out side of the box and take a look around. You can't just add on stats to an item (that's SUPPOSED to be a cheap item) just because someone wants to. There is a reason the stats aren't as nice as the other gloves, because if all the gloves had such nice stats, none of them would be more valuable than each other and it would break the economy. It's not really fair that anyone should just get stats added on their items, especially a prize. When you win a contest in real life, it's common courtesy not to turn around and say "ew, can you give me some more please?" It is a prize. It's not a payment. Stop complaining about the stats, they don't need to be changed.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

archers are way more powerful than dragonhide gloves.
Dex+1 Speed+2, or Speed+1 Dex +2.

Speed+1 Dex+2, but they were more than twice the price in ECs.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

A bunch of useless rambling...

Your twisting my words again. The community is what keeps gk going... am I right or am I wrong? So why is the playercount at 20-30 max compared to 100 max like before... Because the staff did not listen to the community. They did what they thought was best for it. In the end most everybody quit. So you need to stop and think.

How long does a dictatorship last nowadays? Seems like dictatorships get overthrown. If you treat it more of a democracy, then you do whats right for the community. I'm not saying do everything the comunity says to do. Just listen, and do accordingly.

How is ac+1 gonna crash the whole community? Bakers may go down in price a bit. In my opinion, bakers are way overpriced for just AC+1 and creation.

Originally Posted by Googi

Speed+1 Dex+2, but they were more than twice the price in ECs.

Dex +2 is a lot more than speed +1 in itself.(look at MSoG) How does that make them not much better than archers? They totally suck. Look at speed ammy, It totally kicks the ass of Dragonhides... but speed ammy is 5 EC's cheaper. With the stats it has now it should cost around 8-10 EC's literally.

[Sheen_the_mage]

I vote wc+1
Why?
Some people have enough defence as it is and the speed n' attack makes up for the lack of added deffence.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

Your twisting my words again. The community is what keeps gk going... am I right or am I wrong? So why is the playercount at 20-30 max compared to 100 max like before... Because the staff did not listen to the community. They did what they thought was best for it. In the end most everybody quit. So you need to stop and think.

How long does a dictatorship last nowadays? Seems like dictatorships get overthrown. If you treat it more of a democracy, then you do whats right for the community. I'm not saying do everything the comunity says to do. Just listen, and do accordingly.

How is ac+1 gonna crash the whole community? Bakers may go down in price a bit. In my opinion, bakers are way overpriced for just AC+1 and creation.



Dex +2 is a lot more than speed +1 in itself.(look at MSoG) How does that make them not much better than archers? They totally suck. Look at speed ammy, It totally kicks the ass of Dragonhides... but speed ammy is 5 EC's cheaper. With the stats it has now it should cost around 8-10 EC's literally.

I am not twisting your words. No, the community is NOT what keeps GK going, the economy is. The community is only made up of about 20 people, most of which don't get along with each other. You have NO idea why people don't play GK anymore, but I assure you, it's not because people asked for stats to be added on to items and didn't get it. Quit trying to get an upper hand in this conversation because you are just sending a bunch of half-incoherent ideas that haven't even been thought-out. Everything you're saying is opinion after opinion after opinion, quite dumb opinions as well, in my opinion. It's not going to crash the whole community, but it will help. Have not NOT read the list of reasons why there shouldn't be anything added on to those gloves? Apparently not, or you just can't understand English. DRAGON HIDES ARE CHEAP GLOVES; THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CHEAP AND THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE CRAPPY STATS, NOW DEAL WITH IT!

[MajinDragon]

Dragonhides suck just a bit too much, so adding another stat like AC+1 would be nice, however, adding stats just because people have requested it is not the way to go. Yes, dictatorships never last, but this is not the same as an actual dictatorship. Staff don't usually meet the demands of the players, even when a vote is held, because the players don't always know what is best for the server, and usually never fully understand the pro's n con's, consequences etc.

I would only support the addition of +1AC to dragonhide gloves, if it means that all dragonhide gloves released before the change will remain as they are. The new dragonhide gloves would be avaliable in stores for a higher cost than they are now, i'd say 40EC's because of their usefulness, even with the side-effect (-15 cold resist). I don't agree with you felix, they shouldn't be upgraded, he won them without AC/WC additions, so they should remain like that, otherwise it would be unfair to anyone who (was crazy enough) purchased them at the time. Remember, EC's take time to gather so don't they deserve it as much as Xaphan?

Originally Posted by Tigairius

DRAGON HIDES ARE CHEAP GLOVES; THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CHEAP AND THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE CRAPPY STATS, NOW DEAL WITH IT!

I propose a new dragonhide glove, more expensive and maybie rarer. Red/Blue Dragonhide Gloves, one with AC+1 and the other with WC+1 (both still with the original dragonhide glove stats just with these additions).

Keeping with the red/blue dragon item themes, the red one would have +15fire and -15 cold resists and vise versa for the blue. The choice of which recieves the AC bonus or the WC is up to you.

These might be in the EC shop, at 40-50EC's each, or just be released as rares for events.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

I propose a new dragonhide glove, more expensive and maybie rarer. Red/Blue Dragonhide Gloves, one with AC+1 and the other with WC+1 (both still with the original dragonhide glove stats just with these additions).

Keeping with the red/blue dragon item themes, the red one would have +15fire and -15 cold resists and vise versa for the blue. The choice of which recieves the AC bonus or the WC is up to you.

These might be in the EC shop, at 40-50EC's each, or just be released as rares for events.

I could live with NEW dragonhide gloves, as long as the people who have them currently don't suddenly get a stat that will raise the price of their item by more than 500 diamonds. I will see about making red and blue dragonscale gloves; however, if they are even released people with Dragonhide gloves will not get them unless they work for them and get the EC or win an event.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

I could live with NEW dragonhide gloves, as long as the people who have them currently don't suddenly get a stat that will raise the price of their item by more than 500 diamonds. I will see about making red and blue dragonscale gloves; however, if they are even released people with Dragonhide gloves will not get them unless they work for them and get the EC or win an event.

I'm sure the cuurent dragonhide owners won't see any kind of increase in stats, this would after all be completely different pair of items.

I wouldn't have it any other way.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

I am not twisting your words. No, the community is NOT what keeps GK going, the economy is. The community is only made up of about 20 people, most of which don't get along with each other. You have NO idea why people don't play GK anymore, but I assure you, it's not because people asked for stats to be added on to items and didn't get it. Quit trying to get an upper hand in this conversation because you are just sending a bunch of half-incoherent ideas that haven't even been thought-out. Everything you're saying is opinion after opinion after opinion, quite dumb opinions as well, in my opinion. It's not going to crash the whole community, but it will help. Have not NOT read the list of reasons why there shouldn't be anything added on to those gloves? Apparently not, or you just can't understand English. DRAGON HIDES ARE CHEAP GLOVES; THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CHEAP AND THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE CRAPPY STATS, NOW DEAL WITH IT!

Your still twisting my words. =/ I said people quit because the grall staff didn't listen to the community. Community is what keeps gk goin. If there was no community, then there would be no gk.

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

I propose a new dragonhide glove, more expensive and maybie rarer. Red/Blue Dragonhide Gloves, one with AC+1 and the other with WC+1 (both still with the original dragonhide glove stats just with these additions).

Keeping with the red/blue dragon item themes, the red one would have +15fire and -15 cold resists and vise versa for the blue. The choice of which recieves the AC bonus or the WC is up to you.

These might be in the EC shop, at 40-50EC's each, or just be released as rares for events.

This idea rocks. 40-50 EC's is a bit much I would say 30-35 EC's each.

[Ravenblade1979]

Tig..i have to say one thing.

Community=economy
no community=no economy

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

Your still twisting my words. =/ I said people quit because the grall staff didn't listen to the community. Community is what keeps gk goin. If there was no community, then there would be no gk.



This idea rocks. 40-50 EC's is a bit much I would say 30-35 EC's each.

I am not twisting your words. It's annoying you keep saying the same thing. It makes me think you don't even have a valid point to prove.

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Tig..i have to say one thing.

Community=economy
no community=no economy

thats how it works on GK..the community is made up of members who set prices on items and that generates the economy that we now have.

Wrong:
A Community is a group of people living in a particular local area, or striving in the same area, but that does not automatically mean they share the same economy. The economics of the local area is a completely separate thing from the actual community, however they are most commonly closely linked together. There are some communities in Africa where they live in the same area, but each tribe has a completely different economy. There are also enclaves in the USA such as "China Town" for who don't want to lose their Chinese culture upon moving to America, and they use the Chinese currency. Those are two examples of how economics and community are separate. Anyone who has a basic understanding of world economics would understand this concept.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

I am not twisting your words. It's annoying you keep saying the same thing. It makes me think you don't even have a valid point to prove.


Wrong:
A Community is a group of people living in a particular local area, or striving in the same area, but that does not automatically mean they share the same economy. The economics of the local area is a completely separate thing from the actual community, however they are most commonly closely linked together. There are some communities in Africa where they live in the same area, but each tribe has a completely different economy. There are also enclaves in the USA such as "China Town" for who don't want to lose their Chinese culture upon moving to America, and they use the Chinese currency. Those are two examples of how economics and community are separate. Anyone who has a basic understanding of world economics would understand this concept.

yeah but GK is not seperate communities. It is one in itself. You said I said people will quit if they don't change dragonhide stats. I just said people will quit if you don't listen to your community. So stop putting words in my mouth. Just because you understand economics... doesn't mean you know whats best for the community. Economics is a theory in itself. Just becauser the book said thats the way it should go doesn't mean it's going to go that way. If you understand economics as well as i do... you should know that yourself.

[Tigairius]

GK is a fixed economy that's gone out of control. Even if only ONE person played, there would still be an economy due to people be able to sell things to the shop. You cannot decide whether or not GK is separate communities, everyone who plays has to decide that. I only said what I thought you were implying, I did not twist your words. Oh, and now you're the one saying "doesn't mean it's going to go that way?" That's what I've been trying to tell you the entire time.

[FenixTheBanished]

Tig I typically completely agree with you in most cases, but right now about the comment that GK is about the community is correct. The reaosn we had 100+ people on back in the day was because of the people around. GK itself is more boring than World of Warcraft which is a huge disgrace in itself. I only came back to GK in hope to find friends and thats the only reason that I am still playing. Yeah, mayb Morgan, and a couple others are still playing because of the economy, but thats because theyve hoarded all the items and are just trying to make money. The reason why we had so many players is because the people enjoied playing with their friends, not because of the economy. Concerning the fact that Dragonhide should have AC I agree. If youre going to call them dragonhides then they need to add some type of armor because mythically, Dragons scales and skin is almost impentrable, therefore just in the name alone it goes well. Asking to have +1ac isnt that much you guys, just do it. And the staff NEED to listen to the players. Why? Because we're the ones playing and if we are asking something reasonable then it needs to get done, typically we dont ask much. Thats my 2c neways. Oh and the reason why most people dont like eachother is because theres not enough people to call friends, acquaintences, and then enemies. You need a larger player count to have that. Personally I only dislike one person and just the people who are Trials in general because they dont pay for the game like we do. neways. Add +1ac. In the event that I won Amadola theres a HUGE gap inbetween the value of the two items from 1st place to 2nd. I think it needs to be addressed.