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Angel_Light · #76 10-10-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345

Is Graal the only game you play? Look at all those free MMORPGs out there that also have free forums. The ones that look and play better than Graal. They're not looking for income, so why should Graal?

No MMORPG are free, it always costs money they just recieve there revenue somewhere else as in advertisement or a certain game (Which will remain uname due to forum rules) which has a cash shop players can buy stuff from.

kia345 · #77 10-10-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel_Light

No MMORPG are free, it always costs money they just recieve there revenue somewhere else as in advertisement or a certain game (Which will remain uname due to forum rules) which has a cash shop players can buy stuff from.

Don't talk just to see your own text.

Sure, there are cash shops on free MMORPGs, but the initial payment for the main benefits is free, and even using said cash shops won't give you any benefits like, oh, I don't know, forums. There are lots of decent MMORPGs out there that are free but feature optional cash shops. Besides, it's not like they're all saying "30 bucks yearly please" and then coming up with lame excuses as to why.

I think this is why we can't talk about other games, because there are free ones out there.

Twinny · #78 10-10-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel_Light

which has a cash shop players can buy stuff from.

Which seems to be the direct Unixmad and Stefan are taking Graal in now.

kia345 · #79 10-10-2007, 02:13 PM

That would be ok, but the game itself costs money, so why should we be paying for 20 different things just to enjoy it to it's fullest?

Googi · #80 10-10-2007, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345

Besides, it's not like they're all saying "30 bucks yearly please" and then coming up with lame excuses as to why.

You're making it sound like having a subscription system is rare, when most of the big MMORPGs charge subscription fees.

Crono · #81 10-10-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi

You're making it sound like having a subscription system is rare, when most of the big MMORPGs charge subscription fees.

Most MMORPG's dont rely on customers to pay the company to develop content for them.

Darlene159 · #82 10-10-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Most MMORPG's dont rely on customers to pay the company to develop content for them.

Making content is one of the things that make Graal unique. It's one of the reasons I am still here today.

Crono · #83 10-10-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Making content is one of the things that make Graal unique. It's one of the reasons I am still here today.

It RELYS on us for content though. There's a difference.

Once upon a time CJ actually tried manage their servers, adding quality content and such. Now it's just us. Zone was originally playermade and revived by Stefan (i think Jagen helped a bit when he was a global or something) so it doesn't really count in my opinion, and GK is dead.

Admins · #84 10-10-2007, 10:01 PM

Actually there are many big games which don't run a forum at all. On Graal the forums are also some part of the support, which costs money.

Gerami, Graal by itself is currently not making a lot of money, please stop discussions about such things, it's just lame.

kia345 · #85 10-10-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Actually there are many big games which don't run a forum at all. On Graal the forums are also some part of the support, which costs money.

GPotato is home to 7+ games, all free with optional cash shops, and each game has it's own free forums.

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Gerami, Graal by itself is currently not making a lot of money, please stop discussions about such things, it's just lame.

But that fact is you're trying to use it as a means to make money.

xXziroXx · #86 10-10-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Actually there are many big games which don't run a forum at all. On Graal the forums are also some part of the support, which costs money.

Gerami, Graal by itself is currently not making a lot of money, please stop discussions about such things, it's just lame.

Stefan, can you PLEASE at least answer one question for me? Why can't Classic accounts AT LEAST post on the Classic playerworld forums?

Darlene159 · #87 10-10-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

It RELYS on us for content though. There's a difference.

Uh, They could make their own content, then those of us who actually enjoy it wouldn't be able to, or be able to buy server space to make our own, and I would probably leave. I don't agree with you at all.

kia345 · #88 10-10-2007, 10:49 PM

But are they making their own things? No. Look at Zone thriving off Sayian's gfx (or at least they did). Look at GK having people like Raven doing levels for free. All the servers people play are ran by players who aren't being paid to develop for Graal.

Darlene159 · #89 10-10-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345

But are they making their own things? No. Look at Zone thriving off Sayian's gfx (or at least they did). Look at GK having people like Raven doing levels for free. All the servers people play are ran by players who aren't being paid to develop for Graal.

Those people do not have to do it. They can say no. Believe it or not, there are quite a few people who actually enjoy doing development work a lot. I know I am not the only one....

Admins · #90 10-10-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345

all free with optional cash shops, and each game has it's own free forums.

It's like comparing apples with bananas. The fact is that you don't get far without buying items, the items sometimes cost more than real life items (15€ for sun glasses?) and the forums are quite a mess in my opinion, the german forums are 95 percent full of complains about lag and bugs.

Once we change Graal more to be based on item selling then we probably need to change the forum access somehow, at least give access to everyone who bought an item in the last few months or so. Right now it is not an option though.