S-TAB using a hack?

DutchGuy · #1 09-27-2007, 10:10 PM

Hi i would like to know if the S-TAB function is a hack or not?
on a server called Graal Legacy i was kicked off the server with the reason of using a illegal program.
When i came on again i was accused of using a auto clicker or something by Darknations_Staff (Mid chill)
as much as i convinced him that i was using the S-Tab function which has been around forever (it makes you swing fast...using S once then keep tab pressed). in graal legacy you need to slash barrels a 1000 times to get 250rupees.
So i was just smart enough to use the S-Tab function.
he then went crying bout me using a hack and that it wasnt possible to use the S-tab function. Till he saw it with his own eyes, and used it himself.

He then changed the whole subject to Glitch using (to not make him look stupid in others eyes, because there were 3 others in the room

). He kept on trying to blame me on something, while i used a normal graal function.

So question: is it a glitch or a hack? or is it normal.

Crono · #2 09-27-2007, 10:25 PM

It's really just glitch abuse.

Kirble · #3 09-27-2007, 10:40 PM

As above, it is just glitch abuse.

I mean it is at the servers liking to disable this function, the resident scripter should easily be able to disable this function as many other worlds have, therefore, it can be jail-able if used, but a script which stops the use of it is still at the discretion of the server staff.

Ravenblade1979 · #4 09-27-2007, 10:45 PM

But it wasn't disabled and thereby wasn't glitch abuse. I too have seen other servers with it disabled. If they wanted so badly they could have just disabled it right from the start. Its unfair that the original poster didn't know till after the fact.

DutchGuy · #5 09-27-2007, 10:51 PM

i was warned for glitch abuse, because at the time the gp chief just changed the fact from using hackign tools to glitch abuse.
while instead he should be happy for me pointing out i used the s-tab function.
he used it aswell. Therefor i shouldnt be warned for glitch abuse.
as a gp chiefs job is to aware the whole server for not glitch abusing with the s-tab function, the fact he didnt do this makes me think its not glitch abusing as he left the case as it is. he didnt mass the server saying the S-TAB function is a glitch and jailable.

as the scripter didnt disable this function. It should be free to use as long as it is possible.

Kirble · #6 09-27-2007, 10:52 PM

Ahh yes, well, if you did get jailed or banned for this it would be an idea to look for the server rules...

Oh wait, I was told yesterday "They aren't up yet.", So in this case, the Graal Code of Conduct does not state that using a Tab + S function in order to swing a sword faster is an accountable glitch, otherwise it would have been eliminated in the Graal version, right?

Wrong, it states that any use of a glitch which gains any sort of advantage over another player is considered "glitch abuse", now don't quote me on this as I'm pulling this from memory, but it would still have been stated in the Graal Code of Conduct that using a glitch is against the rules, hence the server did have the right to jail you, even though they didn't disable the function.

Please, someone correct me if the above isn't stated in any way in the Graal Code of Conduct, I do not guarantee that I am 100% right.

Blitz_Hunter · #7 09-27-2007, 11:04 PM

Abusing a glitch I guess, not really a hack.

cyan3 · #8 09-27-2007, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Blitz_Hunter

Abusing a glitch I guess, not really a hack.

It's a glitch he's using a bug in the Graal Client for an advantage over other players.

Blitz_Hunter · #9 09-27-2007, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cyan3

It's a glitch he's using a bug in the Graal Client for an advantage over other players.

Yes, but it's not a hack. He asked if it was a glitch or a hack, or just normal.

DustyPorViva · #10 09-27-2007, 11:23 PM

I'd say it's glitch abuse. If they choose not to fix it and instead punish those who abuse it, that's their decision. It might be more work to try to moderate the abuse of it rather than fixing it, but again, that's their decision.

I rule I've generally learned over the past years of playing games online.
If it's too good to be true, it probably is. So don't do it.

Also, I think it should be servers choice to say what's a glitch abuse and what's not. After all, each server has their own scripts and thus their own personal script has its own potential to be abused in some way that they must keep track of.

Rufus · #11 09-27-2007, 11:26 PM

Y HACK? caps

kia345 · #12 09-28-2007, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DutchGuy

he used it aswell.

I'd contact the manager about that GP Chief anyways, that wouldn't be the only time he's broken a rule with someone and punished the other guys

Inverness · #13 09-28-2007, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kia345

I'd contact the manager about that GP Chief anyways, that wouldn't be the only time he's broken a rule with someone and punished the other guys

That sounds more like he used it just to see that it actually works.

Horrified · #14 09-28-2007, 02:20 AM

Glitches like these should be disabled already, though. I doubt Stefan doesn't know about this.

But yeah, it's just a Glitch. If it was a hack, you wouldn't be running only Graal4.exe to have it.

Inverness · #15 09-28-2007, 02:22 AM

I'd say we've ironed out the fact that its a glitch and if you continue to use it that is abuse, so I have no sympathy if you get jailed or banned.

Trying to justify using a glitch with technicalities is sad.

kia345 · #16 09-28-2007, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

That sounds more like he used it just to see that it actually works.

I'm referring to a few other things he's done that wasn't bug abuse; I'm saying I wouldn't put it past him

If a glitch isn't going to be fixed, keep abusing it until someone realizes it's out of hand

DutchGuy · #17 09-28-2007, 10:39 PM

it is no glitch to gain advantage over other players.
in fact theres no player involved.
its simply a faster money making thing, that anyone can do if they knew how to.
but the fact half of the people arnt aware of the function, it makes m think its a glitch.

Bell · #18 09-28-2007, 10:59 PM

It does give you an advantage. You make money faster than they do. Its also used in other ways which I have no intention of detailing. The problem is, its not a glitch that the servers can fix themselves so they can only defend against the problem. Since bots act in a similar fashion the staff can only assume you are botting if you don't stop to show them you are actually there.

Inverness · #19 09-29-2007, 01:35 AM

DutchGuy, I don't like repeating myself, everyone has ironed out the fact that its a glitch and you're abusing it and you should expect to be punished if you continue to do so.

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Originally Posted by kia345

If a glitch isn't going to be fixed, keep abusing it until someone realizes it's out of hand

That is NOT the correct attitude to take. In MMORPGs if people are found abusing a glitch, they get punished for it immediately. And everyone who uses the glitch will get punished for it up until the glitch is removed.

On a playerworld, if they're unable to correct a glitch for some reason, they can still punish everyone that abuses the glitch, it doesn't matter if they fix it or not.

kia345 · #20 09-29-2007, 01:48 AM

If they're not making any attempt to correct it, or not even going to flat out say "do not abuse this glitch", it's the only approach to take if you want anything done.

Ravenblade1979 · #21 09-29-2007, 01:53 AM

Inverness the fact that the original poster didn't know it was not allowed on the server when he was using it shouldn't mean that he should be punished. He should be punished if he uses it again.

I have to point out that this combination can be used on graal kingdoms but only for a few things. Its actually good so you don't repeatedly hit your s button on your keyboard wearing it out faster.

Here is what I found I could use it on GK for.

- Swinging a sword (against some monsters its ok but generally this is damn useless against others and in pking)
- Making cloth (if you hold a and tab you can produce about 25-30 cloth per coal)
- Swinging a pickaxe (just hold s and tab and instead of hitting s over and over it will swing but not fast. I have tested it and its the same speed wether you hit s or s&tab)

Now I must stress that its extremely annoying when you hold down s&tab or a&tab because on GK tab is the button to hit to bring up the chat bar. So I doubt many people really use it.

Not useful for:

- pking and higher level monsters
- casting magic (you just need to hold down the hotkey for the magic your casting)
- purchasing stuff
- walking
- using a boat
- cooking
- using a zeplin
- doing alchemy
- making items (weapons, armor, helms etc)
- making scrolls
- swimming
- doing events
- quests

Crono · #22 09-29-2007, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Now I must stress that its extremely annoying when you hold down s&tab or a&tab because on GK tab is the button to hit to bring up the chat bar. So I doubt many people really use it.

I'm sorry but no ****? Every server's chat bar comes up when you press tab, thats where the bug comes from to begin with...the rapid switching between your chat bar and the screen.

I find it useful when I'm mining on UN, just saves me from having to keep pressing D. It doesn't really give you much of an edge, it's more for the sake of not having to bash buttons.

DustyPorViva · #23 09-29-2007, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

I'm sorry but no ****? Every server's chat bar comes up when you press tab, thats where the bug comes from to begin with...the rapid switching between your chat bar and the screen.

I find it useful when I'm mining on UN, just saves me from having to keep pressing D. It doesn't really give you much of an edge, it's more for the sake of not having to bash buttons.

But bashing button is the foundation of making money on Graal!!!
Anyways, not every game documents every glitch(because most of the time they're not known), and tells people not to do it.
See, I know it's rare and all... but common sense is a good place to start when making personal decisions about these kinds of things.

zokemon · #24 09-29-2007, 04:18 AM

Unlike others here, I do not see this as a glitch at all. If I have some turbo feature of my keyboard does that mean I'm abusing a glitch? No. It's the simple fact of the matter that keys can repeat and should be allowed to.

If a server is to stupid to not be able to make some feature that is a tiny bit more complex then button mashing, that is their own fault.

DustyPorViva · #25 09-29-2007, 04:55 AM

Pretty sure at one point they said they don't allow the usage of turbo either.
The difference? A turbo controller is a third party kind of thing. The tab-ASD thing is a byproduct of the client.
That's like a glitch to dupe items is on the same lines of hacking to dupe items. It may be an extreme comparison, because hacking and a turbo controller are completely different... but just because you can replicate it via third party doesn't mean it's not an abusable glitch.