GK Fails

[Sam]

Originally Posted by zell12

Too bad it's basically true, Sam. GK fails. I said this long ago, glad more people are finally acknowledging it as a fact. The server can be fixed and reset, but you have to ask yourself this question and place yourself in Stefan's boots?

Is it worth it? Can it be done in a timely manner with my available resources? Will it interfere with my work on new versions, Vista compatibility, Graal3D, etc.?

Right now, It is not in the best interest to fix the server and reset it. Rather keep mooching money of unsuspecting players, and even some of the people that have played it for longer. When the population drops to 2-8 players max a day or so, maybe it can be brought down and replace its void with a few classic servers to spread the load again.

Anyway, if you want GK fixed. Someone make a new thread, post some stuff, be serious, and offer your help. Maybe if Stefan can find enough people with some incentive and ability to work without motivation and constant reminders that you are being loved he might just go with it and still save himself and whoever scripts with him for updating the game client and Graal3D.

I am not sure, but when I don't misunderstood Stefan, they are working on some important updates for GK.
I don't disagree with the opinion GK is going to get boring but I don'T think the management drops GK.

[Crow]

True, theres nothing about OT in the rules.

Cookie, anyone?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Sam

I am not sure, but when I don't misunderstood Stefan, they are working on some important updates for GK.

Saying and doing are two different things. They have been saying there are important updates for a while, but there hasn't been anything in a long time that has helped GK.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Saying and doing are two different things. They have been saying there are important updates for a while, but there hasn't been anything in a long time that has helped GK.

I can assure you that updates are being currently worked on. I know its hard to believe but they are being worked on as we speak. Don't forget that things take time.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

IDon't forget that things take time.

I don't think anyone has forgotten that things take time, but it's been too long.

[MasterNuke]

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

FIX IT ALREADY.

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[CABAL49]

Originally Posted by zell12

Anyway, if you want GK fixed. Someone make a new thread, post some stuff, be serious, and offer your help. Maybe if Stefan can find enough people with some incentive and ability to work without motivation and constant reminders that you are being loved he might just go with it and still save himself and whoever scripts with him for updating the game client and Graal3D.

It is called the suggestions thread, we post stuff, people agree it is a good idea and then the idea is ignored by staff, it is a great system.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by CABAL49

It is called the suggestions thread, we post stuff, people agree it is a good idea and then the idea is ignored by staff, it is a great system.

Well it would help if Bjorn hired some people instead of asking ppl to submit stuff he won't use.

[kenyonandelliot]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Well it would help if Bjorn hired some people instead of asking ppl to submit stuff he won't use.

Maybe Bjorn can tell people to ask him when they want to help and then he can tell them what he would need, then when they finish it he can change it a bit then upload instead of getting useless stuff.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by kenyonandelliot

Maybe Bjorn can tell people to ask him when they want to help and then he can tell them what he would need, then when they finish it he can change it a bit then upload instead of getting useless stuff.

You have no idea how Bjorn works do you? Bjorn already told ppl they could volunteer new content to him or Stefan but everyone gets turned away. What GK needs is a working dev team. Not just kingdoms Dev teams but GK itself so more can get done.

[zokemon]

I would work if Debug wasn't down for the past 3 - 4 days ;(

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by CABAL49

It is called the suggestions thread, we post stuff, people agree it is a good idea and then the idea is ignored by staff, it is a great system.

The suggestions maybe good but they are not important many updates are beening worked on which are more important than any of the ideas that people bring up in the suggestions thread.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by cyan3

The suggestions maybe good but they are not important many updates are beening worked on which are more important than any of the ideas that people bring up in the suggestions thread.

I agree on this. Important things need to be worked on the most but in the meantime they could be releasing small things.

[CABAL49]

Nothing is being released, all we get each year is recycled Christmas items.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by CABAL49

Nothing is being released, all we get each year is recycled Christmas items.

When the hell was the last time you were online? Seriously answer this?

It seems that a lot of people who complain don't play this server or barely play it.

Things do get released just not as often as we would like.

[CABAL49]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

When the hell was the last time you were online? Seriously answer this?

It seems that a lot of people who complain don't play this server or barely play it.

Things do get released just not as often as we would like.

Six days 12 hours ago, I am generaly on Kingdoms once or twice a week. Not that how often I play really applies to the lack of content. I agree that Kingdoms needs more staff but it needed them two years ago.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by CABAL49

Six days 12 hours ago, I am generaly on Kingdoms once or twice a week. Not that how often I play really applies to the lack of content. I agree that Kingdoms needs more staff but it needed them two years ago.

Err if you played more I might actually listen. But yeah we need staff. We have the kingdoms dev people.

[zell12]

The game needs a better system, classes should be different, the game needs a larger base of items and mobs.

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Err if you played more I might actually listen.

rofl@urlogic
This is rather paradoxical in case you don't realize it.

People rarely play because they want change and improvements. But since they rarely play, their opinion for change and improvements doesn't matter, or at least to you it doesn't- which really doesn't say much anyways..

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks

rofl@urlogic
This is rather paradoxical in case you don't realize it.

People rarely play because they want change and improvements. But since they rarely play, their opinion for change and improvements doesn't matter, or at least to you it doesn't- which really doesn't say much anyways..

Apparently there is just more then me who don't listen to them either. Staff may read the forums but does it look like they are doing anything about it? Stefan didn't know till yesterday or the day before that we were losing people due to lack of content.

[CABAL49]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Apparently there is just more then me who don't listen to them either. Staff may read the forums but does it look like they are doing anything about it? Stefan didn't know till yesterday or the day before that we were losing people due to lack of content.

Does that mean that more stuff will get released? Really though, and I am partly responsible for this myself, we need to stop pointing out flaws and start thinking up ideas for solutions.

[Tigairius]

I'm getting kind of tired of this thread, it's just the same thing over and over again.

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

I'm getting kind of tired of this thread, it's just the same thing over and over again.

I agree, this thread should get closed.

[MasterNuke]

222 replies and you just now noticed that this thread was getting nowhere?

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

222 replies and you just now noticed that this thread was getting nowhere?

I noticed before i just wanted to see how to would turn out if i left it.

[CABAL49]

Originally Posted by cyan3

I agree, this thread should get closed.

And that will do what? Sooner or later another one will pop up. I still think that if most of the bugs are fixed and a complete reset will give Kingdoms a few extra years of life.

[Ravenblade1979]

maybe ppl should read

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...17#post1327617

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

maybe ppl should read

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...17#post1327617

There is a way to not target that post you know

[CABAL49]

Graal V5 hardly effects Kingdoms as a whole. It is not an update for Kingdoms but it will allow Vista people to play and that is reaaly the only change.

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by CABAL49

And that will do what? Sooner or later another one will pop up. I still think that if most of the bugs are fixed and a complete reset will give Kingdoms a few extra years of life.

Fixing bugs and a level reset would be good but if items get reset the econemy of the server will go down hill, and almost every weapon/armours were event items so all of us will be running around with flaming swords and plate armour and none of us will get any better because we need players who have money and diamonds so we can buy items our self.

[Ravenblade1979]

Ultimatly resetting will lead to the same problems CABAL or don't you read what other people post? Its been said a few times that a reset isn't the answer.

[CABAL49]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Ultimatly resetting will lead to the same problems CABAL or don't you read what other people post? Its been said a few times that a reset isn't the answer.

It is true that a reset on it's own won't do much but with more staff support on Kingdoms instead of Zone it would be very effective.

Originally Posted by cyan3

None of us will get any better because we need players who have money and diamonds so we can buy items our self.

This is true, honestly I hadn't really thought about this, but really, I think that this wouldn't be that big of a problem. While it is true we won't be able to make money off selling items to other players the economy should repair it's self in a short time, but that is just speculation on my part.

[D4rKv310c1ty]

Originally Posted by Googi

Yeah, GK has a lot of problems. It's too bad that fixing them wouldn't actually increase the playercount.

It most probably will do though, that's the thing.

Ex-GK players will come back and notice a difference.

Kinda like when Zodiac was under hosted. People signed on and thought it was naff.

When it was released under classic people started to realise that the quest system and the mobs were quite fun to play around.

Maybe in V5, not only will they update the client with new subscriptions etc.. they will actually intend on fixing some of the Graal founded servers in the first place. Well, maybe not classic - because that's old. You can't change whats old other wise it'd be new.

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by cyan3

Fixing bugs and a level reset would be good but if items get reset the econemy of the server will go down hill, and almost every weapon/armours were event items so all of us will be running around with flaming swords and plate armour and none of us will get any better because we need players who have money and diamonds so we can buy items our self.

That's a major exageration.
Especially for you as the Governor.

First, I'll be running around with sais before flameswords
Secondly, need diamonds? Mine them, kill rexes... etc
Need money? Sell monster body parts? Still see the economy isn't really high?
Well, good- we don't need inflation and for platinum to become useless again.

Nontheless- events will be hosted. So event items will come back to our economy.
You'll get your kingdom event items to host kingdom events as well.
People will eventually alchemize more and more items... a holiday or two will pass, and people will get free items to give the economy a boost.

IMO, everything in the game should be worth platinum.
I was helping a friend of mine get started, and I told him how diamonds are pretty much how you buy things on GK. His response was "SoJ's?". If you played D2, you'd know what that refers too (the game money in there was/is[i havnt played much since they "fixed" the game] 100% useless in the player-economy). Our game shouldn't be that way.

I remember a time when the highest leveled player had his level in the 20's.
I remember a time when I found out 110 was the highest level by playing on the debug server, and thought it was cool because it seemed like noone would ever get that high.
When kingdoms actually RPed, and had wars and alliances.

Anyways, GK is dead. Graal 3d is on its way. That's how graal seems to work. Isn't that how it worked with G2k1? G2k2(now known as GK) was released, every went to it, and something was/went wrong so everyone went back to G2k1. G2k1 eventually started sucking, but luckily GK was complete/ready to play, so it didnt matter that G2k1 sucked. Now it's still in development to come back, is it not? Graal will have had 2 new releases (3 if you count Zone as a main server) before G2k1 makes a comeback...

Edit: Sorry for my usual long posting, cyan.

[kenyonandelliot]

Originally Posted by cyan3

Fixing bugs and a level reset would be good but if items get reset the econemy of the server will go down hill, and almost every weapon/armours were event items so all of us will be running around with flaming swords and plate armour and none of us will get any better because we need players who have money and diamonds so we can buy items our self.

I still run around with a flaming sword..

[D4rKv310c1ty]

Sorry, but I don't think G3D will replace permanently any of the games/servers released currently.

[Gothika]

If the server resets. FiDs won't suddenly become craftable. Old alchemy won't be back. RoWs won't spawn in the shops. It would be like it is now. But with no economy. Like Cyan said, everyone would be running around with flaming swords and alch only armour.
If that happened graal kingdoms would plunge to it's death.

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by Gothika

FiDs won't suddenly become craftable.

Good, then they won't exist.
Make them event items.

Originally Posted by Gothika

Old alchemy won't be back.

Good, then noone will have the old alchemy items.
Alchemy items will be items which can be alchemized.

Originally Posted by Gothika

RoWs won't spawn in the shops.

Why not? Did they make it so RoW's no longer spawn?

Originally Posted by Gothika

It would be like it is now. But with no economy.

Wrong, the economy will just be a lot different. Event items will be rare and pricey as they should, especially at first. It'll go through a whole cycle again, except maybe this time around they won't release things, and decide they screwed up- then making it worse by removing creation of those things, but not removing those things themselves. If they release something that can be created and it's "unbalanced", maybe they should change the stats (like how they removed speed from all alchemy items- not just future ones), because the only other fair way is to remove all the items- not just disabling creation of them..

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by D4rKv310c1ty

Sorry, but I don't think G3D will replace permanently any of the games/servers released currently.

The same way GK didn't replace G2k1? Oh wait... it did.

Even if it doesn't replace GK in that same way, GK still, as Ghotika puts it, "will plunge to its death" becausse they'll focus more on their newer server.

Personally, I don't really care- as long as G3d is good, I can move on past GK (it's just a game...). I think G3d is looking pretty good. That main screen that says "Graal3d" and shows a village from a bird's eye view looks great. The videos don't seem to live up to that image, but they still make the game seem promising. I havn't tried G3d in a long while though, and I don't even know if it's still availible to play/try. When I played it was just the stupid little town, ski racing, hitting a snowman with balls... and the characters look ugly. I think the newly-release videos are a great improvement though. The only thing I didn't like was the way it looked when the character was fighting- the movement, the way he slashed his sword... it looked sloppy. It looked like someone controlling a puppet x.x

[D4rKv310c1ty]

Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks

The same way GK didn't replace G2k1? Oh wait... it did.

Even if it doesn't replace GK in that same way, GK still, as Ghotika puts it, "will plunge to its death" becausse they'll focus more on their newer server.

Personally, I don't really care- as long as G3d is good, I can move on past GK (it's just a game...). I think G3d is looking pretty good. That main screen that says "Graal3d" and shows a village from a bird's eye view looks great. The videos don't seem to live up to that image, but they still make the game seem promising. I havn't tried G3d in a long while though, and I don't even know if it's still availible to play/try. When I played it was just the stupid little town, ski racing, hitting a snowman with balls... and the characters look ugly. I think the newly-release videos are a great improvement though. The only thing I didn't like was the way it looked when the character was fighting- the movement, the way he slashed his sword... it looked sloppy. It looked like someone controlling a puppet x.x

Ok, well lets notify the difference between the hop over to GK from 2001 against GK hopping to G3D.

Gameplay.

You just can't argue, a 2D server against a 3D server which is completely different in terms of playing it.

Over many years Graal has been under the ways of 2D. 3D for the community is a completely different way of playing.

Fancy videos don't mean nothing, just shows how much time the video editor spent using small clips of gameplay whilst syncing it to a catchy tune with richer effects than make up to a drag-queen.