Private Message?

BlueFireX · #1 05-25-2007, 09:31 PM

Just wondering but can staff on RC or whatever check people pms or just can see who they pmed to?

BlueFireX · #2 05-25-2007, 09:35 PM

That doesn't sound private to me.

xXziroXx · #3 05-25-2007, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt

Yes, they can read their private messages from RC.

How?

Matt · #4 05-25-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

How?

Nevermind, sorry. I got confused. I thought he meant, can people logged on RC read pm's they recieve.

Staff cannot see players pm's to other players. Nor can they see whom they sent pm's to.

BlueFireX · #5 05-25-2007, 09:38 PM

Let say the staff was perverted :[ you tell your friend you know at school your phone number to call you and staff can see it?

Ah forget the first part I read your other post. Thanks for the help.

zokemon · #6 05-25-2007, 09:39 PM

I think he means you can read your own PMs from RC just like you would read your own PMs from the Client.

EDIT: Oh, he said it before me.

Deadly_Killer · #7 05-25-2007, 09:41 PM

A = Player 1
B = Player 2
C = RC 1

A sends message to B -> Only A/B would know what the message was.
C sends message to A -> Only C/A would know what the message was.
B sends message to C -> Only B/C would know what the message was.

I think that's better?

BlueFireX · #8 05-25-2007, 09:45 PM

Hmm I think RC need the right to see who sent a pm to who but not check the pm the other people sent. Like lets say someone get accused of harrassing someone else. RC has no way to make sure the other player did or did not. Its quite easy to edit your history with paint :[ or get another acc, pm you the same thing and have it as someone nick and there.

Matt · #9 05-25-2007, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueFireX

Hmm I think RC need the right to see who sent a pm to who but not check the pm the other people sent. Like lets say someone get accused of harrassing someone else. RC has no way to make sure the other player did or did not. Its quite easy to edit your history with paint :[ or get another acc, pm you the same thing and have it as someone nick and there.

That's no really proof. The player being accused of harassment might of just said "Hello". You know?

zokemon · #10 05-25-2007, 09:51 PM

Maybe an option that allows a selected RC to view a selected PM if both sides agree? Sounds like a ton of work for Stefan though...

Sum41Freeeeek · #11 05-25-2007, 10:49 PM

I wouldn't want staff reading what I want to be private.

Deadly_Killer · #12 05-25-2007, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sum41Freeeeek

I wouldn't want staff reading what I want to be private.

Amen Brother!

kia345 · #13 05-25-2007, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sum41Freeeeek

I wouldn't want staff reading what I want to be private.

Neither did MHX

zokemon · #14 05-26-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

Maybe an option that allows a selected RC to view a selected PM if both sides agree? Sounds like a ton of work for Stefan though...

Umm...

Crono · #15 05-26-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

Maybe an option that allows a selected RC to view a selected PM if both sides agree? Sounds like a ton of work for Stefan though...

Why?

zokemon · #16 05-26-2007, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Why?

To make both sides of this thread happy, that's why!

Crono · #17 05-26-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

To make both sides of this thread happy, that's why!

Too much work over such a silly little thing. Such time could be spent reviving the games world!

zokemon · #18 05-26-2007, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Too much work over such a silly little thing. Such time could be spent reviving the games world!

This is true.

DustyPorViva · #19 05-26-2007, 12:20 AM

I played a game where EVERYTHING was log, private chats included. It had a disclaimer that nothing is 'private'. Either way I don't see the big deal, it really helped eliminate he said she said crap when something serious happened, though of course that takes responsibility of the Admin's/staff not to read stuff for their personal entertainment. So ya, that eliminates its use in Graal.

Matt · #20 05-26-2007, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Too much work over such a silly little thing. Such time could be spent reviving the games world!

Agreed. And it's not really 'silly', but it's not often that a situation happens in which this will be very useful.

Bell · #21 05-26-2007, 04:38 AM

The ignore function was put in place for someone harrassing another person via pm. Therefore there is no need for a chat history to be confirmed or not. Having said that though. This is a part of the current Rules of Conduct for Graalonline.

3.Privacy
GraalOnline policy will respect each individual player's privacy to communicate unless there is a reasonable concern that such conversations relate to bug abuse, disruptive behavior, or other illegal activities. It must be made clear that all actions and conversations within GraalOnline are subject to monitoring. Should a player or players be suspected of illegal or abusive activity, GraalOnline reserves the right to use administration tools to monitor individuals' communications via chats and other private messages.
GraalOnline staff and personnel will never single out individual personal information when communicating to other players or outside parties. GraalOnline expects GraalOnline players to abide by the same respect for personal privacy. Personal information - age, address, personal email, phone numbers, etc. - should never be exploited, communicated between players. Any violations will be strictly punished.

DustyPorViva · #22 05-26-2007, 05:03 AM

I don't think harassment, especially sexual, should be simply punished by the blocking the person. Administration should take action against harassment as it can get pretty bad at times. Blocking should be an action taken by the player, but further action should be done

PrinceDark · #23 05-26-2007, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

Maybe an option that allows a selected RC to view a selected PM if both sides agree? Sounds like a ton of work for Stefan though...

Sounds good, or could just have it check to see if there are any inappropriate words, and have them listed. Bleh.

Darlene159 · #24 05-26-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I don't think harassment, especially sexual, should be simply punished by the blocking the person. Administration should take action against harassment as it can get pretty bad at times. Blocking should be an action taken by the player, but further action should be done

I very much agree.

Crono · #25 05-26-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I don't think harassment, especially sexual, should be simply punished by the blocking the person.

Why not?

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Administration should take action against harassment as it can get pretty bad at times.

Oh really? Does it really get THAT BAD? No, it doesn't.

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Blocking should be an action taken by the player, but further action should be done

The further action is the fact that the player can report harassment and the harasser could get jailed/banned. The further action is the whole "amagad we taek harasment srsly ok ppl plz dun do it or u wil be baned no questions asked lols".

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I very much agree.

SURPRISE!

Darlene159 · #26 05-26-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Oh really? Does it really get THAT BAD? No, it doesn't.

Yes, it does.

syltburk · #27 05-26-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bell

The ignore function was put in place for someone harrassing another person via pm. Therefore there is no need for a chat history to be confirmed or not. Having said that though. This is a part of the current Rules of Conduct for Graalonline.

3.Privacy
GraalOnline policy will respect each individual player's privacy to communicate unless there is a reasonable concern that such conversations relate to bug abuse, disruptive behavior, or other illegal activities. It must be made clear that all actions and conversations within GraalOnline are subject to monitoring. Should a player or players be suspected of illegal or abusive activity, GraalOnline reserves the right to use administration tools to monitor individuals' communications via chats and other private messages.
GraalOnline staff and personnel will never single out individual personal information when communicating to other players or outside parties. GraalOnline expects GraalOnline players to abide by the same respect for personal privacy. Personal information - age, address, personal email, phone numbers, etc. - should never be exploited, communicated between players. Any violations will be strictly punished.

blablabla, bell no one cares or reads the rules on graal. its anarchy. get it? kthxbai

Deadly_Killer · #28 05-26-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bell

3.Privacy
GraalOnline policy will respect each individual player's privacy to communicate unless there is a reasonable concern that such conversations relate to bug abuse, disruptive behavior, or other illegal activities. It must be made clear that all actions and conversations within GraalOnline are subject to monitoring. Should a player or players be suspected of illegal or abusive activity, GraalOnline reserves the right to use administration tools to monitor individuals' communications via chats and other private messages.
GraalOnline staff and personnel will never single out individual personal information when communicating to other players or outside parties. GraalOnline expects GraalOnline players to abide by the same respect for personal privacy. Personal information - age, address, personal email, phone numbers, etc. - should never be exploited, communicated between players. Any violations will be strictly punished.

You must have read over a line.

Matt · #29 05-26-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by syltburk

blablabla, bell no one cares or reads the rules on graal. its anarchy. get it? kthxbai

Well then whoever breaks the rules should not have a hard time understanding their punishment and why their being punished, which is not the case.

The rules are there to help players prevent themselves from getting jailed/banned. It's their own fault if they get in trouble because they are provided with a simple set of rules to follow.

Crono · #30 05-26-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Yes, it does.

No, because it's easy to get something done about it. A simple alt+2 or a screenshot of your PM logs can take care of the problems.

Darlene159 · #31 05-26-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

No, because it's easy to get something done about it. A simple alt+2 or a screenshot of your PM logs can take care of the problems.

sure....

DustyPorViva · #32 05-26-2007, 06:48 PM

Not if they're favorites of the staff.

Crono · #33 05-26-2007, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Not if they're favorites of the staff.

Then you report it to the globals.

Bell · #34 05-26-2007, 09:16 PM

There are degrees of harrassment, sexual or otherwise. It should be considered on a case by case basis. Some people feel person A asking person B if they wanna go on a date is sexual harrassment. Is that really worth a lengthy ban when a simple no will suffice? If they ask again just block them. They'll get the hint you're really not interested. If it continues then other steps can be taken but just as in the real world you should at least try to deal with some situations on your own instead of expecting everyone else to do it for you.

As far as the Rules of Conduct go, if you're too lazy to bother reading them then don't go crying foul cause you didn't know any better. Might work on your parents but not on me :P. At 13 which is the supposed minimum age to play you should have SOME common sense. We all know 13 year olds already know everything and are smarter than everyone on the planet.

Crono · #35 05-26-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bell

At 13 which is the supposed minimum age to play you should have SOME common sense. We all know 13 year olds already know everything and are smarter than everyone on the planet.

Apparently it's 12 now.

DustyPorViva · #36 05-26-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bell

At 13 which is the supposed minimum age to play you should have SOME common sense.

You over-estimate the human race, especially those on the internet. Common sense is not so common.

Darlene159 · #37 05-26-2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bell

There are degrees of harrassment, sexual or otherwise. It should be considered on a case by case basis. Some people feel person A asking person B if they wanna go on a date is sexual harrassment. Is that really worth a lengthy ban when a simple no will suffice? If they ask again just block them. They'll get the hint you're really not interested. If it continues then other steps can be taken but just as in the real world you should at least try to deal with some situations on your own instead of expecting everyone else to do it for you.

I agree that mild forms of harrassmet can alot of times be handled on a persons own. Lord knows, I have done it many times, but there have been some that I have seen that are really, really bad, and repeated over and over by the same people. These people should be punished harshly, and staff on playerworlds sometimes, really don't care. Playercount means so much more....

Crono · #38 05-26-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

These people should be punished harshly, and staff on playerworlds sometimes, really don't care. Playercount means so much more....

Thats what globals are for.

I think I'm pretty sure you're referring to yourself on Classic.

DustyPorViva · #39 05-26-2007, 10:20 PM

Ya, and like it was said, it's always good to have the actual information available. It's done in many games, and really if you're that scared of someone reading what you say on the game use something like aim. It's good practice for games like Graal to log stuff, especially if something were to happen, they'll have proof. Sexual harassment was just an example, there are other things they may need the logs for.

Darlene159 · #40 05-26-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Thats what globals are for.

Globals shouldn't be over burdened with this stuff, but yea, you are right.

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I think I'm pretty sure you're referring to yourself on Classic.

I have been on quite a few playerworlds that I haven't seen extreme harrassment and sexual harrassment. I was not only speaking of what has been said to myself either.