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[Door]

Wow... wtf? How dare you guys talk about trials like that? A lot of those 'idiots' are the subscribing regulars of Graal now. And a lot of the current 'idiots' will be eventually. This is the worst attitude ever. It's like saying that kids who take to long to learn how to read in school should be sent away, because they're idiots. I mean, holy crap, what use is a child who can't even read? You're right, trials are worthless and can never become full members, so we should just send them off to wallow in their idiocy alone.

Wow.
Wow, wow, wow.

This is the attitude that's killing Graal. Let's send away fresh blood! Who needs new players, when we've already met our amazing quota of 200 people on per day. WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN TRIALS WHO ARE IDIOTS--THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO PLAY.

Good game, no rematch.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Door

Wow... wtf? How dare you guys talk about trials like that? A lot of those 'idiots' are the subscribing regulars of Graal now. And a lot of the current 'idiots' will be eventually. This is the worst attitude ever. It's like saying that kids who take to long to learn how to read in school should be sent away, because they're idiots. I mean, holy crap, what use is a child who can't even read? You're right, trials are worthless and can never become full members, so we should just send them off to wallow in their idiocy alone.

Wow.
Wow, wow, wow.

This is the attitude that's killing Graal. Let's send away fresh blood! Who needs new players, when we've already met our amazing quota of 200 people on per day. WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN TRIALS WHO ARE IDIOTS--THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO PLAY.

Good game, no rematch.

Well said Door, I couldn't agree with you more.

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[Curt1zzle]

Originally Posted by Door

It's like saying that kids who take to long to learn how to read in school should be sent away, because they're idiots.

Well....

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Door

Wow... wtf? How dare you guys talk about trials like that?

trials suk olol

didn't take much of a dare to say that.

A lot of those 'idiots' are the subscribing regulars of Graal now. And a lot of the current 'idiots' will be eventually.

So?

This is the worst attitude ever. It's like saying that kids who take to long to learn how to read in school should be sent away, because they're idiots.

It's called special ed. It happens, as unfortunate as it is.

I mean, holy crap, what use is a child who can't even read? You're right, trials are worthless and can never become full members, so we should just send them off to wallow in their idiocy alone.

Your analogy sucks. Also, no one is saying that we should send them off and such. We just stereotype them as idiots because thats how a lot of them present themselves.

Wow.
Wow, wow, wow.

im impresiv i kno...

This is the attitude that's killing Graal. Let's send away fresh blood!

Refer to 2 points up.

Who needs new players, when we've already met our amazing quota of 200 people on per day. WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN TRIALS WHO ARE IDIOTS--THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO PLAY.

No, I don't think this is the general attitude.

Good game, no rematch.

Only in your own little world.

[Door]

Originally Posted by Gerami

trials suk olol

It's called special ed. It happens, as unfortunate as it is.

We just stereotype them as idiots because thats how a lot of them present themselves.

Thanks for proving my point. You may as well be sending them off when you treat them like that.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Door

Thanks for proving my point.

I proved nothing. Your school analogy was aweful to begin with so I'm not really calling trials retarded. The "trials suk" comment was there to show you that it doesn't take much of a dare to insult a group of people.

And finally I actually play Graal servers and don't sit on classic all day. I've gained enough experience to safely say that I've seen a good amount of idiotic trials to stereotype them as being brainless. I'm not saying they all are dumb, and im not saying that they're dumber than everyone on Graal.

You may as well be sending them off when you treat them like that.

Yeah, except I don't treate them like that.

[Door]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Yeah, except I don't treat them like that.

Okay.. so you claim that the bulk of them are idiots, and you don't even try to hide the fact that it's a stereotype, yet you don't treat them like they're all idiots? Then what do you treat them like, and why does that treatment apply only to them in person? Honestly, I don't even necessarily think that they should have posting rights on the forums, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to be rude like that. I think it's totally uncalled for to talk badly about anyone, especially making generalizations like that. And not that I want to question your psychology, but have you ever thought that maybe you've just encountered more idiot trials, and that the non idiot ones are too busy figuring things out for themselves to bother you? Maybe you think they're mostly idiots because you don't notice the 'smart' ones as much, not because there are less.

And okay, so you yourself don't treat them like they're idiots? Great, so you're reserved enough to treat them as individuals--when they are there to speak up for themselves if you do not--but what about the others who are reading this thread? I mean, come on, you're Crono. You're a hero to many! You teach noobs cliffing like it's going out of style! And you're a bad role model to people who haven't had the chance to get their own impression of 'trials.' If I came here with no prior experience with trials, I'd be fairly easily impressed upon, reading posts calling them idiots and too stupid and distracting to post on the forums. And maybe you're spreading that attitude, the one that's helping to lower player count just a tad more.

[Crono]

Before we start I'd like to say that big paragraphs aren't going to help your argument.

Originally Posted by Door

Okay.. so you claim that the bulk of them are idiots, and you don't even try to hide the fact that it's a stereotype, yet you don't treat them like they're all idiots?

Correct, Correct, Semi-Correct (refer to below).

Then what do you treat them like, and why does that treatment apply only to them in person?

I PK them more than I PK classic accounts because they are easy picks. I basically exploit their lack of skill. Other times you have an occassional n00blet who has too big of a mouth. I don't think anyone here would take crap from a lil trial, and it sure doesn't leave a good impression for the rest of the trials.

Honestly, I don't even necessarily think that they should have posting rights on the forums, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to be rude like that.

Like what?

I think it's totally uncalled for to talk badly about anyone, especially making generalizations like that. And not that I want to question your psychology, but have you ever thought that maybe you've just encountered more idiot trials, and that the non idiot ones are too busy figuring things out for themselves to bother you?

How cute.

Refer to my statement about not all trials being dumb.

Maybe you think they're mostly idiots because you don't notice the 'smart' ones as much, not because there are less.

Wait what? I already explained this.

And okay, so you yourself don't treat them like they're idiots? Great, so you're reserved enough to treat them as individuals--when they are there to speak up for themselves if you do not--but what about the others who are reading this thread?

I'm a bit confused by what you're trying to say here.

I mean, come on, you're Crono. You're a hero to many! You teach noobs cliffing like it's going out of style!

A trial has never asked me for LATing help though. And a hero to many? LOL sorry Door, flattering me isn't going to help.

And you're a bad role model to people who haven't had the chance to get their own impression of 'trials.'

What? I'm not a role model for anyone on Graal.

If I came here with no prior experience with trials, I'd be fairly easily impressed upon, reading posts calling them idiots and too stupid and distracting to post on the forums. And maybe you're spreading that attitude, the one that's helping to lower player count just a tad more.

If they read all my posts they'd understand that not all of them are idiots to begin with. Just a bulk of them, which tend to stand out more than the other smart trials, thus the stereotype.

Oh great, tag teaming?

Originally Posted by Rufus

I don't think the "how dare you" was supposed to take in a literal sense, more so, "how can you" with little reasoning other then a stereotype opinion, because that's exactly what it is.

Ok.

If trials are the future profit for Graal, surely they shouldn't be brushed aside, especially when the old is wearing thin.

They should fend themselves like we did when we were n00bs.

Lol, analogies..

Excuse my spelling?

How many trials do you actually speak to Crono? On average, per week or so?

You do realize that a large proportion of Zone consists of Trial accounts right? I don't only play classic.

With this kind of attitude, I don't understand how anyone can say that "Graal sucks" it's just baffling, especially when most of the complaints are that there's not many players, not much content and you can't deny you haven't said that, weather it be to me or posted somewhere.

Are you suggesting Graal is dying because we PK n00bs like we always have been for over 7 years?

Actually it is, it's just an exaggerated version. How many people these days, especially the older members actually play with the newer, fresher members? I know of.. one.

I play with n00bs on Zone all the time. Hell a lot of the friends I have from Zone only started in 2005 or so.

Oh, you complete rebel.

How is this at all related to what I said?

I play Classic and I've been around too. Most of the new members do have a excitable attitude, I wouldn't call them idiots, but weren't we like that too? I know I was.

Like I said before, I don't believe every trial is an idiot, nor do I think the majority are complete retards. It's the bulk that are retarded which stand out the most. Why do you think people have been making fun of UN so much? Because it's full of n00bs, and most trials tend to be n00bs.

Yeah, except I don't treate them like that.

Misquote?

[Zideruic]

Wah wah wah.

[Door]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Before we start I'd like to say that big paragraphs aren't going to help your argument.

Correct, Correct, Semi-Correct (refer to below).

I PK them more than I PK classic accounts because they are easy picks. I basically exploit their lack of skill. Other times you have an occassional n00blet who has too big of a mouth. I don't think anyone here would take crap from a lil trial, and it sure doesn't leave a good impression for the rest of the trials.

Like what?

How cute.

Refer to my statement about not all trials being dumb.

Wait what? I already explained this.

I'm a bit confused by what you're trying to say here.

A trial has never asked me for LATing help though. And a hero to many? LOL sorry Door, flattering me isn't going to help.

What? I'm not a role model for anyone on Graal.

If they read all my posts they'd understand that not all of them are idiots to begin with. Just a bulk of them, which tend to stand out more than the other smart trials, thus the stereotype.

You misinterpreted a lot of what I said... I think you broke it down too much, instead of reading it together, which is how I wrote it, and which is how it should be read. Sorry for not dumbing down my posts by breaking them down sentence by sentence the way you do, but I think paragraphs look better and read in a much more lucid, flowing fashion.

As an FAQ on Classic, I talked to a lot of noobs. Some of them had video problems on their computer and couldn't see the screen problem correctly. Some of them barely spoke English, if they did. I guess all of those are idiots too?

And just to be clear, I didn't mean to say that you're the one tons of people look up to, the cliffing comment was just supposed to be cute. What I mean is that people might read your posts and derive their beliefs from them. It happens. It's very, very easy to impress generalizations on others, and surely if you flaunt this attitude--that the majority of trials are idiots--others will be affected.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Gerami

What? I'm not a role model for anyone on Graal.

You just broke my heart..

[MisterMastermind]

Originally Posted by Door

Wow... wtf? How dare you guys talk about trials like that? A lot of those 'idiots' are the subscribing regulars of Graal now. And a lot of the current 'idiots' will be eventually. This is the worst attitude ever. It's like saying that kids who take to long to learn how to read in school should be sent away, because they're idiots. I mean, holy crap, what use is a child who can't even read? You're right, trials are worthless and can never become full members, so we should just send them off to wallow in their idiocy alone.

Wow.
Wow, wow, wow.

This is the attitude that's killing Graal. Let's send away fresh blood! Who needs new players, when we've already met our amazing quota of 200 people on per day. WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN TRIALS WHO ARE IDIOTS--THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO PLAY.

Good game, no rematch.

Until you have spent 25+ hours on zone attempting to chat with the trials there, searching for an intelligent conversation I refuse to take anything you have to say to them into consideration. I have upwards of 1,400 hours on there and I have met some of the most unintelligent people you could ever have nightmares about meeting. Ohgreat, now I can even guess what your thinking. "You were a trial once, don't stereotype them all together!" What punishment can we give them to keep them off the forums if they act like idiots with flaming, spamming and posting pornographic websites? "LOLOL IP BANT!" They can evade that. "LOLOL ACCONT B@N!!!" They can evade that. "LOLOLOL COMPUTER ID BAN!!!!!!111" Guess what... I've heard multiple times that they can, and HAVE been evading that.

For the whole wallowing in your own pile of steaming stupid nonsense... From what I've seen, they don't WANT to change. You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. I've tried attempting to educate one with proper grammar and the basics of graal. Wanna guess what response I got 95% of the time? "LOLOL nerd git a lyfe." Some of them may have GREAT ideas, they should just tell those ideas to a P2P in game.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Door

This is the attitude that's killing Graal.

You had a pretty good post there up until you said this. I have yet to hear a convincing argument explaining just how bashing of trials by older players results in them not subscribing to Graal. From my experiences talking to trials, the number one reason by far cited for not subscribing is inability/unwillingness to use a credit card (despite PayByCash), number two is that they don't like the game content. The only people who seem to blame the community for "rejecting" trials are staff (the people who are supposed to bear most of the responsibility of getting trials to subscribe).