Vista Final - Page 2

CheeToS2 · #41 02-16-2007, 06:09 AM

May I ask why it does that? :P Seems interesting.

It works if I disable HTML (freezes if it's turned on, but no error). I noticed if I rename it back to Graal4 it still works.

Rufus · #42 02-16-2007, 05:34 PM

Yeah, renaming works fine but I'm unable to download things like the level editor, RC, so I'm guessing "Upgrade packages" doesn't work. Oh and graphics aren't saving either

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Originally Posted by CheeToS2

I noticed if I rename it back to Graal4 it still works.

This didn't work for me

Admins · #43 02-16-2007, 08:12 PM

Vista is caching the programs so it will work even if you delete some files, but the cache is probably cleared after some minutes/hours. That feature was existing in Mac OSX for a long time, although I don't really like it (Vista often displays multiple versions of the same folder when I rename it x-x)

About player list: in the next Graal version it will be optionable to use in-game player list (scripted playerlist) and in-game PMs. On Vista it will use in-game PMs by default.

About saving files: Vista is shading the Graal folder into the users AppData folder if you install it in Program Files as administrator and then start it as user, normally that should work fine. If there are problems with that then better install it into a folder which is writable for you. Eventually Graal could also use a separate user folder for downloaded files like it is doing on Linux/Mac (will be optionable).

Draenin · #44 02-16-2007, 09:03 PM

I've gotten graal working just by taking away the 4 in the name, but get other odd problems while running it. For example, the Kingdoms menu glitches up and looks like static, the login menu turns partially black, etc. Haven't experienced the PM bug yet.

I will report bugs here as I find them. As of right now, though, I'm trying to find proper sound drivers.

Admins · #45 02-16-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

I've gotten graal working just by taking away the 4 in the name, but get other odd problems while running it. For example, the Kingdoms menu glitches up and looks like static, the login menu turns partially black, etc. Haven't experienced the PM bug yet.

I will report bugs here as I find them. As of right now, though, I'm trying to find proper sound drivers.

It was not starting at all before? The screenshot looks like there are no graphics / couldn't download or save them.

CheeToS2 · #46 02-16-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

It was not starting at all before? The screenshot looks like there are no graphics / couldn't download or save them.

There are a lot of graphical glitches like that one, with a lot of errors saying "Problem locking DirectX surface for writing" in the F2 window. Graphics work properly in OpenGL mode, but it's noticeably slower (OpenGL isn't well supported by most drivers yet). I get stuff like what you see in the screenshot below, and also strange graphical corruption (like cars on Era showing distorted bombs from spites.png)

edit: added Era screenshot

Admins · #47 02-17-2007, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CheeToS2

edit: added Era screenshot

That's in DirectX mode?

CheeToS2 · #48 02-17-2007, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

That's in DirectX mode?

Yes

Draenin · #49 02-17-2007, 06:21 AM

I'll go into Graal with the DirectX 10 beta hopefully installed and take a few more in a bit.

Devil · #50 02-21-2007, 03:22 PM

I tried to log on before, and I got the same errors, more errors etc..

Then I tried an hour later, logged onto Delteria and received no problems at all, it's totally random.

Delta2004 · #51 02-24-2007, 02:12 AM

The name change seemed to work for me. I just took out the 4 in the .exe name. But I'm having problems with my graphics. On every server, the animated flowers keep flashing and causing a lot of lag.

**UPDATE
It just crashed out of random

so the name changing thing didn't work, i guess :o

Minoc · #52 02-24-2007, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Ok dokey
Please everyone who has Vista try following:
Rename Graal4.exe to a filename with at least 9 characters before the dot (e.g. Graal4bla.exe) and then start it and try to open the PMs.

Didn't help :[

CheeToS2 · #53 02-24-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Minoc

Didn't help :[

Did it still crash with an error, or just show a blank PM window and freeze? If the latter, disable HTML in PMs.

Minoc · #54 02-24-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CheeToS2

Did it still crash with an error, or just show a blank PM window and freeze? If the latter, disable HTML in PMs.

#1
Sometimes it doesn't crash at all, it's just stuck as an invisible process.

Admins · #55 02-24-2007, 12:01 PM

It can sometimes freeze when an external program is started (e.g. a link a PM). The problems with the tiles might be the same problem like with the classic bodies sometimes not being drawn correctly, will try to fix that soon.

Hmmm I am wondering if the new Nvidia driver is fixing some problems may be? They have just released the first non-beta driver two days ago.

theunknown · #56 03-06-2007, 08:46 PM

Maybe you can try configuring the file so the compatibility for it can run as a Windows XP Service Pack 2 module?

Devil · #57 03-07-2007, 01:46 AM

You mean right click on the program .exe and choose Windows Service Pack 2? Nah, it's already been tested I think.

Delta2004 · #58 03-08-2007, 08:41 AM

Yeah, that doesn't work.

Nitro2030ce · #59 03-08-2007, 08:25 PM

I have had no freezing issues but, I do have graphical glitches and an error while exiting Graal, I have to end it with task manager, the graphics drivers are up-to-date, but this is a laptop, nVidia GeForce Go 6150, Vista 32 Bit.

Skyld · #60 03-08-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitro2030ce

I have had no freezing issues but, I do have graphical glitches and an error while exiting Graal, I have to end it with task manager, the graphics drivers are up-to-date, but this is a laptop, nVidia GeForce Go 6150, Vista 32 Bit.

Oh, so you gave up with BeOS?

Please post your graal4console.log file from your Graal folder.

Nitro2030ce · #61 03-09-2007, 10:20 PM

Here, just from starting the game.

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Originally Posted by Graal 4 Console

Scanning folder structure of C:/Program Files/Graal/...
Done.
Created DirectDraw object
Initialized Direct3D7
Initialized DirectDraw
Graphic Capabilities:
Drawing of alpha blended textures: true
Textures with non-power-of-2 size: true
3D Textures with non-power-of-2 size: true
2D during 3D scene: true
Use 32 bit alpha: true
Initialized Direct3D7
Problem locking DirectX surface for writing
Problem locking DirectX surface for writing
Problem locking DirectX surface for writing
Problem locking DirectX surface for writing
Graal has been activated!
Loading tile definitions for server Login
Connecting to the game server...
Done.
Problem locking DirectX surface for writing
Problem locking DirectX surface for writing
Problem locking DirectX surface for writing
Problem locking DirectX surface for writing

TalonShriner · #62 03-11-2007, 02:07 AM

I just bought the Vista Home Premium upgrade... is it worth installing it even though Graal has some bugs? I'm really excited to have it, but I want to actually be able to play Graal with it.

Delta2004 · #63 03-12-2007, 08:49 PM

Yeah I have Home Premium also and I love it. But I've talked to someone who has the same Vista and Graal Online runs fine for him. I don't get it.

Minoc · #64 03-12-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TalonShriner

I just bought the Vista Home Premium upgrade... is it worth installing it even though Graal has some bugs? I'm really excited to have it, but I want to actually be able to play Graal with it.

Can't gurantee Graal would run at all.

TalonShriner · #65 03-12-2007, 10:30 PM

Well I installed it... god or allah or the jewish god has granted me mercy. My Graal and RC work perfectly fine. The only bug is with any of the movable or animated tiles (bushes, rocks, signs, flowers etc.) As for the random closing of Graal, that only happened once so far.

HoudiniMan · #66 03-13-2007, 01:00 PM

Problems with GUI graphics on Vista and XP:

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Originally Posted by XP - Installer - graal4console.log

Scanning folder structure of C:/Documents and Settings/Owner/Desktop/...
Done.
Created DirectDraw object
Initialized Direct3D7
Initialized DirectDraw
Graphic Capabilities:
Drawing of alpha blended textures: true
Textures with non-power-of-2 size: false
3D Textures with non-power-of-2 size: false
2D during 3D scene: true
Use 32 bit alpha: true
Initialized Direct3D7
Deleted DirectDraw Surfaces
Initialized Direct3D7
Resized DirectDraw to 400,260
Error creating alpha blended texture, not all graphics might show

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Originally Posted by XP - Graal installed to C:\Graal\ - graal4console.log

Scanning folder structure of C:/Graal/...
Done.
Created DirectDraw object
Initialized Direct3D7
Initialized DirectDraw
Graphic Capabilities:
Drawing of alpha blended textures: true
Textures with non-power-of-2 size: false
3D Textures with non-power-of-2 size: false
2D during 3D scene: true
Use 32 bit alpha: true
Initialized Direct3D7
Error creating alpha blended texture, not all graphics might show

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Originally Posted by Vista - Graal installed to C:\Program Files\Graal\ - graal4console.log

Scanning folder structure of C:/Program Files/Graal/...
Done.
Created DirectDraw object
Initialized Direct3D7
Initialized DirectDraw
Graphic Capabilities:
Drawing of alpha blended textures: true
Textures with non-power-of-2 size: true
3D Textures with non-power-of-2 size: true
2D during 3D scene: true
Use 32 bit alpha: true
Initialized Direct3D7
Problem locking DirectX surface for writing
Problem locking DirectX surface for writing
Problem locking DirectX surface for writing
Problem locking DirectX surface for writing

Concerning XP: This happened on a fresh OS install, so there were literally no other programs installed. Tried deleting the Graal folder and reinstalling to no avail.

The screenshots below are from XP and vista. XP screen shots have clouds around the program, and vista is the blackened boxes on the login screen.

Delta2004 · #67 03-13-2007, 11:07 PM

Well I've managed to get Graalonline to run on Vista. It runs just fine in Windowed Mode. I still have animation problems with flowers and such.

Screenshot 1

Screenshot 2

Admins · #68 03-13-2007, 11:40 PM

The flower problem should be possible to fix, need to check if it's happening to me too. On what gfx card does that happen?

Houdini: the screenshots you have made on XP are bugged because there is no gfx card driver installed, so Direct3D is running in software mode.

Riot · #69 03-13-2007, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

The flower problem should be possible to fix, need to check if it's happening to me too. On what gfx card does that happen?

It happens on my ATi Radeon 9800 Pro. The use of OpenGL mode fixes it and it doesn't crash as often.

HoudiniMan · #70 03-14-2007, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Houdini: the screenshots you have made on XP are bugged because there is no gfx card driver installed, so Direct3D is running in software mode.

The XP shots are running on Virtual PC 2007 and you're right the D3D is disabled, however my vista screenshot is running D3D fine.

Perhaps they're two separate issues, but similar symptoms, but either way vista has issues drawing too

Mog · #71 03-15-2007, 05:19 AM

with Vista out, howcome Windows XP still costs as much or even more than Vista??

Devil · #72 03-15-2007, 05:43 AM

ROFL What country do you live in? It's cheap as hell here.

Admins · #73 03-15-2007, 11:21 AM

Cheap? Vista prices start with 89 euro for OEM / Systembuilder. XP prices have not been reduced by Microsoft though.

Elk · #74 03-15-2007, 03:33 PM

over 200 € here o.O

Devil · #75 03-15-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Cheap? Vista prices start with 89 euro for OEM / Systembuilder. XP prices have not been reduced by Microsoft though.

Don't question why I said cheap.. it's a fact I can pick up XP for cheap as chips here Stefan.

Darlene159 · #76 03-15-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil

Don't question why I said cheap.. it's a fact I can pick up XP for cheap as chips here Stefan.

Doesn't mean everyone can.

Admins · #77 03-15-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil

Don't question why I said cheap.. it's a fact I can pick up XP for cheap as chips here Stefan.

Illegal copies? I have not heard of Microsoft suddenly selling it for less.

Crow · #78 03-15-2007, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Illegal copies? I have not heard of Microsoft suddenly selling it for less.

Illegal copies of operation systems are not that good o.O Its the only thing you should actually buy lol :P

D4rKv310c1ty · #79 03-16-2007, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Illegal copies? I have not heard of Microsoft suddenly selling it for less.

Now now, with Microsoft's new powerful super-duper anti piracy detection thats not possible

Isn't it?

Rufus · #80 03-16-2007, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Illegal copies? I have not heard of Microsoft suddenly selling it for less.

OEM