Event Coin problem

hampy · #1 02-23-2007, 12:01 AM

Lack of events has caused event coins to raise in value from 20 diamonds to 30-35+ this is crazy... I thought we were told that more event coins would be put into the market especially since the new items came available in the coin shop, how are players supposed to craft these items if they have to pay this over the top price?

Some people will agree that more ECs should be released/more EMs should be hired and some will disagree because they are glad that they can now sell ECs for more... I am complaining about the amount of ECs which are being evented off, the amount needs to increase..

Note, I am not trying to pick a fight with any of the current EMs for not giving out enough ECs, I realise you only get given a certain amount of them and blah

More ECs, discuss

cyan3 · #2 02-23-2007, 12:05 AM

I agree, i had to buy 18 Event Coins for a Inf sword today if i didin't i will have never gotten the Event Coins.

Felix_Xenophobe · #3 02-23-2007, 12:06 AM

More EMs and more coins to play with. Either that or lower the prices in the ecshop. And some cheaper items in the shop (1-10ec).

Gothika · #4 02-23-2007, 12:07 AM

I think more ECs would be cool. Especially with the new Items.. I had to buy Gale armour because there isn't 75 Event Coins knocking around to be sold.
And no way would I pay 30-35 for each of those.

hampy · #5 02-23-2007, 12:15 AM

I just talked to a few people on GK and they seem to agree, I would like to see other peoples opinions though.

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Originally Posted by Felix_Xenophobe

More EMs and more coins to play with. Either that or lower the prices in the ecshop. And some cheaper items in the shop (1-10ec).

Yes that would be nice, although I think some people may find it unfair if the items they have made reduce in price now... hmm well GK need more EMs thats certain, I would also like to see cheaper items as you said 1-10 ECs, that would be nice for newer and poorer members, anyway it would be good if we could get a large scale debate here while Sam is gone so he is overwhelmed with the response when he gets back

Gothika · #6 02-23-2007, 12:21 AM

They wouldn't need to reduce the price of items if they just event off more ECs. If I remember correctly, they did say they were going to event off a lot of EC's to help people get the items.. Well from what I can see. Only 4 rare expensive items have been bought from the event shop since it got updated.
1 Black helm, 1 pheonix shield and 2 gale armours.

Googi · #7 02-23-2007, 12:31 AM

Some of the price of making event items should be converted to diamonds. For example, instead of it costing 45 ECs for Phoenix Shield, make it cost 15 ECs and 600 dias.

hampy · #8 02-23-2007, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Gothika

They wouldn't need to reduce the price of items if they just event off more ECs. If I remember correctly, they did say they were going to event off a lot of EC's to help people get the items.. Well from what I can see. Only 4 rare expensive items have been bought from the event shop since it got updated.
1 Black helm, 1 pheonix shield and 2 gale armours.

Yeah thats exactly my point, people arent able to get the new items because its just too hard to get the ECs, with new items more people are trying to get ECs this means that people are just hoarding them

which leads to nobody else getting them

Draenin · #9 02-23-2007, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

Some of the price of making event items should be converted to diamonds. For example, instead of it costing 45 ECs for Phoenix Shield, make it cost 15 ECs and 600 dias.

The only problem with integrating diamond costs into the shop is that it will destroy the diamonds, lowering the server's total count of them.

hampy · #10 02-23-2007, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

Some of the price of making event items should be converted to diamonds. For example, instead of it costing 45 ECs for Phoenix Shield, make it cost 15 ECs and 600 dias.

Yeah that could work out too, I like this idea actually

It would atleast stop the people to complain that diamonds are useless, they would be able to be used for other things too

hampy · #11 02-23-2007, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

The only problem with integrating diamond costs into the shop is that it will destroy the diamonds, lowering the server's total count of them.

Thats true, well perhaps you can then sell ECs for diamonds, say sell them to a NPC for 10 dias each or something.. hm, maybe that wouldnt work dunno

Gothika · #12 02-23-2007, 12:40 AM

That might work. Cutting the cost down the middle, Half ECs Hald Diamonds.
It would give Diamonds more a worth. These days they are only useful for preping weapons.

Also I've got another idea. This idea is a bit weird and most people will disagree with it. But what if they was a casino opened. (on Events island)
Where you buy chips. And Gamble to win points. And you can buy stuff with your points at the cash in. Stuff like: Diamonds, ECs, Gold Keys. ect..

hampy · #13 02-23-2007, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Gothika

Also I've got another idea. This idea is a bit weird and most people will disagree with it. But what if they was a casino opened. (on Events island)
Where you buy chips. And Gamble to win points. And you can buy stuff with your points at the cash in. Stuff like: Diamonds, ECs, Gold Keys. ect..

Damn, I can see why people would disagree with that idea lmao. I love it! Actually this would be brilliant, I can see advantages of this.Some people will say that this would not fit in with the times, but actually it would i'm pretty sure that people have gambled for ages, this would be great I agree. GK for Casino expansion!

Edit: Hm, you say on event island, perhaps this could be something that isn't an event which can be put on main and open all the time?

cyan3 · #14 02-23-2007, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Gothika

That might work. Cutting the cost down the middle, Half ECs Hald Diamonds.
It would give Diamonds more a worth. These days they are only useful for preping weapons.

Also I've got another idea. This idea is a bit weird and most people will disagree with it. But what if they was a casino opened. (on Events island)
Where you buy chips. And Gamble to win points. And you can buy stuff with your points at the cash in. Stuff like: Diamonds, ECs, Gold Keys. ect..

Damn, i love that idea it will make it more fun to get Event Coins ect.

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Originally Posted by hampy

Damn, I can see why people would disagree with that idea lmao. I love it! Actually this would be brilliant, I can see advantages of this.Some people will say that this would not fit in with the times, but actually it would i'm pretty sure that people have gambled for ages, this would be great I agree. GK for Casino expansion!

Edit: Hm, you say on event island, perhaps this could be something that isn't an event which can be put on main and open all the time?

It will fit into the times we already have card rooms and when ever i play cards with people we always bet in dia and plat.

hampy · #15 02-23-2007, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by cyan3

It will fit into the times we already have card rooms and when ever i play cards with people we always bet in dia and plat.

Yep true, very true. I'd be more than happy to work on a casino room if this idea was accepted (LAT)

cyan3 · #16 02-23-2007, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hampy

Yep true, very true. I'd be more than happy to work on a casino room if this idea was accepted (LAT)

It will also need a betting system where you put up your bets and you have to pay up.

Gothika · #17 02-23-2007, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by hampy

Edit: Hm, you say on event island, perhaps this could be something that isn't an event which can be put on main and open all the time?

I ment for it to be open the whole time. A 24/7 casino. I think the idea will give a lot to GK.

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Originally Posted by hampy

Yep true, very true. I'd be more than happy to work on a casino room if this idea was accepted (LAT)

I'd be happy to help out aswell. With levels, Graphics and Ganis.

cyan3 · #18 02-23-2007, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Gothika

I ment for it to be open the whole time. A 24/7 casino. I think the idea will give a lot to GK.

I'd be happy to help out aswell. With levels, Graphics and Ganis.

I might be able to make some levels for it.

Gothika · #19 02-23-2007, 01:11 AM

We could assemble a team. Hampy, Felix, Myself and a good scripter..
Thinking about it, it won't be to hard to make. Just a poker table, roulette, a few slot machines and other stuff..
Now that I mention it, it could take a little while to make..

Googi · #20 02-23-2007, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

The only problem with integrating diamond costs into the shop is that it will destroy the diamonds, lowering the server's total count of them.

That's why it's important to have ECs still making up a considerable part of the price. 15 ECs is a far larger percentage of total ECs than 600 diamonds is a percentage of total diamonds. Diamonds would be removed from the economy, to be sure, but there would be an "EC crisis" long before there would be anything close to a "diamond crisis".

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Originally Posted by Gothika

But what if they was a casino opened. (on Events island)
Where you buy chips. And Gamble to win points. And you can buy stuff with your points at the cash in. Stuff like: Diamonds, ECs, Gold Keys. ect..

Aside from being susceptible to abuse, allowing people to gain or even lose serious wealth through gambling seems remarkably unjust.

Draenin · #21 02-23-2007, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hampy

That might work. Cutting the cost down the middle, Half ECs Hald Diamonds.
It would give Diamonds more a worth. These days they are only useful for preping weapons.

When last I recall, they're still used as currency.

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Originally Posted by Googi

That's why it's important to have ECs still making up a considerable part of the price. 15 ECs is a far larger percentage of total ECs than 600 diamonds is a percentage of total diamonds. Diamonds would be removed from the economy, to be sure, but there would be an "EC crisis" long before there would be anything close to a "diamond crisis".

Consider that destroying 600 diamonds goes a lot faster than collecting them by hand.

jonnyrocks2 · #22 02-23-2007, 04:53 AM

Ugh, just go with the Casino idea...its better then the excuse Googi came along with...Why not fix the EC Crisis before it even happens?

To be honest, I'd prefer the casino idea, you come out poor...then you damn well did it wrong on you're luck.

cyan3 · #23 02-23-2007, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jonnyrocks2

Why not fix the EC Crisis before it even happens?

Before it even happens? It already has Event Coins are 30 dia each now and i had to pay a inf sword for 18 Event Coins today.

Googi · #24 02-23-2007, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

Consider that destroying 600 diamonds goes a lot faster than collecting them by hand.

Destroying 15 ECs goes a lot faster than collecting them "by hand." I can think of only a few items (made from boards) where collection can be argued to take less time than crafting.

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Originally Posted by jonnyrocks2

Why not fix the EC Crisis before it even happens?

It has happened, I'm making a suggestion to fix it. What guarantee do we have that a casino won't result in overproduction of ECs, diamonds, Gold Keys, etc?

Gothika · #25 02-23-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

What guarantee do we have that a casino won't result in overproduction of ECs, diamonds, Gold Keys, etc?

You've got a point. But it's just as easy to lose as it is to win. And I don't see how people can abuse it. And we could make the casino only open on weekends to make sure there isn't to many ECs flying around.

Ravenblade1979 · #26 02-23-2007, 04:01 PM

As a EM i do agree that there are EC problems. I mean we are given a set amount per refill. What they should do is lower the ec prices and maybe add other items you need to make a item in the coin shop.

On the matter of hiring more EM's. Its not that easy. YOu first have to be reccomended by Sam to I think Bjorn...then ((I think its bjorn)) says Yes or no. So its not as simple as you think. Right now with Sam on vacation its hard to get a em bag refill. I have been waiting a few days but Bjorn's busy as usual.

I read somewhere about a casino. Brilliant idea but they probably wouldn't. And they would probably make it EM run so there is no arguments over cheating and such. Which makes sense. We all know that would happen. A person would leave their machine for a second and someone would take over and they would come back and be like "hey my points (or however you would do it), you scammed them".

Gothika · #27 02-23-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

A person would leave their machine for a second and someone would take over and they would come back and be like "hey my points (or however you would do it), you scammed them".

Not unless you make it so that couldn't happen.
And It doesn't really need to be EM run. Just like casino's on over servers. You go to an NPC. Say your playing poker. And 5 chips get taken from you then if you win you get 10 chips. And with slot machines. 1 chip goes in.
And you could win. 5, 10, 50, 100 or 200 back.

Ravenblade1979 · #28 02-23-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gothika

Not unless you make it so that couldn't happen.
And It doesn't really need to be EM run. Just like casino's on over servers. You go to an NPC. Say your playing poker. And 5 chips get taken from you then if you win you get 10 chips. And with slot machines. 1 chip goes in.
And you could win. 5, 10, 50, 100 or 200 back.

Yeah I agree it doesn't need to be EM run and I was joking with someone on a name. Las Bomy on the Island to the right of Hotaru. But you would still get accusations and such. I have done so many events to know its a good idea but then the term "hacker" would lose its true meaning and ppl would start accusing all the time. Especially if they couldn't win and someone always won. I would want to run the blackjack table..lol

hampy · #29 02-23-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

I read somewhere about a casino. Brilliant idea but they probably wouldn't. And they would probably make it EM run so there is no arguments over cheating and such. Which makes sense. We all know that would happen. A person would leave their machine for a second and someone would take over and they would come back and be like "hey my points (or however you would do it), you scammed them".

Well, it could run sort of like the slot machines on Era. So basically nobody can take your winnings or w/e. I'm pretty sure a good scripter could make a system like this, obviously not slot machines cause that isn't with the times but something along those lines, it would work out well

hampy · #30 02-23-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

But you would still get accusations and such.

In that case, it would need to be made so people cant cheat at all. then if someone says they scammed it would be impossible and they would get a smack on the butt

But basically, everyones agrees more stuff needs to be added to GK, this is a great way of doing that, which most poeple agree would work out and bring more enjoyment to GK, will be interesting to see Sam and Bjorns opinion on this too.

Ravenblade1979 · #31 02-23-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hampy

But basically, everyones agrees more stuff needs to be added to GK, this is a great way of doing that

Oh yeah in a big way it would. But first lower the EC prices in Coin Shop and give more ec's to us em's

Gothika · #32 02-23-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hampy

Well, it could run sort of like the slot machines on Era. So basically nobody can take your winnings or w/e. I'm pretty sure a good scripter could make a system like this, obviously not slot machines cause that isn't with the times but something along those lines, it would work out well

Yeah, a good scripter can make it hack proof so It's all depending on chance and luck. And adding this to GK will improve the game greatly.
And that island east of Hataru would be a perfect place for it.

Ravenblade1979 · #33 02-23-2007, 04:24 PM

viva Las Bomy....lol

Crow · #34 02-23-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gothika

Yeah, a good scripter can make it hack proof so It's all depending on chance and luck. And adding this to GK will improve the game greatly.
And that island east of Hataru would be a perfect place for it.

It would also be depending on uber cool maths, because also the random values are not really random at all, but I guess I wont explain that further, would be too complicated.

hampy · #35 02-23-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

viva Las Bomy....lol

Hehe, had to take a second look before I understood what you meant. Nice

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Oh yeah in a big way it would. But first lower the EC prices in Coin Shop and give more ec's to us em's

Indeed. Yep! One thing that i'm not sure about it lowering the EC prices in the coin shop, this is because some people have already crafted items, such as the Gale Armor, spending a load of money on it... if the price of that were to drop it would seriously harm the current owners of that armor, it was suggested earlier in the thread that maybe more items could be added with lower prices, something like 1-10 EC for other items

hampy · #36 02-23-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow

It would also be depending on uber cool maths, because also the random values are not really random at all, but I guess I wont explain that further, would be too complicated.

I understand what you are saying, there would need to be a script i'm guessing that would randomly decide whether you win or lose, people have made scripts like this before I know, now i'm not a scripter but I would guess that it could be done if someone knew what they were doing. If a godlike scripter liked this idea then I would hope that they would help out, looks towards Stefan

Felix_Xenophobe · #37 02-23-2007, 04:32 PM

Maybe some belt with stats. ;o

Gothika · #38 02-23-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hampy

Indeed. Yep! One thing that i'm not sure about it lowering the EC prices in the coin shop, this is because some people have already crafted items, such as the Gale Armor, spending a load of money on it... if the price of that were to drop it would seriously harm the current owners of that armor, it was suggested earlier in the thread that maybe more items could be added with lower prices, something like 1-10 EC for other items

Yeah, that idea is good with the 1-10 EC items. Or maybe have a shop where you can buy parts. 1-10 EC's each.
Like a blade, a hilt ect. And It eventally can be crafted into a weapon. Depending on what Hilt and blade you've chosen.

Crow · #39 02-23-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hampy

I understand what you are saying, there would need to be a script i'm guessing that would randomly decide whether you win or lose, people have made scripts like this before I know, now i'm not a scripter but I would guess that it could be done if someone knew what they were doing. If a godlike scripter liked this idea then I would hope that they would help out, looks towards Stefan

Im not talking about gscript, Im talking about general coding. There is something for "random" values already, but still, not even that thing is random, it just looks like it actually is

Already implented to Graal btw, for years.

jonnyrocks2 · #40 02-23-2007, 04:35 PM

*Pets the slot machine* x3

Lets make it happen... I wanna gamble on GK.