Bell, the New PWA? - Page 10

Devil · #**136** 02-12-2007, 03:00 AM

You didn't prove your point, it's a stupid point you made. Show Andy what business became successful from only hiring friends?

Someone mentioned earlier that Houdini isn't head of PWA, who is then? and shouldn't Houdini be told of these things?

What if Houdini had an inability to work alongside Bell because of personal issues, was anyone going to bring this up to Houdini before she was hired.. maybe atleast ASK his opinion on the matter? Ofcourse not, this is Graal.

Rufus · #**137** 02-12-2007, 03:04 AM

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Someone mentioned earlier that Houdini isn't head of PWA, who is then? and shouldn't Houdini be told of these things?

Ibonic.

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What if Houdini had an inability to work alongside Bell because of personal issues, was anyone going to bring this up to Houdini before she was hired.. maybe atleast ASK his opinion on the matter? Ofcourse not, this is Graal.

That's his problem really, isn't it? I'm not sure if you actually know Bell, but maybe you should research how many people don't get on with her before assuming things like this.

Andy0687 · #**138** 02-12-2007, 03:04 AM

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Secondly, on how many other games do you get job applications handed out?

Almost every single one actually.

Blizzard always has applications out for Game Masters
Gravity does also

I could go on and on, just because there are MORE jobs on graal they can hire for, dosent mean no other company ever does.

The only thing is, with the other buisnesses, you have to have to APPLY and GET HIRED by having a certain set of SKILLS.

Devil · #**139** 02-12-2007, 03:05 AM

It's called an example of a possibility, you are still not understanding.

Darlene159 · #**140** 02-12-2007, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil

Someone mentioned earlier that Houdini isn't head of PWA, who is then? and shouldn't Houdini be told of these things?

What if Houdini had an inability to work alongside Bell because of personal issues, was anyone going to bring this up to Houdini before she was hired.. maybe atleast ASK his opinion on the matter? Ofcourse not, this is Graal.

I don't think there is a pwa admin, but Houdiniman should have been told/consulted with (unless there is some very good reason why they didn't), this I agree with as he will be working with her.

xXziroXx · #**141** 02-12-2007, 03:05 AM

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You didn't prove your point, it's a stupid point you made. Show Andy what business became successful from only hiring friends?

Someone mentioned earlier that Houdini isn't head of PWA, who is then? and shouldn't Houdini be told of these things?

What if Houdini had an inability to work alongside Bell because of personal issues, was anyone going to bring this up to Houdini before she was hired.. maybe atleast ASK his opinion on the matter? Ofcourse not, this is Graal.

A friend to a close friend of mine owns a snowboarding business that exists out of 2 shops plus another facility where you can pay for private lessons to learn how to snowboard. I think they are 6 or 7 people running it all, and guess what - all of them except ONE have been friends since they were kids. They make quite some money too.. except this year, since the snow didnt really come until the middle of January.

And the question here wasnt about Houdini being head of PWA or not, it was about hiring friends just because they were friends with you.

Rufus · #**142** 02-12-2007, 03:06 AM

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Almost every single one actually.

Blizzard always has applications out for Game Masters
Gravity does also

I could go on and on, just because there are MORE jobs on graal they can hire for, dosent mean no other company ever does.

The only thing is, with the other buisnesses, you have to have to APPLY and GET HIRED by having a certain set of SKILLS.

Find me some links of servers that aren't private based.

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It's called an example of a possibility, you are still not understanding.

Your example is void, do you believe that this kind of rubbish wasn't thought through? Was she hired straight off the bat? I don't think so. They have been friends for over 5 years now.

Devil · #**143** 02-12-2007, 03:07 AM

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A friend to a close friend of mine owns a snowboarding business that exists out of 2 shops plus another facility where you can pay for private lessons to learn how to snowboard. I think they are 6 or 7 people running it all, and guess what - all of them except ONE have been friends since they were kids. They make quite some money too.. except this year, since the snow didnt really come until the middle of January.

And the question here wasnt about Houdini being head of PWA or not, it was about hiring friends just because they were friends with you.

Obviously I'm pointing out flaws with this whole ordeal with Bell, PWA etc..
I can bring up Houdini if I want too.

There is no proof there in your first statement, I own 17 Taco Bell stores, I have 10 million dollars, I am a success.

xXziroXx · #**144** 02-12-2007, 03:12 AM

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Obviously I'm pointing out flaws with this whole ordeal with Bell, PWA etc..
I can bring up Houdini if I want too.

There is no proof there in your first statement, I own 17 Taco Bell stores, I have 10 million dollars, I am a success.

Whatever. Im tired, im going to bed. Obviously there is flaws in the current PWA team, but atleast they are showing signs of improvements. Hiring Bell was just the first step towards a bigger goal.. but last time I checked, Houdini was head of PWA and I am not aware of a change in that. It is very odd that he was not aware of the hiring of Bell until he read it on the forums.

But instead of pointing out the flaws and whining about it, how about trying to help Stefan & Co. to fix it by being a little more positive and giving ideas on how too improve.

Andy0687 · #**145** 02-12-2007, 03:14 AM

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Find me some links of servers that aren't private based.

Go to Blizzards website, click EMPLOYMENT.
Go to Ragnaroks website, click EMPLOYMENT.

Pretty easy to follow to me.

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They have been friends for over 5 years now.

I dont see what this has to do with anything. Now you are basing the legitimacy of her hiring on the fact they have been friends for awhile?

This just gets worse.

Devil · #**146** 02-12-2007, 03:14 AM

Lol, that's easy to help Graal, from my country anyway, but why should I give ideas, which I have in the past, for them to just be forgotten about and go down the drain. The company has to help itself. I wonder how many prospective customers have viewed these forums and said "Stuff this, these guys aren't getting my money" and moved onto other, better games.

Anyway, Rufus, would you be saying the things you are if you weren't friends with Ibonic and Bell?

You seem to think that myself, Lord Sep and Andy are friends or something, we don't talk on Graal, AIM, MSN or on the forums, we're just a bunch of people who all feel the same way, whereas you're up Ibonic and Bells' so we know why you have those opinions you have.

killerogue · #**147** 02-12-2007, 03:15 AM

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Hiring Bell was just the first step towards a bigger goal.

Sensible as I said before. This hiring could lead to Stefan and Unix trusting players again to hold global positions. Tho, I am agreeing with Devil, James and Sephiroth.

Devil · #**148** 02-12-2007, 03:17 AM

Also, I am not ripping on her credibility, nor am I bagging her, so I can understand that this thread is still open for that reason, and I respect that, it's about time we could have some decent discussions around here without crap being closed every second.

Rufus · #**149** 02-12-2007, 03:22 AM

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Go to Blizzards website, click EMPLOYMENT.
Go to Ragnaroks website, click EMPLOYMENT.

That is extremely different to advertising on a forum. They're advertising employment on a corporate site for game developers outside of the game.

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I dont see what this has to do with anything. Now you are basing the legitimacy of her hiring on the fact they have been friends for awhile?

No. "Was she hired straight off the bat? I don't think so." is what is being implied, which isn't the case. You're giving off the impression she was hired straight away, as though she made friends with Ibonic, stuck her head up his ass and got a job. This is not the case either

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Anyway, Rufus, would you be saying the things you are if you weren't friends with Ibonic and Bell?

You seem to think that myself, Lord Sep and Andy are friends or something, we don't talk on Graal, AIM, MSN or on the forums, we're just a bunch of people who all feel the same way, whereas you're up Ibonic and Bells' so we know why you have those opinions you have.

You seem to believe have some twisted interpretation of friendship, I don't know, maybe you're not familiar with it but I don't believe, not have I ever had to have my head up someone's ass to be their friend. Also, you'd think I were Bell's best friend the way you're going on, I'm not I just understand why she is what she is now. Yes, I would be saying the same thing, even if I hated both of them, because I respect both of them and what they do.

Andy0687 · #**150** 02-12-2007, 03:31 AM

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That is extremely different to advertising on a forum. They're advertising employment on a corporate site for game developers outside of the game.

Some positions are not development, on Ragnaroks site you can see they had a post for GM hiring.

Im not sure of all the positions that Blizzard has but I can tell from a quick glance that they are all not development.

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No. "Was she hired straight off the bat? I don't think so." is what is being implied, which isn't the case. You're giving off the impression she was hired straight away, as though she made friends with Ibonic, stuck her head up his ass and got a job. This is not the case either

I dont even want to arugue with this because now you are just making stuff up. No one has even tried to say that stuff.

Ugh. why do you have to be so complicated and just realise what points we are trying to make. Everyone knew from the Getgo that Bell and Ibonic must have been good friends.

This is just how it happens historically.
Nemesis hired Kisharha didnt he?
So what if its different, the basis the same.

They didnt even try to amuse their community.