What drove you away from Graal? - Page 2

Tyhm · #41 01-31-2007, 09:05 AM

The One Step Plan:
Offer a specific exception to the No Passwords For Ghosts policy, allowing newbies on Classic (and ONLY on Classic) to save their Quests Completed Status (and ONLY their Quests Completed Status). Possibly only to a certain number of quests completed.

This will necessarily - make Classic official again - bring Newbies back to the game - raise Classic's playercount to its Free day levels - increase the playerbase again as Graal can advertise itself as a Free Online Game (with buyable perks like Saving Anywhere Without Passwords, For Life) - bring prestige back to the office of Classic LAT - bring responsibility to the Classic Admin Staff (as, with the eyes of the world on you, you have to at least Appear to be doing your job - I think those parties responsible know who they are) - bring in new talent - bring back old/in new quests - create a single iconic server again that Graal can be proud of.

All without needing Stefan or Unixmad to do anything more than allow it.

But it'll never happen.

Hawk · #42 01-31-2007, 09:13 AM

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increase the playerbase again as Graal can advertise itself as a Free Online Game

ha ...ha.
Dream on.

Lord Sephiroth · #43 01-31-2007, 09:52 AM

Although the cool thing for me to do would be to blame Administration and Globals driving me away from Graal, that was never really the case because I never really gave a damn about what any of them thought.

Although I still technically play graal (Mostly as a Developer/Manager of Babylon), if I wasn't Managing Babylon, I wouldn't be on Graal right now at all. This is mostly because of the disolving community.

When I look back over my 7 years (7 years next week

), I have a lot of memories of times spent with my friends doing stupid stuff like holding live plays in the events house or holding auctions for something like 5 bombs. That was back in a time when people cared about Guilds, when Guilds had Wars, when Sparring meant something to people and when anything you did on Graal actually had a purpose.

At this point, there is no community involvement. I log on every day and I see servers with people that are in it for themselves, getting the NPCs, sparring a bit, PKing a bit, but generally using Graal as a chat program. No one works together or anything like that, at least not that I've seen.

I miss those days, those days when a total newb could log on and make a bunch of friends just by being there, instead of getting asslamed by overpowered idiots outside of the Start house or lagged to death by terrible scripting.

Back then, (I'm thinking mostly of Enigma), we didn't need big scripts or badass levels to enjoy ourselves. I don't know what happened over the years, but nothing is like that anymore. I'd rather not spend all my time on a chat program with people that are only in it for themselves.

That's what drove me away.

WanDaMan · #44 01-31-2007, 11:01 AM

The gameplay, it doesn't matter tough; I prefer to develop rather than play.

ViperZakuto · #45 01-31-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyhm

The One Step Plan:
Offer a specific exception to the No Passwords For Ghosts policy, allowing newbies on Classic (and ONLY on Classic) to save their Quests Completed Status (and ONLY their Quests Completed Status). Possibly only to a certain number of quests completed.

This will necessarily - make Classic official again - bring Newbies back to the game - raise Classic's playercount to its Free day levels - increase the playerbase again as Graal can advertise itself as a Free Online Game (with buyable perks like Saving Anywhere Without Passwords, For Life) - bring prestige back to the office of Classic LAT - bring responsibility to the Classic Admin Staff (as, with the eyes of the world on you, you have to at least Appear to be doing your job - I think those parties responsible know who they are) - bring in new talent - bring back old/in new quests - create a single iconic server again that Graal can be proud of.

All without needing Stefan or Unixmad to do anything more than allow it.

But it'll never happen.

they said something like this "is being worked on." hopefully it comes sooner than later.

Darklux · #46 01-31-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

they said something like this "is being worked on." hopefully it comes sooner than later.

Not with graal.

Why?
Look at the count of abandoned official projects and the count of official graal developers.

PrinceDark · #47 01-31-2007, 12:48 PM

Lack of updates.
Decreased playercount.
Horrible playerworld management all around from Global Administration down to the lowest FAQ possible.

Less fun.

Devil · #48 01-31-2007, 02:15 PM

Hopefully the admins look at this, and change their tune. Hopefully

soulwazza · #49 01-31-2007, 05:05 PM

I blame Hell Raven

nikomi946 · #50 01-31-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by soulwazza

I blame Hell Raven

Haha, who will be next to be added to the blame list. Prior victims were Massokre, Ventrue, Storm, p2p and yes, even Bell.
-Bell

soulwazza · #51 01-31-2007, 05:14 PM

"Haha, who will be next to be added to the blame list. Prior victims were Massokre, Ventrue, Storm, p2p and yes, even Bell.
-Bell"
No just Hell Raven for me

Spark910 · #52 01-31-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyhm

But it'll never happen.

I think it'll be easier, and cooler, to have a world built just for trials/allowing new players on to stay. That way you can control the content, don't need to add new things to the client, edit classic (which is already the case, classic has enough work to do) and has more chance of being accepted.

Sort of like the old offline, but much larger and perhaps a weeks worth of entertainment with set times and days each week with events being held (usual event house style events).

Chuck in some spar rooms, and good quality instruction and guides, and it'll be perfect and purpose built! If no one does this I may have to do it myself at summer, but someone should really start it now

Tyhm · #53 01-31-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Spark910

I think it'll be easier, and cooler, to have a world built just for trials/allowing new players on to stay. That way you can control the content, don't need to add new things to the client, edit classic (which is already the case, classic has enough work to do) and has more chance of being accepted.

Sort of like the old offline, but much larger and perhaps a weeks worth of entertainment with set times and days each week with events being held (usual event house style events).

Chuck in some spar rooms, and good quality instruction and guides, and it'll be perfect and purpose built! If no one does this I may have to do it myself at summer, but someone should really start it now

Already started on it.
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=69338

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Originally Posted by Hawk

ha ...ha.
Dream on.

No, really. If Graal has even 1 server that's legitimately Freeware - one where you don't even have to sign up for a Global Lifetime Registration - sure, we have the usual Hax0rz problems again on that one server, but Graal can also advertise that world as Freeware. Which means all those players that miss the days when there was only 1 server, and it was free, and it was official, and it had quests, and it had newbies, and when you got bored you could PK...you can do that on the Free server. And since the Free Server will always be on the top of the list, you can just ignore the "If only you had Gold, you could play Zone too..." worlds...log onto Hubworld/Newbieworld/ClassicRevival, type in your latest password (MHILUTLFGF98798689) to restore your account up to the end of the last quest you did (with all the fullhearts and swords and shields and whatnot that entails), then continue PKing.

Hawk · #54 01-31-2007, 08:47 PM

I understand all that, I just don't think it would ever fly.

Tyhm · #55 01-31-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawk

I understand all that, I just don't think it would ever fly.

Yeah...the one thing the top 2 need to do to make it possible, they'll never do. Stefan's "working on something" to make it unnecessary, though he won't even tell me what it is, and Unixmad seems to be still in the camp of "If you give the product away, nobody will pay for it! It seems dumb to me."

Hawk · #56 01-31-2007, 10:00 PM

Well if there's one server where newbies can play and save (somewhat) then eventually they are going to subscribe, which means more players buying the "product" as well as more players actually playing the game.

Andy0687 · #57 01-31-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawk

Well if there's one server where newbies can play and save (somewhat) then eventually they are going to subscribe, which means more players buying the "product" as well as more players actually playing the game.

we arent dealing with your normal everyday product and normal everyday salesmen.

They would be better off relying strictly on Brand Loyalty, those of us who have stuck around even when things were bad.

Crono · #58 01-31-2007, 11:24 PM

nothing drove me away, but we all know what keeps making me sad.

Minoc · #59 01-31-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

nothing drove me away, but we all know what keeps making me sad.

You miss Malinko?

Inverness · #60 02-01-2007, 12:02 AM

Uh, what exactly happened with Malinko?

Minoc · #61 02-01-2007, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

Uh, what exactly happened with Malinko?

Fake dagger NPC.

pooper200000 · #62 02-01-2007, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Nothing drove me away from Graal, although I don't play as much because of some of the players.
Graal as a whole is a great game, and has many possabilities.
That's pretty sad.

You play graal? I think the pictures gone now.

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Originally Posted by Minoc

Fake dagger NPC.

??

Stephen · #63 02-01-2007, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pooper200000

??

It's a part of our heritage.

Unpredlctable · #64 02-01-2007, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Minoc

Fake dagger NPC.

LOL Minoc I love you. Marry me?

Minoc · #65 02-01-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Unpredlctable

LOL Minoc I love you. Marry me?

You're too new. :[

Unpredlctable · #66 02-02-2007, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Minoc

You're too new. :[

FINE, get out of my house!
I HATE YOU I HATE YOU

Door · #67 02-02-2007, 10:08 PM

All my friends were going away and I was kinda poor

Darklux · #68 02-04-2007, 08:09 PM

Lacking attractivity of gold playerworlds, hardly any good classic worlds, annoying people,
broken promises (g3d, and so on),
missing development tools for linux...

Should I go on? Its endless!

excaliber7388 · #69 02-04-2007, 08:28 PM

-Admins' attitude towards their customers
-Lack of Mac Dev tools (and a universal client)
It's too bad, they were getting quite a bit out of me yearly, what with VIP and my playerworld.

Draenin · #70 02-04-2007, 10:21 PM

Running out of Gold / Unexpected Computer Problems

zephirot · #71 02-04-2007, 10:48 PM

My friends, My life.

And my dad also.