Equipment Show; Hide

[Felix_Xenophobe]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Well it's not the problem of not having enough variety, the problem is that players always want higher stats. A better solution would be to introduce items of the same stats but different look ?

sounds good

[Sam]

Originally Posted by jonnyrocks2

Yea...I don't see the point in hiding a weapon...thats epically retarded IMHO.

I take that back..There might be some points to that, but in the most case its not really needed...but the armor...theres some armors that are epically ugly, and just deserves to be hidden, like the plate mail of Balor. xD

Otherwise, Hide shield, and armor is all thats left to be enabled for hidden mode. =p

Sam, I can also point out several reasons that statement isn't entirely...well...needed.

Because you and some others don't agree with my statement doesn't implies it is not needed. This is a forum and forums are made to make statements.

Graal Kingdoms is not Zone, it is untill now still a ROLEPLAY server so far I remember.
When you play your role and fight against somebody you need to defend, that means you need to wear armour, like a helmet.
So why it make sense to hide helmets and cloaks but not weapons and body armour? I miss the logic.

[Waltz5]

Originally Posted by Sam

When you play your role and fight against somebody you need to defend, that means you need to wear armour, like a helmet.
So why it make sense to hide helmets and cloaks but not weapons and body armour? I miss the logic.

GK isn't real and this is something the majority of the players wanted?

Originally Posted by Stefan

A better solution would be to introduce items of the same stats but different look ?

Not a bad idea... as it stands now you can't realistically fight without speed or a FHoM. Same goes with PMoP.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Waltz5

GK isn't real and this is something the majority of the players wanted?

And if the majority want to delete the kingdoms or change GK from RP server to a PK server it has to happen? Very logical!

[Waltz5]

Originally Posted by Sam

And if the majority want to delete the kingdoms or change GK from RP server to a PK server it has to happen? Very logical!

Not quite, you do things that players/customers want that are feasible and the staff feel is still appropriate. They are paying to play and our your customers. Sorry for not explaining myself, I felt it was common sense.

Btw I really don't get you referring to it as a RP server and not a PK server... I really think that line has become quite blurred on GK and it's hard to put a label on the server.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Waltz5

Not quite, you do things that players/customers want that are feasible and the staff feel is still appropriate. They are paying to play and our your customers. Sorry for not explaining myself, I felt it was common sense.

Btw I really don't get you referring to it as a RP server and not a PK server... I really think that line has become quite blurred on GK and it's hard to put a label on the server.

It's easy, just read the description of GK in the wiki. Perhaps you are right that line became blurred, but it that really a reason to destroy it more and more?

Whatever Stefan is the manager and if he think it fits he has his reasons. I've just shared my thoughts.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Sam

When you play your role and fight against somebody you need to defend, that means you need to wear armour, like a helmet.
So why it make sense to hide helmets and cloaks but not weapons and body armour? I miss the logic.

I know this is going to come as a surprise to you Sam, as I would guess from your previous statements you've not put much thought into your posts, but a user who wishes to RP can.... in fact... show their armor. If a community of users wish to RP they can all selectively choose to display their items rather than hide them.

If anything, this opens the door to the majority of users who don't LOLRP and wish to have decent looking characters.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Stephen

I know this is going to come as a surprise to you Sam, as I would guess from your previous statements you've not put much thought into your posts, but a user who wishes to RP can.... in fact... show their armor. If a community of users wish to RP they can all selectively choose to display their items rather than hide them.

If anything, this opens the door to the majority of users who don't LOLRP and wish to have decent looking characters.

It's not a surprise to read that from you Stephen as I never saw you RP.
Stefan can make disable all stats on armour and just have a tableau to change the stats we've earned. Now we do not to take care anymore for any look, we can choose whatever we want to wear and being all equal looking.
This hide improvment set back the server a lot.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Sam

It's not a surprise to read that from you Stephen as I never saw you RP.

Really? That's probably because you've only been playing six months, or something.

Originally Posted by Sam

Stefan can make disable all stats on armour and just have a tableau to change the stats we've earned. Now we do not to take care anymore for any look, we can choose whatever we want to wear and being all equal looking.

Yea, all of those different heads, bodies, and hairs sure don't count.

[Draenin]

I never got an answer for the question I raised, Stefan. Would it be possible to make body armor and shields hideable as well?

(Hiding the shield would disable the player from holding it out.)

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Really? That's probably because you've only been playing six months, or something.

Sam = Schlurfy (or spelt something like that )

Originally Posted by Sam

This is a forum and forums are made to make statements.

You mean very limited statements.

[Sulukra]

Originally Posted by Sam

When you play your role and fight against somebody you need to defend, that means you need to wear armour, like a helmet.
So why it make sense to hide helmets and cloaks but not weapons and body armour? I miss the logic.

It so happens that graphics are not required to RP.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Sulukra

It so happens that graphics are not required to RP.

This is coming from one of the frequenters of Valikorlia, Graal's flagship roleplaying server. Make note of that.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Draenin

This is coming from one of the frequenters of Valikorlia, Graal's flagship roleplaying server. Make note of that.

Hey I've been on Val since 2002. Why don't you note my RP comments. :[

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Hey I've been on Val since 2002. Why don't you note my RP comments. :[

You might want to point out which ones those were.

[Sulukra]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Hey I've been on Val since 2002. Why don't you note my RP comments. :[

I admit to only be playing since 2003, but I still feel the need to provide an exmaple for my previous statement.

Say I want to RP a character on GK that has a streak of blue, pink and green hair (Though I'm not sure why I'd want to). I could RP this character without the actual hair GFX, by stating in an OOC statement if it ever arised (or was talked about) ICly. Thats what we do most of the time on Val - or is often done/said by staff, but most people still get uploads. However, it can be done.

[Draenin]

The only thing image appearance actually effects is weapons, because they have range. It's not like the shields actually work.

[ReBorn_Spirit]

A nice addition would be the ability to set your shield to stand on your arm or on your back. I really do not think I would even want to carry a 75 pound shield on my .. ever.. for that matter.

I could probably help with the Gani problems with the cloak being over the shield, it looks so much better on the side view when the shield is overthe cloak like it should be, though now I have my cloak invislble.

[Ravenblade1979]

Sam just because we have the hide option for a few things don't mean it will affect rping on gk...in fact i see very little..the only thing it will do is bother pkers.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Sam just because we have the hide option for a few things don't mean it will affect rping on gk...in fact i see very little..the only thing it will do is bother pkers.

I've said what I wanted to say about this topic, beside this I don't think PKers will be bothered by this, 'cos its irrelevant for PKing if its visible or not.

[jonnyrocks2]

Sam...

Look, theres certain reasons that hide armor might be good, like for those of us that want that D&D effect style of "Armor Skin" which also means being a bit more resilient to injuries "without armor", while wearing armor thats not visible to give this effect, basically.

Otherwise, I really don't see the reason on why its a bad idea, where is it that it states we should go and be all "LETS GO PKZ! LULZ!"? Eh?

In effect, without hide armor, we can be doing a double bladed sword on this topic of:

A) Hindering possible additions to the Roleplay bits of the server.
B) Influencing more PKing on the server.

While B is less likely, A is the most serious of the two, so we must tread lightly regarding the armor bit.

Another reason might be because of how ugly some of the armors are...PMoB, PMoP are examples...PMoB is a unsightly shade of pink, and the PMoP is just a dead ugly shade of bright blue, so I can see why people want the hide feature so badly, but I just don't see the reason that staff want to not bring it in.

Sure theres the possibility of increased PK, but theres the Roleplayers characters that also have to be taken into consideration...Like, Does it benefit their character?

The point I'm trying to make is, we shouldn't jump to conclusions regarding ideas, rather we should tread lightly regarding it, but at the same time, as I said, not jump to conclusions regarding how the idea will affect things until we actually know how it will do so.

I'm sorry if you don't see it the way I do, but the fact is, it is a role play server, and therefore we need the options to further expand the roleplay, not the rejection of ideas that can expand upon the roleplay. If we arn't going to expand the options, then we might as well and write off the server for the junk heap.

Thank you for you're time to reading my response.

( Havn't read the recent ones, only the one in response. )

[myth-simba]

Originally Posted by OasaTor_PK

Well, im sure some people will agree with this, and some will not. But I am sure this is something that I would find very useful.

There are lots of graphics on which people WANT to see, and there is more than 90% people DONT want to see. The ability to have an item show or not show would bring back graphical diversity, seeing everyone in PMoP and FHoM is getting rather old.

Example of how the UI could look;



Of course, you could also add armor to show/not show.

As for now, I think an option for Cloak + Helmet to show or not show would be very useful, and it is part of 2 of the other mmo's I play, and it is very useful.

Not enough is hidable. I have an ugly ice shield and i want that hidden. It could be too. the only time you'd need to see a shield is when you are blocking eh? so make the shield block visible but keep rest hidden. Also i do not see point in hiding cloaks. They give nice animation over your character and most of the back of normal cloths are ugly. Amulets and boots and stuff should get their own gfx and shown on character somehow but hey this is graal. We'd have to wait at least half a century for that lol

[jonnyrocks2]

ALTHOUGH, more animation to the cloak would be nice...sideways stance has no animation what so ever. :/