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Old 11-28-2006, 01:27 AM
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The trouble isn't a lack of inspiration but a lack of cooperation. There's no good reason for anyone to help you make Your racing server - you get a good NAT/LAT, they work their tails off, then one of 'em says there should be...I dunno, a Chocobo knockoff. You say no, he says yes, you forbid it, he uploads it anyway, you delete it and fire him, and keep his work, he tries to make his own but the PWAs won't let him use "stolen" work from your server even though he made it. No, much better for ChocoBoy to just make his own server from the outset.

Solve this issue, and Graal shall live forever.
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Old 11-28-2006, 01:30 AM
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The trouble isn't a lack of inspiration but a lack of cooperation. There's no good reason for anyone to help you make Your racing server - you get a good NAT/LAT, they work their tails off, then one of 'em says there should be...I dunno, a Chocobo knockoff. You say no, he says yes, you forbid it, he uploads it anyway, you delete it and fire him, and keep his work, he tries to make his own but the PWAs won't let him use "stolen" work from your server even though he made it. No, much better for ChocoBoy to just make his own server from the outset.

Solve this issue, and Graal shall live forever.
Yeah.
You have to either pay your scripter or give your scripter management, or things won't work.
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Old 11-28-2006, 09:37 AM
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I'd be worried about little things. Level links, how fast you can really go across Graal with loadscreens, etc. Then again, with flying technology, anything's possible.

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You have to either pay your scripter or give your scripter management, or things won't work.
Right, exactly. And it's all fine to say that managers should wise up and be more flexible, give their staffers a say equal to their work in the shared product, as well as share any hypothetical future profits from said work, but they're under no default obligation to - "it's MY server you've poured your sweat and blood into, and if I say it's going to throw nukeshots and lizardswords to people at random, you have to live with it!"
Disenfranchised, that's the word.
So do we by default say they can take their work with them? They have to let the admin keep a copy, but they can open their own server and try to make it work? Then we have two servers branching in two directions - they insist they're irreconcilably different directions, so they should be two vastly different servers, right? But each wants the other to fail so they can swipe their opponent's playerbase...

I think that's the whole problem right there - Graal shares a small pool of players, and everyone competes over the Graalians. Graal really needs to release these customizable frontends, so Delteria can release a Delteria client (which is just a customized Graal) on the Delteria website (which is just a template hosted from graal.net) and start bringing in Delterians (which are just newbies who haven't realized their Delteria account works on all these other servers yet, and for the same price)...then maybe we'll see servers that stand alone, servers that are worth upgrading for "Just for Zone" instead of "Well, I DO get access to all 10 servers for this price..."
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Old 11-28-2006, 06:30 PM
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I think that's the whole problem right there - Graal shares a small pool of players, and everyone competes over the Graalians. Graal really needs to release these customizable frontends, so Delteria can release a Delteria client (which is just a customized Graal) on the Delteria website (which is just a template hosted from graal.net) and start bringing in Delterians (which are just newbies who haven't realized their Delteria account works on all these other servers yet, and for the same price)...then maybe we'll see servers that stand alone, servers that are worth upgrading for "Just for Zone" instead of "Well, I DO get access to all 10 servers for this price..."
That could potentially be a great idea, however, I don't think it would do all too well. Cyberjours barely pays for advertisement for themselves, this would basically have them asking classic servers to pay for their own advertisement. Just putting up a download link on the Delteria website wouldn't help too much, of coarse they have the most active forums of any Graal server, but that's because of players from the passed, and some players from other servers meaning the only people who would see the link on the Delteria website are people who already know about Graal. Not to mention the fact that it could potentially disuade certain players from playing Graal at all, especially using Delteria as an example.

Let's say Delteria payed gamefaq's for advertising space and a bunch of people downloaded the "Delteria Client." I dunno if you've logged on to Delteria lately, but unless you already know what Graal is, it has nothing to offer right now. It's purely a spar/pk server, players log on and start with 10 hearts and a level 2 sword with no quests to do (although I think quests may be reinstated on the server sometime soon, with the possible addition of some new quests for a level 3 sword and an extra heart). This is also ontop of the fact that it averages a playercount of 0 - 10 so there's not even anybody to talk to. If I had never played Graal before and was introduced to the game with Delteria I would probably never play the game again.

However for servers such as Zodiac, Unholy Nation, and Era this idea would be amazing to attract new players, however I doubt they'd be as motivated as Delterians to pay for their own advertisement. I know that there are people on Delteria (myself being one of them) that would shell out a few bucks and pool in with other player/staff to advertise to try and raise the playercount, hell the Dev server for Delteria is hosted by players not management, but there's no need for the servers with better content to do so because they already have a playercount.

I think it would be a good idea for Cyberjours to pay a few bucks to get a banner put somewhere on gamefaq's, especially with the release of the new Zelda game there's gonna be a lot of Zelda fans surfing the gaming sites in the coming months. I would also like to see links from the graalonline website to individual server sites, these things would help the playercount of all servers, and although Cyberjours may claim that they "can't afford advertisement" I really think that they'd pull in more money from new accounts than they would be spending on a few months of advertisement. Even if they only got 20 new p2p subscribers, that's $600 which is more than enough to pay for a couple of months of advertising space, and that's if Graal is still only $30 for an account.
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Old 11-28-2006, 06:53 PM
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Holy Christ, $30???

Mine was $19.

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Old 11-28-2006, 07:13 PM
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Holy Christ, $30???

Mine was $19.

Inflation sucks.
I payed $19 for my 6Burning6Church6 and Grease_Man2 account back in 2000/2001...whenever they put in that stupid ghost stuff...But I'm pretty sure I payed $29 for this account right here in 2004.
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