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[Googi]

Originally Posted by Shaun

So the panel of experts could have their own educated input?

Drop the rolley eyes, we're legit experts. My educated input is that calling him M. Portha isn't impressing anybody, least of all Unix.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Googi

Drop the rolley eyes, we're legit experts.

And then if you're a legit expert you'd understand why it's beneficial to have a private discussion with an executive to formulate a plan before presenting it to a committee (your panel of "experts"). Can't have too many chefs in the kitchen at first.

I just think him and I can have a quick couple conversations exploring different models, seeing what he likes, customizing it to GraalOnline's situation, and then I guess it's really up to him if he wants a committee to review it.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Shaun

And then if you're a legit expert you'd understand why it's beneficial to have a private discussion with an executive to formulate a plan before presenting it to a committee (your panel of "experts").

I might be able to see how it could be beneficial for someone to.

[konidias]

Originally Posted by Googi

I might be able to see how it could be beneficial for someone to.

mmmm brownie points...

But seriously... let's not go off topic here. Shaun, this isn't supposed to be an opportunity for you to snuggle up with Unixmad. We're just supposed to be throwing some ideas out there. I'm sure you have tons of great ideas that nobody else here could think of, so please share with the rest of the class.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by konidias

mmmm brownie points...

But seriously... let's not go off topic here. Shaun, this isn't supposed to be an opportunity for you to snuggle up with Unixmad. We're just supposed to be throwing some ideas out there. I'm sure you have tons of great ideas that nobody else here could think of, so please share with the rest of the class.

I'm not trying to snuggle up to Unixmad. I don't want a position at CyberJoueurs or GraalOnline. I think the whole staff thing is stupid and really don't want all that responsibility. I am a student and professor's assistant in the Department of Economics at the School of Business at my university and it would be beneficial for me to get work experience when I apply to law school.

I think GraalOnline needs to move back a bit. Remember the GServers, when people were sprouting off their own worlds? I think GraalOnline would financially do best capitalizing off that. They're losing lots of profit from server costs. Licensing GServer software would both cut costs and increase revenue. It was the natural evolution for GraalOnline, commercially, and I don't know why they went down the path they did.

Again, it's difficult to just spout off every possibility of how to approach this, and that's why the details would need to be discussed with Unixmad, to see what direction he wants to go in, because it's all really open ended.

[konidias]

Shaun, the point I'm trying to make is that Graal got this way because the players weren't being heard. Asking Unixmad to talk in private about how to improve Graal is taking yet another step backwards. We don't need any more people privately planning the future of Graal. :/

[Lord Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Shaun

professor's assistant in the Department of Economics at the School of Business at my university and it would be beneficial for me to get work experience when I apply to law school.

That sure sounds like a fancy way to say you mark stuff and fetch coffee.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Lord Sephiroth

That sure sounds like a fancy way to say you mark stuff and fetch coffee.

No, I do research and help prepare/discuss lectures and papers.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Shaun

They're losing lots of profit from server costs.

I'm not convinced that these costs are very high seeing as hardly any of the playerworlds people paid to create are very extensive or consume much bandwidth (because they pretty much just have some idling RCs, at most). If you license GServer software (at a lower price than the server rental fees), the number of people who would stop renting servers because they no longer have to could potentially be large, and I doubt that very many people not already renting servers would want to buy the software. Plus there would be piracy concerns.

[konidias]

Originally Posted by Googi

I'm not convinced that these costs are very high seeing as hardly any of the playerworlds people paid to create are very extensive or consume much bandwidth (because they pretty much just have some idling RCs, at most). If you license GServer software (at a lower price than the server rental fees), the number of people who would stop renting servers because they no longer have to could potentially be large, and I doubt that very many people not already renting servers would want to buy the software. Plus there would be piracy concerns.

I tried to explain this to him over AIM. There are like 100 private playerworlds with 0 players on them right now. How much could that seriously be costing Graal? That's $10,000 if all 100 of those are 1 year rentals. I highly doubt it's costing $10,000 to host 0 playercount servers.

Graal's main drain in funding would be hosting the gold/classic servers/website and forums, as well as office rental, paying staff, and whatever other fees they might have that are unrelated to playerworld hosting. His idea is for Graal to basically remove the Classic list and host only the gold servers... and then charge people for gservers in which they would have to pay for their own hosting but they could make up their own rules and charge people to play there. Like I told him, they are already making $100 off each playerworld rental and those playerworlds are doing nothing... so what makes him think that any player run server would survive on it's own? Let alone be good enough to make people want to pay for it.

But this pretty much sums him up right here:

ShaunAndresen: I have absolutely no faith in the global GraalOnline bureaucracy
ShaunAndresen: And I have no care for the members of the GraalOnline community