Lifetime Classic

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by konidias

That's another thing... get rid of VIP. You made a lot of customers unhappy by giving them like nothing worth the extra money... A VIP subscription would usuall y mean that person gets access to new stuff frequently... but that's not the case here. Maybe VIP could be re-initiated once you have more frequent updates... Otherwise you're misleading people by making them think they will get all sorts of special perks and get to help test new stuff each month... When in reality it's like you get to test a new script function once a year, a couple of days before everyone else does.

I think the VIP subscription should be redone, and renamed Classic subscription. Perks that were originally said to be given to VIP only, should just be given to VIP (Classic) and Gold. The "free for life" classic account should go away.

[UberModeKappa]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

The "free for life" classic account should go away.

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
So you basically want the game to be as empty as the forums? Genius!

[Googi]

Originally Posted by UberModeKappa

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
So you basically want the game to be as empty as the forums? Genius!

It may infact be necessary to abolish it, I don't know exactly how bad the financial situation is, but it would depend on that.

Of course, getting rid of Moon Goddess as forum staff would be a good idea too.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Googi

Of course, getting rid of Moon Goddess as forum staff would be a good idea too.

You are a very brave man.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Gerami

You are a very brave man.

Such is how I became the hero of July. It really would help make money though.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Googi

Such is how I became the hero of July.

You're not a hero, but you sure as hell just showed you are indeed a man.

Googi is growing up so fast, i can barely keep up!

[pooper200000]

Originally Posted by Googi

It may infact be necessary to abolish it, I don't know exactly how bad the financial situation is, but it would depend on that.

Of course, getting rid of Moon Goddess as forum staff would be a good idea too.

Nice knowing you!

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I think the VIP subscription should be redone, and renamed Classic subscription. Perks that were originally said to be given to VIP only, should just be given to VIP (Classic) and Gold. The "free for life" classic account should go away.

Playercount will drop serverly, people don't want to pay that often for graal.
They simply need to offer more benefits for vip/gold, or maybe make there be a small cost of a classic membership, like $10 a year or something small. I'd rather see more incentive to upgrade, and more advertising...and better targeting. Lets face it, you can't be targeting younger audiences all the time.

[konidias]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I think the VIP subscription should be redone, and renamed Classic subscription. Perks that were originally said to be given to VIP only, should just be given to VIP (Classic) and Gold. The "free for life" classic account should go away.

No that's horrible. Then you're forcing people to pay just to play the game. They've already given classic away for anyone who has ever upgraded, they can't take that back now. It would cause a huge backlash.

Like I said, classic servers are currently not worth upgrading each year (no offense to those server owners, but it's true). Nobody is going to pay just to access the classic servers when they were once free for anyone who has upgraded before.

They need to stop focusing on all this non-graal stuff like the flash games and graal3d and focus on improving customer support, the website, gold servers, and most importantly, getting the players more involved in the community and rewarding players and all these people working hard to make content for Graal.

I can understand Unixmad's dilemma here, but he of all people should know that the majority of Graal's actual playable content is made by players. You can't expect people to pay to work. It's just not gonna last very long. You need to reward the hard working people who have spent countless hours working for Graal instead of playing it.

Really, how hard would it be to add on some extra gold account days to someone? Johnny won the art contest and gets his account name listed on the site for that week, and he also gets an extra week added to his gold account. Now don't you think that would not only make Johnny happy, but also encourage others to participate and want to upgrade to get those benefits? Of course submitting stuff for the contest would require you had a gold account, but it would be well worth it if you could get a free week added on for each time you won. And really... what is one extra week given away compared to the fact that it's going to benefit Graal so much?

I think the biggest weapon in Graal's arsenal IS the fact that they could give out free gold time as prizes. It costs Graal absolutely nothing to give someone an extra week free, and guess what? They will be happy and probably upgrade again. So wow, you give them one extra week and get a whole year's re-upgrade out of the deal. I think that's a pretty good investment.

I believe they could successfully pull off good teams of people to work on new gold servers if they offered some sort of compensation. I'm not saying money, but again, free gold time... whatever.

Also if there was to be a VIP upgrade to an account, one of the biggest features it should boast is that you'd have faster access to staff or customer support. Like your support tickets get moved to the top of the list or something. That would be nice.

[Lord Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

The "free for life" classic account should go away.

I may be a bit late here, but this is the stupidest thing i've ever heard.

Get rid of Free for Life Classic Accounts and basically say bye to 60-70% of your playerbase.

[zim5354]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I think the VIP subscription should be redone, and renamed Classic subscription. Perks that were originally said to be given to VIP only, should just be given to VIP (Classic) and Gold. The "free for life" classic account should go away.

If the free for life goes away so many people will stop playing. The people who actually play will be in ghost town servers.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I think the VIP subscription should be redone, and renamed Classic subscription. Perks that were originally said to be given to VIP only, should just be given to VIP (Classic) and Gold. The "free for life" classic account should go away.

I agree with this.

[pacMASTA]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I think the VIP subscription should be redone, and renamed Classic subscription. Perks that were originally said to be given to VIP only, should just be given to VIP (Classic) and Gold. The "free for life" classic account should go away.

So after pumping in probally atleast $500+ to Cyberjouers Im no longer even entitled to go on the classic server? So in theory im becoming a trial again? Worst idea ever. Please shut up and leave.

Originally Posted by Googi

That I would, Assistant Koni.

Excuse me would you like another coffee?

Edit:
I'll probally be banned for this one but I would like to put this on the table for future updates if their is any beacsue Graal is on the eve of distruction. I think I should have a gold plated statue commemerating on Global Bans, Forum Bans, Local Bans, PC Bans, IP Bans, and Jails... Its not easy being #1 Ban Man...


Jean-Paul Marat... Was a very hateful person and full of much anger and rage towards the French Goverment; But although his words were hateful he was one of the many who fuled the French revolution by venting all of his anger into words via the form of his Revolutionist newspaper "L'Ami de peuple" which means the friend of the people.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by pacMASTA

So after pumping in probally atleast $500+ to Cyberjouers Im no longer even entitled to go on the classic server? So in theory im becoming a trial again? Worst idea ever. Please shut up and leave.

I was more referring to from now on. I was not saying to take it away from those who already have it.
Do you really think that the owners will listen to anything you have to say when you post so hatefully?
Learn how to post constructively, and your opinion might be heard/read.

[Infernix]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I was more referring to from now on. I was not saying to take it away from those who already have it.
Do you really think that the owners will listen to anything you have to say when you post so hatefully?
Learn how to post constructively, and your opinion might be heard/read.

Now your a grown woman, does that rlly sound fair or a smart idea to you? Cause Im pretty sure if I knew some people had classic for life free accounts and I didnt because I joined at a later time Id be pretty PO.

Unixmad is asking for a Solution soo... Im going to say somthing simple and not very complex.

Solution:Focus on a new server that is not 3D but yet 2d and Brings a lot of interactive content that to a "new" or current graal player would seem professional and fun.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Infernix

Now your a grown woman, does that rlly sound fair or a smart idea to you? Cause Im pretty sure if I knew some people had classic for life free accounts and I didnt because I joined at a later time Id be pretty PO.

that's business. A business can never make everyone happy, it is impossible.

Originally Posted by pacMASTA1

getting ride of classic for life? This is angering more players then it is doing anygood; How can you balance a business when their are no clients?

Just because it was suggested, does not mean it will happen. There are a lot more suggestions in this thread other than that.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

that's business. A business can never make everyone happy, it is impossible.

but a business can make good decisions

[pacMASTA1]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

that's business. A business can never make everyone happy, it is impossible.

But the point of the business is not to 'F' over your whole business blowoff all your clients, and anger everyone... Theirs a difference between making EVERYONE happy and making NO-ONE happy

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Gerami

but a business can make good decisions

Yes, but a good decision to some, may be called a bad decision by others.

Originally Posted by pacMASTA1

But the point of the business is not to 'F' over your whole business blowoff all your clients, and anger everyone... Theirs a difference between making EVERYONE happy and making NO-ONE happy

I don't think you can say "no one is happy"

[Lord Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

that's business. A business can never make everyone happy, it is impossible.

Doesn't mean you shouldn't try.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by pacMASTA

So after pumping in probally atleast $500+ to Cyberjouers Im no longer even entitled to go on the classic server? So in theory im becoming a trial again? Worst idea ever. Please shut up and leave.

Agreed, who wouldn't leave graal after that?

He should advertise, and offer new things, additional things (not important additions to the system, such as flying...unless it's just something that happens when the zoom factor is changed), should also be offered to vip/gold.
Also, you could update the website more often, and have ads on there, and google ads on these forums. Ads in game have even been suggested. And you yourself have to make some advertisements for graal already, that's how you get new customers!