Lifetime Classic - Page 4

Draenin · #1 10-08-2006, 02:10 AM

Would anyone object to making VIP the subscription you need to buy in order to get lifetime access? I mean, otherwise, you just get access to occasional program updates faster, a Guild tag, and the ability to create a single guild of your own.

Zero Hour · #2 10-08-2006, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

Would anyone object to making VIP the subscription you need to buy in order to get lifetime access? I mean, otherwise, you just get access to occasional program updates faster, a Guild tag, and the ability to create a single guild of your own.

That's a fairly good suggestion, however it doesn't fix the current "Classic" issue.

Infernix · #3 10-08-2006, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

Would anyone object to making VIP the subscription you need to buy in order to get lifetime access? I mean, otherwise, you just get access to occasional program updates faster, a Guild tag, and the ability to create a single guild of your own.

I wouldnt complain if there were some insentive for me to update. One lil tiny update after another isnt gonna keep me interested so I wouldnt waste my money on VIP. Not worth the money to pay for a game that seems to have so little amount of professional looking/created gameplay.

Shaun · #4 10-08-2006, 03:25 AM

Edit: Discussion below.

konidias · #5 10-08-2006, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun

I'm offering to discuss this with you in private. I ask for no financial compensation, nor any "staff powers". What do I gain? A star to my resume in the field I'm studying. Of course, I'm offering discussion and my ideas which are free for you to heed or disregard. Plus I've been a member of the GraalOnline community since 1998 and it'd be nice to be able to help.

Or you could just discuss it right here in public like everyone else.

Shaun · #6 10-08-2006, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by konidias

Or you could just discuss it right here in public like everyone else.

So the panel of experts could have their own educated input?

excaliber7388 · #7 10-08-2006, 02:19 AM

Meh, I don't like that so much, it takes away from their ability to make money

Draenin · #8 10-08-2006, 02:25 AM

What could be set in place in conjunction with that to make things work out more effectively?

excaliber7388 · #9 10-08-2006, 03:58 AM

Oh, come on, I'm a business major too

Googi · #10 10-08-2006, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Oh, come on, I'm a business major too

That would make you the only business major here.

excaliber7388 · #11 10-08-2006, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

That would make you the only business major here.

Therefore the best to give marketing advice

Googi · #12 10-08-2006, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Therefore the best to give marketing advice

He doesn't realize marketing is it's own major...

excaliber7388 · #13 10-08-2006, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

He doesn't realize marketing is it's own major...

Um...yeah...I know...but If you're majoring in Business administration, you take marketing classes.
The difference between a business admin major and a marketing major aren't that big.

Devil · #14 10-08-2006, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Therefore the best to give marketing advice

ROFL.

Ok then, if you're the best to give marketing advice, please share some options Graal has here in the way of marketing itself.

excaliber7388 · #15 10-08-2006, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil

ROFL.

Ok then, if you're the best to give marketing advice, please share some options Graal has here in the way of marketing itself.

It was a joke

Shaun does know quite a bit more than me, and probably could help quite a bit. I just don't want to say that his opinion should be the only one, every one here has had some good ideas, and Unix should read through all of them.
As for Graal's marketing, it's in piss poor shape, they're not advertising, they're targeting a group that doesn't play or become as active in graal, and a group that does not stay with a game as often or as long. (Younger kids) This group also has more difficulty in subscribing. The administration has created a rift between themselves and the players, and they refuse to take them seriously, Unix sees classic account users as people who are not customers, as opposed to potential customers, and a large part of his current marketing strategy, the image of graal is hurting, and they're not doing enough to fix it... Overall, Unix's made some bad business decisions, and he's lucky they've worked out this long. It's about time for some reform.

Devil · #16 10-08-2006, 04:45 AM

Everyone knows mistakes have been made, no one is denying that. The topic is about idea's and I don't see you giving any of them towards this topic.

Devil · #17 10-08-2006, 04:51 AM

Who cares?

This isn't about you and fetching coffee.

Bl0nkt · #18 10-08-2006, 05:00 AM

I think it'd be nice to open a VIP serverlist where only VIP members can go. This would include beta testing new things such as this, and this would create a feel of "wow, it'd be real nice to see how everything works and learn how to use it."

Update features regularly and it will become something worth buying. After a while of keeping it on the VIP serverlist, you can revert it to gold, classic and trial access. Another thing you should consider is making a gold account something more valuable. Give it something more than two servers to play on and access to hidden playerworlds. I know I'm the little guy, but if you'd like to discuss things more thoroughly send me a forum PM. I'm sure we can reach a compromise that would benefit everyone, including you.

Shaun · #19 10-08-2006, 05:30 AM

If the costs were not high, then GraalOnline would not be making a policy change to make up for them, would it?

Googi · #20 10-08-2006, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun

If the costs were not high, then GraalOnline would not be making a policy change to make up for them, would it?

The only policy change I see being suggested by Unix here involves removing "lifetime" accounts, nothing to do with the people paying $120 a year to have a server that goes nowhere.

Shaun · #21 10-08-2006, 05:43 AM

Fine. I'll spare you guys and do something better with my time from now on like fetching coffee.

You guys win. Or will when a forum admin or supermod or whatever gets online.

Googi · #22 10-08-2006, 05:44 AM

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You guys win.

Woah, nice work Koni. We beat a professor's assistant. We must be pretty awesome. Like, as awesome as an actual professor.

konidias · #23 10-08-2006, 05:49 AM

I think this calls for a round of high fives, wouldn't you say, Professor Googi?

Googi · #24 10-08-2006, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by konidias

I think this calls for a round of high fives, wouldn't you say, Professor Googi?

That I would, Assistant Koni.

Crono · #25 10-08-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by konidias

I think this calls for a round of high fives, wouldn't you say, Professor Googi?

WTF you didnt return my high fives and you're giving it to him?

omgomg

smirt362 · #26 10-08-2006, 05:50 AM

I think several servers are hosted on a single machine and its not like they dont pay for the server space. You have to pay some ammount of money to get hosted for 6 months and if you dont pay again then they take it away.

Shaun · #27 10-08-2006, 05:53 AM

Gentlemen, I'll let you see the spoils of your victory.

Devil · #28 10-08-2006, 05:57 AM

Wow you really are mature losing an arguement and posting your GraalOnline password on forums.

Absolute retard. Now fetch me some coffee.

Devil · #29 10-08-2006, 11:32 AM

I do agree, I mean I personally do not see people spending money to be able to fly on Graal Kingdoms.

I would rather upgrade if I saw a major addition that would affect most players in general.

Draenin · #30 10-08-2006, 12:19 PM

Yeah, funny thing is, it's the same idea I mentioned a few pages ago, but worded differently.

Demisis_P2P · #31 10-08-2006, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

Yeah, funny thing is, it's the same idea I mentioned a few pages ago, but worded differently.

Yeah but that was the worst idea ever.

Darlene's idea is great because it means we get to blame her when the **** hits the fan.

Draenin · #32 10-08-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Yeah but that was the worst idea ever.

Because it's not aimed at anyone in particular while the one you agree with is? Hokay.

Infernix · #33 10-08-2006, 05:10 PM

...Yea a nice simple fact is your doing updates that players rlly dont care about....for example. Why would a normal everyday player who doesnt develop care about new scripting fuctions. They dont care about the scripts or how the game is made at all. They just want a good game.

Focus on the normal everyday player more instead of all the developers.

And if free for life classic goes away at this point in time with not 1 good server then I for one wont be playing graal. Only reason I even bother to log on myself is because of the community that I used to enjoy playing this game with for the last 6 years.

KuJi · #34 10-08-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Infernix

...Yea a nice simple fact is your doing updates that players rlly dont care about....for example. Why would a normal everyday player who doesnt develop care about new scripting fuctions. They dont care about the scripts or how the game is made at all. They just want a good game.

You deserve to get slapped in the head for that. A lot of these scripting functions are used on the servers they play every day and it makes them have more stuff and gameplay to do etc..

Why don't we just revert back to the first release of GS2 and we will never ever update it.. you will see tons of stuff you are not gonna play w/ etc... stupid post ever.

Infernix · #35 10-08-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KuJi

You deserve to get slapped in the head for that. A lot of these scripting functions are used on the servers they play every day and it makes them have more stuff and gameplay to do etc..

Why don't we just revert back to the first release of GS2 and we will never ever update it.. you will see tons of stuff you are not gonna play w/ etc... stupid post ever.

Please just stop right there. People who play WoW dont know about how the game was made and guess what they personally dont care either. I dont go around on Battle Field 2 and ask people "So when are they going to add a new scriptiong function". I ask "So when are they going to add a new weapon".

You just need to comprehend what Im saying. New scripting functions is not real updates a normal players eyes new gameplay on the other hand is. Scripting = somthing new for a developers /gameplay = somthing for the player. Wow@your ignorance.

KuJi · #36 10-08-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Infernix

Please just stop right there. People who play WoW dont know about how the game was made and guess what they personally dont care either. I dont go around on Battle Field 2 and ask people "So when are they going to add a new scriptiong function". I ask "So when are they going to add a new weapon".

You just need to comprehend what Im saying.

"When are you going to add a new weapon"

The response could be like this: " When theres a new scripting function that allows me to target your ass and shoot it at you (like a homing missle)

TADA?

Infernix · #37 10-08-2006, 05:26 PM

Do you relize that a lot of everyday gamers and most of them dont even know what a script looks like or infact what a script is? But let me stop Im not going to make this a back and forth arguement between me and you. Im going to wait for other responses.

Spark910 · #38 10-08-2006, 05:57 PM

I do agree this game lacks CONTENT updates from the top (i.e: Stefan, who can do very good things). Graal 2001, Zone, GK and Classic are all examples of good projects where content updates were being made by Stefan and all were good (yes, I know others helped/took over). But over the last few years there has not been many content updates.

Crono · #39 10-08-2006, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Spark910

I do agree this game lacks CONTENT updates from the top (i.e: Stefan, who can do very good things). Graal 2001, Zone, GK and Classic are all examples of good projects where content updates were being made by Stefan and all were good (yes, I know others helped/took over). But over the last few years there has not been many content updates.

Zone is more of a revival by Stefan. Originally it was made by Angel and I think Dell? Bloo Kat had made the original graphics. :[

Stephen · #40 10-08-2006, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Zone is more of a revival by Stefan. Originally it was made by Angel and I think Dell? Bloo Kat had made the original graphics. :[

I think Stefan liked the idea so he simply stepped in when things started going downhill.