Why are inactive playerworlds on classic list?

Crono · #1 06-24-2006, 11:53 PM

As the title says, why are servers like Graal Bomy Lands and Shaded Legend on the server list? They have almost no playerbase and simply sit there collecting dust.

They may be in development but if there is no playerbase, I believe the server should just turn into a private dev server. It would make the classic list seem less crowded and just tidy things up.

Current list of inactive servers according to me:

Delteria-

It's under heavy development on a seperate dev server. This server has no one left, even when they host spar tournies it only has about 20-25 players on, that's pathetic.

Shaded Legend-

This server has been in development for years and has always been on the bottom of the server list. It may be in development today but I'm sure that that's on a seperate dev server.

Graal Bomy Lands-

We all know what happened there.

Crono · #2 06-26-2006, 12:51 AM

Ok some progress was made. Graal Bomy Lands was removed from the classic list but what is to be done with Shaded Legend and Delteria? They've been dead for most of the year.

Delteria already has a dev server, why not just "hide" the current Delteria server until they finish?

SL is just dead and always has been, why bother keeping it on the list?

ApothiX · #3 06-26-2006, 01:38 AM

SL was only good for about 10 minutes after it was put on classic, and then no one bothered to go back to it after that. I haven't even seen staff members on the Classic server in quite awhile.

excaliber7388 · #4 06-26-2006, 01:38 AM

Delteria I could understand, but SL has had 100 people on I think. They occasionally have more players. Not so much recently, and most are staff.....hmm Maybe down to hosted, but private seems harsh.

Chris · #5 06-26-2006, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Delteria I could understand, but SL has had 100 people on I think. They occasionally have more players. Not so much recently, and most are staff.....hmm Maybe down to hosted, but private seems harsh.

Pre-p2p SL was holding 50-60 players easily. After that the playercount died.

LOA--Paul · #6 06-26-2006, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

SL was only good for about 10 minutes after it was put on classic, and then no one bothered to go back to it after that. I haven't even seen staff members on the Classic server in quite awhile.

Are you kidding me? LAT and FAQ's are on all the time!

GP is just wrapping up their hiring process so that'll be back in full duty before the month's end.

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Crono · #7 06-26-2006, 05:52 AM

SL rarely gets a burst of players. Everytime it's re-released it gets around 100 and dies out the same day. One or two times it'll randomly have 50 players on. But it has no playerbase. Look at it RIGHT NOW. 0 players.

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That's pathetic. Even dev server babylon gets more than that.

Malinko · #8 06-26-2006, 07:11 AM

Bab with 120 tonight.

Hell, Zodiac has a lot of people online all the time.

Thallen · #9 06-26-2006, 07:51 AM

Delteria gets some people sometimes, more than Atlantis, but it won't be deleted since it's the only German server. SL should be gone by now, its had its days...

ViCtOrEhEhEh · #10 06-26-2006, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Malinko

Bab with 120 tonight.

Hell, Zodiac has a lot of people online all the time.

Bab had 120 tonight because you guys gave people free npcs and promising they can keep them forever. Other than that, it doesnt matter at all. Plus everyone was just using the NPCs you gave em. Why didnt they stay on Bab? Because they got bored.

Chris · #11 06-26-2006, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Thallen

SL should be gone by now, its had its days...

Yep.

Spark910 · #12 06-26-2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

Yep.

I'm afraid I may agree here too. It does seem it has tried its best, but the players just aren't interested

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Chris · #13 06-26-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Spark910

I'm afraid I may agree here too. It does seem it has tried its best, but the players just aren't interested

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I should have put it out of it's misery when I was manager, instead of letting the others try.

Crono · #14 06-26-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ViCtOrEhEhEh

Bab had 120 tonight because you guys gave people free npcs and promising they can keep them forever. Other than that, it doesnt matter at all. Plus everyone was just using the NPCs you gave em. Why didnt they stay on Bab? Because they got bored.

People get to keep those npcs until we go public. They've been there for like half a year.

AlexanderK · #15 06-26-2006, 08:30 PM

Oh, and don't forget Atlantis!

Warcaptain · #16 06-26-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Malinko

Bab with 120 tonight.

Hell, Zodiac has a lot of people online all the time.

Dude getting 120 people randomly does not make your PW popular, it just means that you had people go all over and try to talk people into coming on.. then gave them lots of staff stuff like last time -_-

Give it up, Babylon is dead.. if Stefan or Houdini wanted it classic or even hosted, it would have been there by now. But even your incredible brown nosing can not get it back.

Warcaptain · #17 06-26-2006, 08:41 PM

Also, Atlantis gets lots of people.. 50-60 at the right time of day.. don't dis it.

Eagle · #18 06-26-2006, 11:13 PM

SL is gone.

Crono · #19 06-27-2006, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Warcaptain

Give it up, Babylon is dead.. if Stefan or Houdini wanted it classic or even hosted, it would have been there by now. But even your incredible brown nosing can not get it back.

Um, sir, inf and I are working on an expansion of the current OW. We just need to get together and have a meeting, apart from that progress is great.

VulcanP2P · #20 06-27-2006, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Eagle

SL is gone.

"Hidden" would be the better term, I think.

Eagle · #21 06-27-2006, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by VulcanP2P

"Hidden" would be the better term, I think.

It's a shame though. I think SL is a great server. No players though.

Infernix · #22 06-27-2006, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Um, sir, inf and I are working on an expansion of the current OW. We just need to get together and have a meeting, apart from that progress is great.

Zz Actually that could have happened awile ago if people like umm our Manager, would care alittle bit more.

Thus is the reason why I see you more on era and youll see more on..some other server.

And about SL, yea they effed up big time from what I saw when I worked there. All their fault for the complete failure.

-Ching · #23 06-27-2006, 03:10 AM

Nooooo SL ='( <3

Zideruic · #24 06-27-2006, 03:18 AM

The only reason there are an abundance of people of Babylon at certain given times is that it's extremely easy to get your rate to amazing ammounts, people sit there for hours waiting to get their rate lamed up to 6000+ even though it's only displayed in your account pofile.

Damix2 · #25 06-27-2006, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Eagle

It's a shame though. I think SL is a great server. No players though.

Then its not a great server

ApothiX · #26 06-27-2006, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LOA--Paul

Are you kidding me? LAT and FAQ's are on all the time!

GP is just wrapping up their hiring process so that'll be back in full duty before the month's end.

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What the hell are you talking about? Read the post before you reply. I was talking about Shaded Legend being on the classic TAB.

Malinko · #27 06-27-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Warcaptain

Dude getting 120 people randomly does not make your PW popular, it just means that you had people go all over and try to talk people into coming on.. then gave them lots of staff stuff like last time -_-

Give it up, Babylon is dead.. if Stefan or Houdini wanted it classic or even hosted, it would have been there by now. But even your incredible brown nosing can not get it back.

You make me giggle, Warcaptain.

A few months ago, Bab had around 125 people for a few hours. Note, I keep this world locked to staff, with occasional times I let others online the world. So, when I do keep it un-locked to the staff, a large amount of people come online. Of course, I give them NPCs that were made a long time ago, just to show that those NPCs are still available; because I don't show others the new stuff, no, no not at all.

See, Bab isn't just a world with a lot of game. It's also what a lot of GraalOnline people wish to have. GraalOnline is just a place to talk, in an interactive setting. Look at UNHOLY NATION, it's the top ranking world, despite what people speak about the world, whether bad or good, it's still number one and no one has ever been able to beat it. Era does at some points, and I admit, bravo, Era.

Also, Warcaptain, I'm tired of YOU thinking YOU know EVERYTHING about GraalOnline. Face it, YOU do NOT. You're just someone who talks too much to even understand. Kind of like when Stefan told YOU THAT I NEVER DID A SINGLE THING WRONG WHEN YOU ASKED HIM WHY HE MADE ME A MEMBER OF THE PLAYERWORLD ADMINISTRATION. Remember that? When Stefan said I did nothing wrong? I think YOU do! If not, I can remind YOU! Though, back to the subject, YOU don't know all about GraalOnline. Back in March, Stefan asked me if I wanted to move Bab to the Hosted or even the Classic list, and I rejected the offer, because the staff haven't finished what Bab will become to be. At least I have hard working staff, rather than using Delteria's old things or New World things. Be original, please. As I said, YOU DO NOT KNOW ALL ABOUT GRAALONLINE. How about sticking to Mana Realms before speaking such things. I'm sure if Stefan wanted that to be Hosted or even Classic, it would be there now too, correct? Heh, I don't know, nor will I even comment, because to be honest, I'm not a prick who thinks I own this game. Now once again, be original, please.

Warcaptain · #28 06-27-2006, 04:37 PM

Stefan corrected Googi, who called you a 'thing'

He did not say you did nothing wrong

Also, I never asked Stefan anything.. Googi came on and asked Stefan why he allowed corrupt individuals like you become and stay staff.

I simply voiced my support for him on the issue.

Giltwist2k1 · #29 06-27-2006, 08:12 PM

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Look at UNHOLY NATION, it's the top ranking world, despite what people speak about the world, whether bad or good, it's still number one and no one has ever been able to beat it.

The main issue is who plays Graal. A lot of Graalians are in their early teens. Developmentally speaking, a thirteen year old is not going to have a very refined palate. So, they are more easily pleased by concrete pleasures such as new NPCw's to play with, sparring for bragging rights, etc. Combined with the fact that most of the people in this age group probably are limited to classic worlds, it's no wonder they like UN and Era.

The complaints about these servers come from more experienced players. Those of us, for example, who have been playing graal since before there even was Graal2k1 and who are now in our late teens or even in the twenties. We have different needs and desires than the average Graalian. We want things like plot, continuity, character development, RP, and a more aesthetically pleasing world. These can not be found on UN or Era, and really not any of the classic servers. This is part of why you see so many playerworlds. Sure, many of them are just people who want to be in charge, though they have no staff and no talent. But there are also those servers comprised of staff who are trying to create not just another graal server but a piece of artwork created by the combined talents of LATs, GATs, and NATs. These servers will always be unpopular as a rule. The average Graalian simply doesn't understand why they can't PK here as much as on ERA or get their very own player house, etc.

James205 · #30 06-27-2006, 11:46 PM

Why was I not contacted by a PWA about the removal from the classic list?

I heard NOTHING about this until now. I don't give a crap if someone posts a thread at GCC, if they have intentions to remove SL they need to contact me about it on why. I don't want "Because Crono's said so." because that is ridiculous.

I agree with a lot you guys said but now I am pissed because I was not contacted properly.

LOA--Paul · #31 06-28-2006, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

What the hell are you talking about? Read the post before you reply. I was talking about Shaded Legend being on the classic TAB.

Thought you were saying saying both SL and Classic, as you said "on the classic server"

Classic server = "Classic" in most people's usage.

Loakey_P2P · #32 06-28-2006, 01:28 AM

the fact about sl is that over all the year's the help on sl has been , shall we just say lacking . sl has been overlooked by all high up's in the graal staff (no offence) but the global help sl has recivied in the five year's it has been up is 0 . and the time's sl has asked for help has been in the hundred's . beside's that the player's would rather sit on the forum's and complain rather then lend their skill's to put sl back where it was . after this great g4 and gs2 conversion sl ran just fine , everything worked as it had for year's and in one day the entire server was turned upside down . since then we have had countless (supposive nat's) look at story line script's and npc's and nothing had improved . even after they assured us they had fixed the problem yet when you go throu the quest's the bosses are buggy and script's are not functioning . and the server has only been in the development process for a month , possable two . which isnt a whole lot of time to rescript every npc organize all the images and gani's and rebuild the ow , class all npc's throu out the ow . prhap's people dont understand what a long hard process it is to completlly redo a server from the ground up but let me just say . ROME WASNT BUILT IN A DAY ! . now with that said can we not expect a whole complete server remade overnight . also understand that we , the current and past manager's of shaded legend's are not twelve year old's with nothing more to do then go to school . we are all of age , which mean's we work for a living . i myself put in anywhere from 9 to 13 hour's a day . and that's not includeing driveing an hour or two there and an hour or two back . the basic point of this is that before all the old staff who left on bad term's complain about the current state of the server , remmber we are here when we can and do what we can . people can easylly sit and complain about what they see , but what they can't do is try to imagine what they can't see and before they complain that sl is the worst server couse it has no player count , check the number of people on graal every once in a while . couse it's usally around 700 or less . i havent seen a thousand player count on graal since two or three year's ago . and right at this time the highest player count is 160 on un . 133 under that and one fifty player count , every other one is under that . only twelve playerworld's have a player count over ten . and being 138 playerworld's this isnt a very good player count . and dont give me the time of day bs . this is how graal has looked for year's . it's bad enough we have to deal with such noobish junk on our own forum's but here is way to far . notice there is only two or three people posting here outside the pwa's . it's amazeing they would make such a big decision from just a couple people without talking to other player's or the staff of the server even . i talked abit to vulcan but it was by pure fricken luck i even knew couse i signed on to check one thing when one of my staff alerted me to sl being removed . but forget it , if you people want to sit and complain couse YOU dont see any changes . even tho we have been posting for month's about the dev process and it all being kept from the public's eye but they still sit and complain nothing is changing . then fine , we can solve this problem real easy , if people want to sit and complain all day and do nothing to help . then just dont come to sl , actually we'd be alot better off as we might spend time getting some work done rather then answering the same stupid question's day in and day out about information they wont get . im gona say this one more time (even tho ive said it like four hundred times) all the work , progress and dev process is being kept on a seperate developement server , in lock down (meaning no one but staff can go there) and no one will be told what is going on , not even most of the staff know as only a handfull are working on it . so stop asking/talking about not seeing any work being done couse that is what we want . once we get sl back to running standard's we may release some new stuff , or we may wait till it's 100% done and then release it . but no matter what , you wont get an answer on what we are doing untill we are ready to release it .

Lord Sephiroth · #33 06-28-2006, 01:32 AM

I ... couldn't read that ... if I tried...

Maniaman · #34 06-28-2006, 01:39 AM

Loakey_P2P: split that into paragraphs please.

LOA--Paul · #35 06-28-2006, 01:40 AM

He makes some good points in there. Not reading it because it's not spaced is fairly dumb.

ApothiX · #36 06-28-2006, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LOA--Paul

Thought you were saying saying both SL and Classic, as you said "on the classic server"

Classic server = "Classic" in most people's usage.

By "on the Classic server" I meant as opposed to their development server. Sorry about the confusion, I actually forgot there was a server named 'Classic' <_<

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Originally Posted by James205

Why was I not contacted by a PWA about the removal from the classic list?

I heard NOTHING about this until now. I don't give a crap if someone posts a thread at GCC, if they have intentions to remove SL they need to contact me about it on why. I don't want "Because Crono's said so." because that is ridiculous.

I agree with a lot you guys said but now I am pissed because I was not contacted properly.

The reason was not 'because crono said so', it was because it was highly inactive. This thread just brought it to the attention of the PWA. If the manager of the server is just now noticing that it got removed, then that may be a reason why you were not contacted.

Lyndzey · #37 06-28-2006, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by James205

Why was I not contacted by a PWA about the removal from the classic list?

I heard NOTHING about this until now. I don't give a crap if someone posts a thread at GCC, if they have intentions to remove SL they need to contact me about it on why. I don't want "Because Crono's said so." because that is ridiculous.

I agree with a lot you guys said but now I am pissed because I was not contacted properly.

Loakey was listed as the Manager of SL in the server options, so Vulcan talked to him about it being put on the invisible list. None of us were aware that you were still working on the server.

Andy0687 · #38 06-28-2006, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Malinko

Other **** + I'm sure if Stefan wanted that to be Hosted or even Classic, it would be there now too, correct? Heh, I don't know, nor will I even comment, because to be honest, I'm not a prick who thinks I own this game. Now once again, be original, please.

Do you even read what you post half the time I swear you are one of the most incoherant people I have ever met in my entire life, online or off. Maybe you would like to go back to that Goodbye thread I posted and read some of the things you have written.

You act like you are so far up Stefans ass you wouldnt be able to tell where you end and he begins.

I dont understand how people like you manage to stay on top for so long. Maybe its because you conform to the redicilous things they do themselves, or maybe its just because you are plain stupid yourself.

Crono · #39 06-28-2006, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by James205

Why was I not contacted by a PWA about the removal from the classic list?

Osnaps :[

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I heard NOTHING about this until now. I don't give a crap if someone posts a thread at GCC, if they have intentions to remove SL they need to contact me about it on why.

I thought they did.

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I don't want "Because Crono's said so." because that is ridiculous.

Man I am GOD. How can you say that answer is not acceptable :'[?

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I agree with a lot you guys said but now I am pissed because I was not contacted properly.

But isn't it hidden now?

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Loakey_P2P's unspaced paragraph of doom

I don't care what he hell's been happening, SL is dead and has been for many years. It just keeps re-releasing, has maybe 100 players for that day, and it dies faster than the server's NPC server.

Infernix · #40 06-28-2006, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687

Do you even read what you post half the time I swear you are one of the most incoherant people I have ever met in my entire life, online or off. Maybe you would like to go back to that Goodbye thread I posted and read some of the things you have written.

You act like you are so far up Stefans ass you wouldnt be able to tell where you end and he begins.

I dont understand how people like you manage to stay on top for so long. Maybe its because you conform to the redicilous things they do themselves, or maybe its just because you are plain stupid yourself.

Minipulating the minds of most graal players is very simple.