Serverlister

ZeLpH_MyStiK · #1 06-21-2006, 03:36 PM

I am pretty sure Stefan has noticed this problem. Recently, Serverlister has been disconnecting random players on servers. Both N-Pulse and Maloria has been experiencing this problem. Just wondering if someone is looking into this problem and why this is happening since no one seems to have mentioned this on the forums.

Skyld · #2 06-21-2006, 03:58 PM

It isn't random players as such, nor is it a problem; it's a new system in place to prevent account sharing. If one account is online from two (or more) different IP addresses or PC IDs, the second client to log on with the account is disconnected. I am not sure if the original player is disconnected, though.

Chris · #3 06-21-2006, 04:16 PM

Era RC is spammed with it and so is every other server. Lame account sharing!

Skyld · #4 06-21-2006, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

Era RC is spammed with it and so is every other server. Lame account sharing!

Stefan was saying the other day that the notifications generated by the serverlister might be removed from RC chat, since it does cause a lot of spam.

Also the latest version of the gserver give the correct disconnect reason, but this isn't uploaded on all machines yet.

Admins · #5 06-21-2006, 04:57 PM

It's disconnecting the already logged in player, since sometimes people are disconnected from the isp and their account stays online. Will try to update the gserver today or tomorrow.

Ibonic · #6 06-21-2006, 05:28 PM

This also happens when we /global disconnect someone, usually after banning.

I'm glad to know this is in effect now, I suggested it to Unixmad (for Stefan) a lot recently. I'd like to see it automatically force a password change (or something similar) if someone from a different ISP tries to log in at the same time too, but I'm not sure if that's being considered.

Skyld · #7 06-21-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibonic

This also happens when we /global disconnect someone, usually after banning.

I'm glad to know this is in effect now, I suggested it to Unixmad (for Stefan) a lot recently. I'd like to see it automatically force a password change (or something similar) if someone from a different ISP tries to log in at the same time too, but I'm not sure if that's being considered.

Surely that'd throw a lot of people into misery if it happened just by accident or so (multiple computers between two different houses or so) and they do not own the original email address?

Ibonic · #8 06-21-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyld

Surely that'd throw a lot of people into misery if it happened just by accident or so (multiple computers between two different houses or so) and they do not own the original email address?

I understand it can happen, but they shouldn't really be logging into the same account at different locations simultaneously anyway. I'm not suggesting to ban it just because the ISP or computer ID differs from the last time they logged on.

Also, if they don't have the e-mail address anymore, they should be updating it. People are stealing accounts lately by recreating those old/inactive e-mail addresses - there's a thread about what we're going to do in the private forums.

nikomi946 · #9 06-21-2006, 06:10 PM

The system shouldn't be considered spam, it should be considered as helpful information. Ibonics right, the account scams are rampant and its the responsibility of graalonline to do what it needs to do to protect paid accounts. Even if it does mean some minor inconviences to the lazy bums that would prefer not to have to worry about updating their emails or changing their passwords. Those are the ones that once their account is stolen yell the loudest. I personally think it should be automated so that it requires you confirm or update your email every 6 months or so. Everyone here knows the rules, no account sharing.

Maniaman · #10 06-21-2006, 06:43 PM

I always thought it would be nice to have a sort of 'console' tab on the RC, where server messages pop up, then have the RC Chat tab for just RC chat or very important messages.

Ibonic · #11 06-21-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibonic

I understand it can happen, but they shouldn't really be logging into the same account at different locations simultaneously anyway. I'm not suggesting to ban it just because the ISP or computer ID differs from the last time they logged on.

Hmm, just now thought that maybe we could let it slide the first and second time, but on the 3rd occurrence (maybe within a week/month or so) it would force the password change. It could also notify them of that so they'd be warned and it wouldn't be so "accidental". That way if it is multiple people, chances of it being triggered are greater because it's actually shared and they weren't all warned - well, unless they tell each other.

contiga · #12 06-21-2006, 07:31 PM

It's quite annoying actually, I have one PC to do development on, and one to play on, and they are mostly both running, and when I wan't to play, I leave my work-pc on, for some online time (

) and go play on the other one, but now I can't anymore, since I'm being disconnected then! Rawr

ZeLpH_MyStiK · #13 06-22-2006, 01:50 AM

Maybe this system shouldn't detect pc id and have a range on the ip checks (i.e. maybe the last three digits on the ip shouldn't be checked).

calani · #14 06-22-2006, 03:58 AM

just make it from the same ip (if you're on the same network under a router, all the computers would be using the same ip). thus, you could be logged in on two computers without getting d/ced for account sharing.

ApothiX · #15 06-22-2006, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeLpH_MyStiK

Maybe this system shouldn't detect pc id and have a range on the ip checks (i.e. maybe the last three digits on the ip shouldn't be checked).

The most common type of account sharing is between people who are friends in real life. Having this kind of a hole in the checking scheme would allow people who live close by eachother to still share accounts.