Graal Rules.

SayianOozaru · #1 04-27-2006, 07:34 AM

Well i wasn't really sure where to post this, so i decided to just post it here.

Why aren't we allowed to share accounts?

We spent our money on buying the account, so why can't we do what we want with the account?

If accounts were free i could understand this rule, because then everyone would have one, and not need to share one.

But what if i wanted to let my brothers (i have 3 living in Maryland) play on here since Graal has gotten boring? Why would we get bant for this?

I spent my money on it, so i should say how i use it, weather that be sharing the account, or keeping it to myself.

Shiftk03- · #2 04-27-2006, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SayianOozaru

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Say one night your brother or whoever you let share your account, decides to download a trainer so he doesn't suck at Zone so much. A global happens to log on in time to ban your account. What then?

Warcaptain · #3 04-27-2006, 08:09 AM

Then that is the price you pay for letting that happen..

The real reason is because they want each person to pay for their own account.. otherwise hundreds of people can share one account.. one for each PW

**MysticalDragon** · #4 04-27-2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Warcaptain

Then that is the price you pay for letting that happen..

The real reason is because they want each person to pay for their own account.. otherwise hundreds of people can share one account.. one for each PW

I agree, I remember back when P2P first came out and that rule wasn't forced.EVERYONE one had a shared account includeing the players on the forums, so graal had to be strict about that rule.

Another reason I think shared accounts is illegal is because "playerworlds".How many playerworlds have been deleted due to password leaks or shared accounts?Tomany to be counted!So yea shared accounts is nothing but a headache and lost of profit.

-Ching · #5 04-27-2006, 04:35 PM

I have multiple personalities, I share my accounts with myselfs. plzdontbanmeiluvgraalitssofun

SayianOozaru · #6 04-27-2006, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiftk03-

Say one night your brother or whoever you let share your account, decides to download a trainer so he doesn't suck at Zone so much. A global happens to log on in time to ban your account. What then?

Isn't there a 'Computer IP' ban now or w/e? the Global would just use that...

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Originally Posted by WarCaptain

Then that is the price you pay for letting that happen..

The real reason is because they want each person to pay for their own account.. otherwise hundreds of people can share one account.. one for each PW

There's no difference between if you were playing on the account, and where on that playerworld...remember only 1 person on your account can log onto the same playerworld...

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Originally Posted by MysticalDragon

I agree, I remember back when P2P first came out and that rule wasn't forced.EVERYONE one had a shared account includeing the players on the forums, so graal had to be strict about that rule.

Another reason I think shared accounts is illegal is because "playerworlds".How many playerworlds have been deleted due to password leaks or shared accounts?Tomany to be counted!So yea shared accounts is nothing but a headache and lost of profit.

That can't happen anymore, since the player needs to have your ip to sign into the playerworld

Darlene159 · #7 04-27-2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SayianOozaru

Why aren't we allowed to share accounts?

Pretty sure that Graal will lose money if account sharing were allowed.
Not to mention, if something were to happen, the account holder could say "omg, that wasn't me, it was so and so who used my account!"
Yea, I know about the computer ID thing.
What about if the person is a friend that was at your house, on your computer? What if it's a family member in your house, on your computer?
Then people would expect to be unbanned or whatever because it was someone else using their account, but no proof.

I think it would open up a whole area of problems that does NOT need to be opened.

-Ching · #8 04-27-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

o used my account!"
Yea, I know about the computer ID thing.
What about if the person is a friend that was at your house, on your computer? What if it's a family member in your house, on your computer?
Then people would expect to be unbanned or whatever because it was someone else using their account, but no proof.

I think it would open up a whole area of problems that does NOT need to be opened.

Lol Think about what you just said.

SayianOozaru · #9 04-27-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Pretty sure that Graal will lose money if account sharing were allowed.
Not to mention, if something were to happen, the account holder could say "omg, that wasn't me, it was so and so who used my account!"

The staff could check the log in ip of the players account to see if he was lying or not. If he/she wasn't lying then the other ip would be banned, if he/she was lying then he/she would be banned, and the account wouldn't go to waste.

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Yea, I know about the computer ID thing.
What about if the person is a friend that was at your house, on your computer? What if it's a family member in your house, on your computer?

Well if you had a friend over your house and let him/her get on your account, then you would have to watch him/her, and if you didn't then that would be your problem.
Same goes with a family member, you would have to watch him/her to make sure he/she doesn't do anything stupid

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Then people would expect to be unbanned or whatever because it was someone else using their account, but no proof.

If there isn't any proof, then that's on the player. He/she took the risk at lending there account password out. Like i said it's your money, you should be able to do what you want with the account, and then it becomes your responsiblity to make sure nothing happens to it. And if you think that something bads going to happen with it then you just change the password...

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

I think it would open up a whole area of problems that does NOT need to be opened.

Not really...It would just require the Staff not being lazy, and taking the time to check the ip/computer ip...and i think that would only take a few sec/min...

Warcaptain · #10 04-27-2006, 07:37 PM

Just like any other game, I am sure its not THAT big of a deal if you just let someone thats visiting play on your account.. but its not allowed so that you can not try to say "it wasnt me" and also can not try to use it for any bigger reasons.. like trying to run some sort of time share buisness on accounts :-P

Damix2 · #11 04-27-2006, 10:07 PM

It is simple, it will lose GO money if accounts were allowed to be shared.

If you can't understand it you might want to seek some mental help.

Chris · #12 04-27-2006, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Damix2

It is simple, it will lose GO money if accounts were allowed to be shared.

If you can't understand it you might want to seek some mental help.

Exactly. This is a business Sayian.

Link3001 · #13 04-27-2006, 11:32 PM

Does this rule apply too whenever I buy an account (they are still mine) and I share them with my friends that help me out on a playerworld? Keep in mind they only login to that server they work on.

It would be a bit unfair if I couldnt 'loan' them my account, seeing as they are paid for and I dont use them for anything else then that.

Unpredlctable · #14 04-27-2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

Exactly. This is a business Sayian.

Now, if Graal Online were completely free, then I'm sure sharing of accounts wouldn't be a problem, so such a rule wouldn't be necessary.

Mark Sir Link · #15 04-28-2006, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Unpredlctable

Now, if Graal Online were completely free, then I'm sure sharing of accounts wouldn't be a problem, so such a rule wouldn't be necessary.

nice tribute to me you had earlier

SayianOozaru · #16 04-28-2006, 03:23 AM

Look there not losing out on money, because if you need to share an acc with a friend, then the friend would not have ever updated...so if the person would never upgrade in the first place...and like i said, ITS OUR MONEY WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT HOW WE WANT

that's like saying a skateboard companiny won't let you, let your friend skate it for awhile...

MysticX2X · #17 04-28-2006, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Pretty sure that Graal will lose money if account sharing were allowed.
Not to mention, if something were to happen, the account holder could say "omg, that wasn't me, it was so and so who used my account!"
Yea, I know about the computer ID thing.
What about if the person is a friend that was at your house, on your computer? What if it's a family member in your house, on your computer?
Then people would expect to be unbanned or whatever because it was someone else using their account, but no proof.

I think it would open up a whole area of problems that does NOT need to be opened.

You realize they can just log on your graal account if they are on your pc anyways without you knowing?

Darlene159 · #18 04-28-2006, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticX2X

You realize they can just log on your graal account if they are on your pc anyways without you knowing?

Not if the password of your account isn't saved on the client.

Lyndzey · #19 04-28-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SayianOozaru

that's like saying a skateboard companiny won't let you, let your friend skate it for awhile...

No it's not. When you let someone share your account, the typical scenario is person A uses it on one server and person B uses it on another. This means that two people are getting the benefits out of it, despite only one person paying for it.

Your metaphor is incorrect because only one of you can use the skateboard at a time, unlike Graal servers where multiple players can use the same account at the same time.

Malinko · #20 04-28-2006, 05:23 PM

SayianOozaru: You're correct, it's your money, use it how you wish.

Though, remember, this is a business, a game. We have certain rules that run this game and account sharing is against the rules. Once you paid for your account, you're agreeing to the Rules of Conduct and User Agreement, so therefore, you pay for your account, meaning you agree to both those documents, therefore you follow the rules. What's the problem?

Skyld · #21 04-28-2006, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SayianOozaru

Well i wasn't really sure where to post this, so i decided to just post it here.

Why aren't we allowed to share accounts?

We spent our money on buying the account, so why can't we do what we want with the account?

If accounts were free i could understand this rule, because then everyone would have one, and not need to share one.

But what if i wanted to let my brothers (i have 3 living in Maryland) play on here since Graal has gotten boring? Why would we get bant for this?

I spent my money on it, so i should say how i use it, weather that be sharing the account, or keeping it to myself.

You're a staff member on Zone. I am sure that you can appreciate not wanting anyone to log onto your account and cause problems that may affect your staff position. You may argue that there may be IP restrictions in place, but there will always be people with insecurish IP ranges or shared computers.

Faygolette · #22 05-02-2006, 09:00 AM

Now what if you buy someone else an account, is that illegal? If you give it to them and have no intention of ever using it yourself?

DarkPhantom316 · #23 05-02-2006, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Faygolette

Now what if you buy someone else an account, is that illegal? If you give it to them and have no intention of ever using it yourself?

I doubt graal online cares, as long as they're
getting the money

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But, I dont see how that's considered account
sharing if you GAVE the person the account,
and you aren't going to log on o_o, and you never
did log on to it.

Lyndzey · #24 05-02-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Faygolette

Now what if you buy someone else an account, is that illegal? If you give it to them and have no intention of ever using it yourself?

The problem with this is that the person who originally bought it has the payment information and can get the password changed. That means they can wait until the person gets a bunch of items on Kingdoms, Era, Maloria, etc, and then they can have the password changed.

You won't get banned if someone else upgraded an account for you. However, I advise to not let people do that. Instead, have them transfer money into your paypal account so you can upgrade it yourself.

MisterMastermind · #25 05-02-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyndzey

The problem with this is that the person who originally bought it has the payment information and can get the password changed. That means they can wait until the person gets a bunch of items on Kingdoms, Era, Maloria, etc, and then they can have the password changed.

You won't get banned if someone else upgraded an account for you. However, I advise to not let people do that. Instead, have them transfer money into your paypal account so you can upgrade it yourself.

What if somebody shares and account, but both of the two people sharing it have another P2P account?

Lyndzey · #26 05-02-2006, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

What if somebody shares and account, but both of the two people sharing it have another P2P account?

Two people should not be using one account.

We do this for security reasons. I've gotten so many tickets of "hey me and my friend used an account but now my guns are missing on era and i did all the work help me please". We make these rules to protect our players.

HitmanJ2XX · #27 05-18-2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lyndzey

Two people should not be using one account.

We do this for security reasons. I've gotten so many tickets of "hey me and my friend used an account but now my guns are missing on era and i did all the work help me please". We make these rules to protect our players.

Sounds like the same reason Bush wiretapped millions of phones across the US

"We're doing his to protect our citizens from terrortorism"
(and yes i know i spelled 'terrorism' wrong: its a bushism)

</sarcasm>

Draenin · #28 05-18-2006, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HitmanJ2XX

Sounds like the same reason Bush wiretapped millions of phones across the US

They are in no way related. Way to push your valuable opinion, though.

konidias · #29 05-18-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SayianOozaru

Look there not losing out on money, because if you need to share an acc with a friend, then the friend would not have ever updated...so if the person would never upgrade in the first place...and like i said, ITS OUR MONEY WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT HOW WE WANT

that's like saying a skateboard companiny won't let you, let your friend skate it for awhile...

You just threw your suggestion out the window with this post. Lyndzey made good points, and another good point is that a skateboard is not a service. It's an item. You fail to understand that you're paying for access to the Graal servers. You aren't "buying an account", like it's some sort of object. A better comparison would be like buying a pass to an amusement park, enjoying the park for half of the day and then giving your pass to someone else to use for the rest of the day. Does that seem logical? Why not just buy one pass, and have like 5 people share it and get 2 hours each? It's bad for business.

Your bold line is by far the most unintelligent part of your entire post. It doesn't even make sense. You just threw words together and typed in caps. You're using your money to buy an account... Graal isn't telling you how to use your money. If you mean it's your ACCOUNT... Accounts are free, it's the upgrade so that you can access other servers that costs money.

Lyndzey · #30 05-18-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HitmanJ2XX

Sounds like the same reason Bush wiretapped millions of phones across the US

"We're doing his to protect our citizens from terrortorism"
(and yes i know i spelled 'terrorism' wrong: its a bushism)

</sarcasm>

Um, what?

The only thing similar in these two cases is the syntax of each sentence. Preventing players from going on someone else's account is by no means a violation of someone's privacy.

Chris · #31 05-18-2006, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SayianOozaru

Look there not losing out on money, because if you need to share an acc with a friend, then the friend would not have ever updated...so if the person would never upgrade in the first place...and like i said, ITS OUR MONEY WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT HOW WE WANT

that's like saying a skateboard companiny won't let you, let your friend skate it for awhile...

Better to have your own account to be responsible for.

Skrobo2 · #32 05-18-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyndzey

The problem with this is that the person who originally bought it has the payment information and can get the password changed. That means they can wait until the person gets a bunch of items on Kingdoms, Era, Maloria, etc, and then they can have the password changed.

You won't get banned if someone else upgraded an account for you. However, I advise to not let people do that. Instead, have them transfer money into your paypal account so you can upgrade it yourself.

I trust Madrox

She has never logged on Skrobo2 even though she has the password and upgraded it.