Doomsday!

[CidNight1142]

Whoops. My bad.
Point still stands. Don't slander a server when you've already done it and been proven wrong just a few months ago.

[TifaKhan]

This is all so amusing <3 ^-^ *trolls* Yes i'm sorry for occasionally logging on to see whats new! Like the time i logged on Hiro's -new- forums to see you all bagging me when at that time i hadn't done anything. Is there a rule that says i can't defend myself? Please do point me to it

Cid deal with it, Doomsday is dead. It was dead before i closed it down.

Omini the day i have contact with Hiro is the day i move to Russia. (Except for him here on the forums that is :P)

HoudiniMan i agree that Doomsday was the 'original' Doomsday under SkyKnight, Jubei etc. There is and never really has been anything amazing or outstanding about it. This is one thing i don't understand. Why bring it back now after all these years, an old defunct server that nobody played. Sure people might come for the first week then they'd see how old everything was and leave. I fell in love with it because of the people mostly. It's the people that made it what it was. SkyKnight was a truly nice person. Jubei i was terrified of .
The people like Dameion, Leov, Baraka, their what made it great, and no Baraka wouldn't come back i still talk to him on msn.

Cid, what outcry from whom? How many people want it back again? Please show me this huge list of this large population that will work to get it back. Sure you might be one of them who come on here and say waa waa Tifa is the biatch who shut it down, but when are you going to get it through your head that you weren't here when i closed it down so you have no place to give any opinion on what happened!

I took control of Doomsday? Hmm lets see, unfortunately/ or fortunately/ after i became Manager Graal changed a lot. The following year or so saw new things like being able to make your own server, the present 'Manager' of said server became the 'Owner'. I certainly didn't ask to be made the last owner. Because of these first changes 98% of our staff left to go buy and make servers of their own or to get better rights. A fact. One you have no idea about because you weren't here!

I offered Doomsday to three people before i closed it down, they all refused seeing as it was going nowhere. I paid to bring it back for Davio and its still sitting there. I log on occasionally but the whole time its been back even under Davio's leadership the most RC's on at one time was...0. Fascinating! (Wait i saw you Houdini ) I kept asking Davio where all these people were that wanted it back and strangely enough that question never got answered. A few said oh we'll show up when its on classic! But um who was supposed to be working on it? (No i don't take offence at your petty words they can't hurt me.:P)

Zorganite (You sound suspiciously like Hiro ) Doomsday gave you the feelings that you wanted to play Graal? Funny you know Davio said basically the same thing. That's why he wanted me to bring it back so he could recapture that feeling. But it all came back to the same problem. Nobody had an upgraded account and/or were willing to work on it. So back to square one. Besides the feelings Doomsday gave were the ones back when Houdini described, when Graal olbies were around and made it special.

And that post you made up, i did not and have never said that so i'm going to just call you an out and out liar and troublemaker, that also points to you being Hiro :P

This is actually what i said:

Mass message: im sorry to those that dont understand please let me explain DD has been my heart and soul for two years now ive put everything of me into it and now it comes to this DD is dying I always said when it was me and the npc server i would close it down and every day now that happens im ready to move on, which in itself is hard for me because i am still addicted to graal please try to understand im not being selfish
Every word of that message was true. I did put 2 years of my life into DD (and for those challenged people i did not say i 'did all the work' And yes i did often say the day it was just me and the NPC server left i would close it down. So many days i logged on and thats all there was. DD was dying, i just decided i didn't have the fight in me to keep it going anymore. <3Doomsday<3

Hiro: Did everything Funny thing that statement. All Hiro ever said was he did 'everything' yet i saw nothing, not one new level nothing zero zilch nada. Supposedly you had it all on your computer? And how long were we waiting for all this Hiro? I think the fact that i chose to ignore the constant insults on your forums took a lot of patience considering. In the end i gave up. Again.
Cujo
Gambet
Houdini
Ajira
Gate

All of these past people were fired for one reason or another.
I didn't fire all those people <3 You like stirring up trouble don't you Hiro Even Gambit says he wasn't fired and you go out of your way to say he was, shouldn't he know? You really need to get over things!

Gambit Despite what Cid says i do remember you and yes i did upgrade accounts of my staff and ran events to give a prize of an upgraded account. Why did i do that? Because i was trying to keep people interested in Doomsday even though i knew deep down i was fighting a losing battle. But i do have to disagree. I was a 'good' Manager not a 'great' one. I did my best and in the end i gave up but not without a lot of tears and hurt. Why did past Managers like Baraka move on? He wasn't exactly a popular Manager either? But even he found it to much. People in control never are popular i accept that, i just couldn't accept the fact that Doomsday was dying until it got so bad i had to.
Oh and Hir.. oh Zorg calling you an idiot just proves my point. I did not close Doomsday down because i wanted it to be mine, i closed it down because it was dead.
And actually if Davio had been able to really get things going i think it would have been just great without me, i'm not so egotistical as to believe it couldn't possibly survive without me, i just believe it will do better left dead without people like Hiro involved who only want power for themselves.
Yes i closed down a dynasty, a dead server that was once great but it died because of the future that became Graal.

Doesn't matter who had been the last Owner/Manager, who in their right mind is going to put up a dead server nobody played on.
Just so happens it was me and because i'm female you choose to insult me repeatedly in emails (Points Hiro) I'm sure if it had been someone else you wouldn't have been so insulting.

You keep saying you want it back for the community Hir..Zorg, i ask you again who is this community. Please send me a list of all upgraded accounts/names/experience/willingness/of all these people who will work to make it up to standards.

Hiro, lets not bother with keeping up this false sham, i did not claim i was doing all the work, so i really do wish you stop. I said several times and i repeat WarLord was working on the mines, he made the mines, he made the GFX. I simply helped place the GFX where he wanted. Deny it if you wish but those are the facts and i should know. I fired WarLord after repeated arguements he had with every member of staff. He would accuse them all of not doing anything and then when they offered to help he said there was nothing for them to do. So it was a lose lose situation. In the end he got insulting and i fired him and he took his mines with him. Guess what? After that we had nothing left. Know why? Because nobody else was working on anything!

Dusty had nothing to do with my closing Doomsday down so please stop insinuating that. At the time i was still very close with Davio and Dusty was just a friend. Davio and i are still friends and if you wish to dispute this please do feel free to ask him because i've shown him a lot of your claims and he says one thing straight, and that he can't stand you and never talked to you.
Cid you keep going on and on and on about Doomsday revivals that i shut down. I actually brought back a Doomsday reunion remember? Oh wait i don't think you were here!

I don't need a Graal 'fix' I just like to keep up with things and see whose bashing me now. I do have the right to defend myself no matter how many times you bring up the same old accusations of things that you weren't even here for.
Case rested.
Until next time!
*waves* bye Hiro

(P.s.) Are there no rules for people making multiple accounts and getting repeatedly banned?

[xAndrewx]

I agree with Tifa. Hiya <3

[TifaKhan]

Hello I was going to edit but add here instead. I was just told on msn that Malinko is possibly going to try get control of Doomsday, which is rather strange seeing as there is a server called Doomsday allready up on a server i paid for. Is this legal?

Malinko's message to my friend:
Earlier, I spoke with Stefan. I remember a few months ago, I first heard about the Doomsday issue. Of course, it took a few months contacting staff from the past and present, like three months, but it's hard doing it alone. *Shrugs* Though, back to the subject, after speaking to Stefan, I think I'm convincing him that the content can be used from someone else, as long as their is significant support from the other staff as well, sort of like electing a Manager or so. Tifa is the last active Manager, correct, meaning she has the rights, though, GraalOnline has full rights, which can be distributed to someone. Well, as long as it is for a great benefit, in my own opinion.

Though, I am asking, do you think it's rightful to have Doomsday back online, with someone else having rights to the content? I think it's a big waste to have the content offline being unused. After arguing with Tifa for a while, months that is, she needs to act as a rightful past Manager and see the world live.

Be nice if you did speak to me wouldn't it but you haven't of course Malinko.

By the way for reference just how many unused levels and playerworlds are there, i don't imagine Doomsday is the only one.

All this time fighting for a once dead server that nobody wanted, seriously you could have made your own by now.

[Zorganite]

Welcome Tifa, the broken record.

If you had looked you would have seen the changes. During the entire time working on it, you only came on RC twice. Thats pretty good to see the wonderful changes huh?

Secondly, fi you didn't want to be owner, then there are plenty of other people who could have taken it. Why not give it to Davio right there instead of closing the server? Did that ever occur to you?

And ues Dusty had things to do with getting it shut down. On your forums, he was constantly saying how much he didn't want Doomsday back, how you should keep it closed, and you listened to him appernerly. He was saying the same thing when you uploaded it on your server again. Whether the impact was small or not, he was one, or is one of the closest people to you, so he has influence.

As for a list of the community, did you not play Doomsday when it was up or something? All those people would come back, or have rumored that they would come back. The people who have already contacted me, or other people about this are:
Cid, Boston, Omini, Ultima, SkyKnight, Choas, Agret, Ajira, Davio, Xero,, Jenny, Sliq, Ristle, Bassett, Blitz, Azreil, Stanislav, Rain (all 6 or 7 of them or whatever), Wind, Zack, Slikrick, Gate, Xargen, Shadow Darkstar, and many more. Those are just a few who have said they would probably come back to at least see the server. Many others, and some I don't know say they really liked Doomsday and would like to play on it again, or all the rumored memories of Doomsday makes them want to play it. Plus all of the random people who would stop by and see why Doomsday was such a good server in the first place. Just because there are only a few back with accounts posting on this forum or another are few, do not assume that means the force is weak.

And if it was dead then why did you see all the people asking you to not close it down? The constant people and petetions saying "Help Doomsday" and "Don't close down Doomsday"

How about this image:

I find this image saddening, that these were the last people on the server after you constantly ignored everyone.

How abot this image?

Don't you want to have fun like this again? Don't you want to have a community of Doomsday players again? How sick of you to take that away from dedicated people who have spent over 3000 hours on the server instead of somewhere else.

Yes, it's true, we could have made our own server by now. We could have made something completely differen't. But we want Doomsday. I don't think you'll ever understand that, and I don't think you ever will if you don't get that by now. There were many willing people who would have been more dedicated to Doomsday than you, and you were blind to see them. I hope Malinko does go through with this because it would make my heart sing.

And theres no way to contact you other than the forums, and by the looks of things, it looked like you were long gone until we got someone else to contact you, which is too much of a bother.

[TifaKhan]

You Hiro to suffer from broken record syndrome. You keep coming up with the same baseless arguements and lies. I logged on RC more than 2 times, i live in Australia and i was on at different times than you if you can comprehend that.
Not one of the things that i brought up have you an answer for except to say that all these people will PROBABLY PLAY. Play not work, and probably are a bit BUTS. That is no certainty now is it.
Consult Davio again, he can't stand you, and he won't even talk to you and i know for a fact your lying about him because for the record he doesn't call me Tifa, never has and never will. Yet you constantly say Davio said 'Tifa' this or 'Tifa' that. Ask him and message me his response.
You know my email Hiro, you sent me enough insulting emails remember?
For the record, where were all those people when i actually closed it down?
Doomsday was dead. I had no choice.
Lay off about Dusty before i start thinking its harrassment. I was in love with Davio when i closed Doomsday down. Yes Dusty is all for it now like he said on your forums because he knows what you put me through. He saw all the posts remember? Remember the post "I wish Tifa was dead?" Very encouraging to read that wasn't it. Did you expect the person who loves me to say sure give them DD back when they wish you dead?
Just back off Hiro, i've sent several messages and i won't stop until it's over. I paid for a server, put DD on it and i will only give it to someone i trust which sure isn't you.
I still have the link to your lovely site where you have that disgusting stuff you posted about me and what you said about Graal, care me to show it?

[CidNight1142]

*sigh* And so it comes.

DD was my favorite server, ever. I gave up a huge chunk of my life for that server. I felt like I was an absolutely integral part of the life and times of that server. Because I had to go to college and I retired from Graal only a couple of months before DD went downhill, I am worthless. You really don't know how much that hurts me Tifa. I didn't know that Unix was going to release the private server system only 2 months after I quit graal. I didn't know that half of the staff would disappear. I retired, you hired a new co-manager. At the time it seemed like nothing, we had able admins who could take my place and do a great job. And we both assumed that's what would happen. There was no bad blood at the time, so please stop using me as your grand sample of everyone jumping ship in your time of need. That wasn't me. If I was there a month longer and I was able to see the tide turn, I would have stayed. I would have stayed until the end. I would have fought for the server until you had to kick me off RC to shut it down. I would have been there to help. If I could go back in time and do it all over I would. That is why I fight for DD now, as repentance for leaving just a month too soon. I was willing to put the time in to Doomsday, I was willing to do whatever it took to get it going. I know there were many others who would have been there to help to.

I don't know Lucy, do whatever you think is right. It's your decision.

[Malinko]

Tifa contacted me.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by TifaKhan

I didn't fire all those people <3 You like stirring up trouble don't you Hiro Even Gambit says he wasn't fired and you go out of your way to say he was, shouldn't he know? You really need to get over things!

Thanks, Tifferz :P


Yes, I find it amusing when people try to point the finger and tell me where I've been fired from. Heck, I remember talking to Tifa a few weeks/months after DD was closed, and we spoke as friends. I was never fired from Doomsday, the server just died out, because as I had stated and Tifa just stated, people start losing interest, and Tifa was out of options. I did not know that Tifa had offered the position to other people, so that is new to me, but that just proves the point that Tifa did not selfishly take down DD.

Originally Posted by Zorganite

You were fired when she re-put up the server. I was there when she removed you, and that was after you put that stupid timer on the train station, and abused a buncha **** she gave you.

I may be known for many things, but none of those things is being corrupt. And that "stupid timer" in the train station was requested and approved by higher administration, because players were using the train station to idle on player so that they can accumulate hours and not worry about being disconnected for not moving. Maybe you should learn some facts before you speak out of your backside.

Originally Posted by Zorganite

As for the whole "Team without Tifa isn't a team" this shows me that you are in the same boat as Tifa, where she believes a Doomsday without her isn't Doomsday at all. this is false - all projects to get the server back up have not been seen through because of Tifa. Because she keeps shutting things down, rather than passing them on. It is ludacris to believe that Doomsday cannot survive without Tifa, and if I am correct, it did so in the pass quite well.

Can Doomsday survive without Tifa? Maybe.

Will it ever be the same without the same old staff? Of course not.

Originally Posted by Zorganite

As for who I am, I won't say. You don't deserve to know.

Nice excuse for trying to hide your identity so you don't get in trouble.

If you are Hiro, and I were you, then I guess I wouldn't want to show my face on the forums, either.

[Blitz_Hunter]

[CidNight1142]

Originally Posted by Blitz_Hunter

Yeah. That sounds about right...

[TifaKhan]

Originally Posted by CidNight1142

*sigh* And so it comes.

DD was my favorite server, ever. I gave up a huge chunk of my life for that server. I felt like I was an absolutely integral part of the life and times of that server. Because I had to go to college and I retired from Graal only a couple of months before DD went downhill, I am worthless. You really don't know how much that hurts me Tifa. I didn't know that Unix was going to release the private server system only 2 months after I quit graal. I didn't know that half of the staff would disappear. I retired, you hired a new co-manager. At the time it seemed like nothing, we had able admins who could take my place and do a great job. And we both assumed that's what would happen. There was no bad blood at the time, so please stop using me as your grand sample of everyone jumping ship in your time of need. That wasn't me. If I was there a month longer and I was able to see the tide turn, I would have stayed. I would have stayed until the end. I would have fought for the server until you had to kick me off RC to shut it down. I would have been there to help. If I could go back in time and do it all over I would. That is why I fight for DD now, as repentance for leaving just a month too soon. I was willing to put the time in to Doomsday, I was willing to do whatever it took to get it going. I know there were many others who would have been there to help to.

I don't know Lucy, do whatever you think is right. It's your decision.

You see, that's exactly it. DD was my favourite server ever to, thats why i gave a huge chunk of my life to. And finally you admit you didn't know half the staff would disappear and jump ship. If you had stayed it could still be there. I'm sorry to use you as an example but that's because you and Hiro are the ones jumping on my case the most.

Malinko i have not contacted you, i have contacted the help desk and messaged Stefan allthough judging from past history i don't expect a reply from him.

Yes i'm 100% sure that is Hiro and i'm wondering if its only because of the fact he brought another account that he is allowed to stay here, because he's had several others banned for his abuse, why is he being allowed to make another?

I would like to know why Stefan is considering breaking the very rules that have been implemented. I went through and read them and it clearly states:

Reviving A Playerworld Project:
Any files uploaded into the file-manager becomes the sole property of Graalonline. When a player works for a playerworld as a 'Staff' member all files given to the manager to upload, or uploaded themselves, becomes property of Graalonline. Temporary usage rights (until shutdown of a playerworld) is given to the playerworld manager while the playerworld is online. This right of usage is terminated when the playerworld is shut down. If someone wants to use any of the files again (i.e.: Playerworld Revive Project) Graal and its representatives must be contacted before they can be uploaded again. To gain usage rights to any Playerworld previously online, the individual must contact Graal's representative and the last active manager(s) to gain permission and usage rights to the files of a shutdown Playerworld.

Guess the rules just don't stand anymore. What is the point of them it doesn't look like they are going to be kept.

This right of usage is terminated when the playerworld is shut down

To gain usage rights to any Playerworld previously online, the individual must contact Graal's representative and the last active manager(s) to gain permission and usage rights to the files of a shutdown Playerworld.

Yes right?

It's not like i am dead even though people on Hiro's forum wished it even before this all happened.

If you wish to contact me Stefan/Malinko my email is [email protected]
Agret knows it, Davio knows it, UP knows it. It's no big secret, it's not hard to get.
If i receive anymore insulting or disgusting emails because of showing my email address i will be sure to notify the appropriate authorities (That goes for Hiro)

[Tom]

What tifa is saying is true, and i really dont think its fair if they bypass rules they made for everyone X-x, Seems rather stupid heh

[Zorganite]

Originally Posted by Tom

What tifa is saying is true, and i really dont think its fair if they bypass rules they made for everyone X-x, Seems rather stupid heh

The rule is stupid, and it should be changed. One person should not have the power to close down a server, especially with a community and history behind it.

I'm not reading anymore of Tifa's posts because I already know what they say: "I tried my best and everyone left so I did what I thought was right and Zorg..I mean hiro haha you bypasser omg you are an ******* and stuff and I hate you dont talk to me even though I keep posting crap and lying about what really happens"

So I'm not going to argue anymore, on anyones behalf. If Tifa is following the rules and they can't be changed, then whatever. Go be happy that you ruined our server Tiff, cause I doubt you'll find anyone to manage your server anymore.

[Malinko]

Tifa.

I posed a question to you on the GraalOnline Support Center. I am well aware of the rules and so is Stefan. How about answer my questions there?

[CidNight1142]

Originally Posted by TifaKhan

And finally you admit you didn't know half the staff would disappear and jump ship.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. I've always said I didn't know that staff would disappear. And please don't insist that I've wished your death or whatever, because I've never said anything like that. I've always voiced my opinions against your actions concerning this matter, never you. For a very long time I considered you the best friend I had ever made on this pixelated disaster we call Graal. However, simply because I didn't agree with you about the server we made you have disowned me and seem to never want to speak to me again. I really hope that's not how you treat friendship in the real world, a transendental whisp of trust that can be broken by the simplest of disagreements. If you'll ever consider our friendship more than that, then let me talk to you about this issue mind to mind. We'll see if you can convince me it should be shut down, or if I can convince you it shouldn't be.
Oh well, do as you wish.

[BahamutZeroX]

Originally Posted by TifaKhan

I paid for a server, put DD on it and i will only give it to someone i trust which sure isn't you.

I don't see how the denying of Hiro being Manager has to be this big thing to the point of halting ALL progress and putting DD 6 feet under again. You simply didn't trust him, but gave him the chance to take the spot light anyways. And what happened in return? In your eyes, he didn't succeed and flamed you in return.

Not to take offense, but what did you expect from someone you didn't respect nor trust that much in the first place AND insulted you in the past? Your the Owner, tell him he is not wanted as the Manager of DD; don't drag everyone along with him with this dramatic scene...there was people on those forums who were helping besides him and you basically said "**** you, im out"

Let us do as you just said by giving us the chance to find someone you trust, or at least damned close...doesn't have to be Hiro, (no offense to you bro, we all appreciate your effort for DD) there's tons of time to consider people. You said yourself before that all you wanted to do was spectate without any managing....so even if anything went wrong, you would be there. I don't see the big risk there.

[TifaKhan]

Originally Posted by Zorganite

The rule is stupid, and it should be changed. One person should not have the power to close down a server, especially with a community and history behind it.

I'm not reading anymore of Tifa's posts because I already know what they say: "I tried my best and everyone left so I did what I thought was right and Zorg..I mean hiro haha you bypasser omg you are an ******* and stuff and I hate you dont talk to me even though I keep posting crap and lying about what really happens"

So I'm not going to argue anymore, on anyones behalf. If Tifa is following the rules and they can't be changed, then whatever. Go be happy that you ruined our server Tiff, cause I doubt you'll find anyone to manage your server anymore.

Mhmm






Looks pretty clear to me to Hiro. Any Admins care to take a look at the similarities in all of these accounts all know to be owned by Hiro aka LogicBot aka Tsu etc?

a) If you are banned, the ban applies to you specifically - not merely your account. If you return to the board with a new account, it is considered evasion of your ban - regardless of how much time has passed since the original banning. If you obtain special permission to post from a high admin, you must make the moderators aware of this by contacting a supermod before you register your account. If you do not, your account may still be banned.

Malinko i have replied now i await your reply.

[Omini]

Tifa ****. It's clear you dislike Hiro, you've made it more than obvious. With the banning evasion thing, it depends on the reason he was banned (and I'll admit, I don't know the reason). However, I believe you're here just to cause arguments. Everything was fine, there were no arguments/debates this hot in reference to DD until you showed up with your "omg no I wont let you etc etc".

I have 2 accounts, this one and SSJ4_Vegetto. SSJ4_Vegetto was globally banned for "Deletion of a Playerworld", and I don't even know what playerworld. That's all cleared up though.

Yes you have a right to defend yourself, but just wise up with the whole "omg it's Hiro, ban him plz because I dislike him so much ". It's getting annoying.

[CidNight1142]

It's certainly working as a great tactic to completely ignore our arguments though.

And Tifa, did you forget to put something in there that ties him to Zorganite? Because all those seem to do is tie together the three Hiro accounts that are already banned.
-edit- Ah, the first link was sending me to the second link for some reason. Safari be a funny wench. Then on this note. Perhaps Hiro and Zorganite are friends? I don't know. Either way, you're still evading the points like Omini said.

[Omini]

The first one is supposed to be 'sufficient evidence' because his fav. server is "Old DoomsDay" and the website is zomglol.net

[TifaKhan]

Oh yes Omini everything was fine while an Admin was trying to convince Stefan to give a playerworld i have payed for to him without my permission *rolleyes* Did you seriously expect me to sit back while Doomsday is on the server i own and do nothing while someone tries to take it from me? I'm sure you would do the same for your server now wouldn't you. You would fight tooth and nail to keep something you paid for. Doomsday is there, it has a name, it has an Owner. I will defend myself because it is my right to and i'm sick to death of the insults. You people think you can wish me dead on your forums and then get me to hand over Doomsday to you? This all happened BEFORE i closed it down the second time. Everyone had a good laugh didn't they Omini, yes yes we all wish Tifa is dead hahahaha. Now give us Doomsday. Guess what, no.

Rules are rules, and Hiro is not beneath them. He is the one repeatedly making accounts in order to bash me and provoke arguements and insult me. I have had the same account for how long now?

Lets consider something. This person has made an account with the sole purpose of egging people on to get control of Doomsday. If you do a search you will see numerous posts by him where he openly breaks forum rules, insults Moonie and others. I'm sure Graal doesn't need him. Not here anyway. For someone who made a new account he sure 'appears' to have a lot of words to say about me doesn't he. I'm sure they can figure out if it is him or not. I just gave them a little helping hand or nudge.

At this point i'm still waiting for Malinko's reply and until then i consider this 'debate' over and i would appreciate it very much if you keep the insults to a minimum. Thank you.

Why would i ignore your arguements Cid just because you ignore mine and keep bringing up the same accusations that i have to bring up the same defences for and then you call me a broken record?

As i said i'm waiting for Malinko's reply.

Not that it's any of your business but i have been speaking with someone and hinted about giving them DD. They laughed and refused. One down.

Quote Malinko : Tifa has nothing on me.

*Brushes shoulders off*

I have a plan, WHAT PLAN? No one can know now, but it's a plan...OF SUCCESS.

I have my own plan thank you very much and it doesn't involve an admin taking control of my server. I will choose someone myself.


Thank you and goodnight

[CidNight1142]

No one is insulting you. I certainly have not been insulting you. And as I said before I never ever wished death on you or anything silly like that. Go back and ready my post.

I have my own plan thank you very much and it doesn't involve an admin taking control of my server. I will choose someone myself.

However, if you are willing to support DD and pick an admin yourself, I'm sure everyone would be fine with that. Hey look at that, no ones power hungry. Maybe we really do just care about the server we loved and its not all a plot to diss you in front of the community?

[BahamutZeroX]

Sry to repeat myself, but I believe this whole thread was about people thinking Tifa was closing it down for good. Tifa stated a couple months ago that DD was NEVER going to go up simply because Hiro was denied being Manager, which was utter bull****.

YET she just said 2-3 times already that she would still consider people for managing it, which is decieving She either blew off some steam or is flip flopping, but despite what she thought 2 months ago, she is still leaving the door open. If she would still be thinking the way she had 2 months ago, then I'd be a different story, but it's not anymore, so why continue to go through all of this legal/illegal bull**** that will end up nowhere when there's a legitimate way?

[Blitz_Hunter]

So.. why can't it come back, I mean **** its not like its a piece of gold or something. Its a damn server which in all is a game. Let some one else take over and be done with it, geez. I don't get it.

[HoudiniMan]

If the world is online it cannot be revived by somebody else.

At the very least you will need to wait for the world to expire, they rented the server for that ammount of time and the content belongs to them. Without Tifa's consent you can not use it.

[CidNight1142]

She bought if for like 5 years, didn't she? Lol, either way, if Tifa would like to pick a manager and then support that individual, I'm all for it.

[BahamutZeroX]

This was the plan the entire time, people just have to let go of Hiro's attempt and try to figure something else out with somebody else cause frankly, it's over with him Not to sound cold, but it's just how it is. He did a really good job, but she simply doesn't want him as Manager, especially after all this mess.

[TifaKhan]

Dude i was writing up this huge reply after i got home to cover what i missed.
Now is not a good time though, sorry.

Let me just leave you with this:

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...light=doomsday

Quote zell12: I love to see some people have not lost all intrest in Mithica. I would of kept it open, however with the bs about buying servers, and the 10 thousand manager changes, I felt I'd rather let it retire as a great server, then die as a crap one.

Thats what i've always said *shrugs*

Depressed, be back later.

Family stuff.

[Omini]

I'm not wishing for you to be dead and I'm not wishing for you to hand over DoomsDay. I'm 'wishing' for you to stop picking a fight with Hiro.

[Thallen]

You guys should stop arguing with Tifa, she seems like she's proven her point enough.

[TifaKhan]

Originally Posted by Omini

I'm not wishing for you to be dead and I'm not wishing for you to hand over DoomsDay. I'm 'wishing' for you to stop picking a fight with Hiro.

Ahem, then how about you tell Hiro to stop making repeated accounts for the sole purpose of logging on here to insult/bash/verbally attack me?

*mumble* I'm not in the mood for this.

[Omini]

Originally Posted by TifaKhan

Ahem, then how about you tell Hiro to stop making repeated accounts for the sole purpose of logging on here to insult/bash/verbally attack me?

*mumble* I'm not in the mood for this.

I'll pass the message on, but provoking an argument isn't going to help things.

If you're not in the mood for this, then why not go relax and ease your mind?

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Thallen

You guys should stop arguing with Tifa, she seems like she's proven her point enough.

I hope she doesn't sue.

[CidNight1142]

Originally Posted by Thallen

You guys should stop arguing with Tifa, she seems like she's proven her point enough.

No one. Is arguing. With Tifa. We've obviously left it up to her.
The only thing I wanna point out is in that thread, the one where the person spoke of Mithica. Did you notice how many people spoke of wanting to see Doomsday revived? Lots. Including Moonie and many others.

[BahamutZeroX]

Originally Posted by TifaKhan

Quote zell12: I love to see some people have not lost all intrest in Mithica. I would of kept it open, however with the bs about buying servers, and the 10 thousand manager changes, I felt I'd rather let it retire as a great server, then die as a crap one.

DD has hardly even gone through that many Managers since it was brought back up What, three? And isn't that what all Owners take the risk of? It's something that can never be avoided, even in the most successful servers...You can't live on the idea that DD will go to **** if it is being run by the wrong person, then not put it up just because you think that.

If all Owners thought that for their server, then Graal would go nowhere. Just because it happened to one server doesn't mean it'll happen for another. It's a game, it's not a crucial life decision, all hell isn't going to freeze over just because there might be someone down the road that isn't a good Manager.

[Andy0687]

I know this thread isnt about Mithica, but I think Excal should have kept it open, it was pretty BS the day I logged on after getting back from losing my internet then it was gone.

I would have arugued to the ends of the earth but it was pretty usless.

I know how the DD people feel in that respect.

Same with EL but it wasnt really anyones choice but Stefans that we get put off the list.

No sense in fighting for mithica since i think didnt Kerin or someone buy a server for it? Which made it suck worse then before? (New tilsets? Extra Garbage?).

Oh well, All the managers of the great servers make the same mistake (Shut it down in what their eyes is a "Great" server, instead of giving it to someone so it will stay alive as a great server).

[-Ching]

Originally Posted by Chris

I hope she doesn't sue.

Hahahaha. I think she isnt that stupid, I mean what sort of daft person would want to waste their time doing that?

[TifaKhan]

Ok because i'm to lazy to do all the quote quote stuff, have to go to work shortly.

Cid in my world calling someone a psycho is considered an insult.

The second time i mentioned people laughing at haha yes i hope Tifa is dead was before i addressed you.

Yes i have allready asked someone if they would be interested and they laughed and said no, so your right, not everyone is power hungry.

Ultima the whole thread wasn't about people thinking i was closing it down for good. It was about someone who thought they could take control of my server.

I don't think i stopped considering it going back, after all that's why i did in the first place because Davio wanted to revive it. But then after he left it sat there empty again. I just simply haven't found anyone i trust yet.

Why continue to go through all this legal/illegal bull as you say? Because people like to try go against the rules. I like rules, they keep us safe.

Blitz why can't it come back? It is back, scroll down on RC. I just don't have anyone i trust to run it since Davio left.

HoudiniMan thank you. I'll be in touch as i have further questions yet about playerworlds, and i'm not sure where to look for the answers.

Ultima if this was the plan the entire time why did someone try to do it the wrong way instead of the right way. Could have been handled a lot better by said person contacting me personally.


Thallen thank you but something tells me considering how this comes up every few months, even if i find someone i trust to try revive Doomsday, this is still going to happen. People like saying i suck.


Chris 0.0 I'm confused, sue for what? I handled everything through the service desk and HoudiniMan settled it all for me.

Cid 0.O The last few threads about Doomsday is everyone arguing with me. Bringing up the same arguements that i have to give the same defences to only to be insulted for doing so.

Yes i did notice how many wanted Doomsday back vs Mithica, i even showed Malinko the results of my survey, here you go.

oldbravo+1+1+1
doomsday+1+1+1+1+1
OldGraal2001+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1
Graal the Adventure.+1+1+1+1+1+1+1
Graal 3000 +1+1+1
Elven Lands+1+1+1+1
Enigma+1
Damasca+1
Mithica +1+1+1+1
Andor+1+1+1
Dino Valley +1+1+1+1
Xone+1+1+1+1+1+1
Providence+1+1+1+1
Sanstrata+1
Archaic+1
Rudora.+1+1
Faheria+1+1+1
Codename Element+1
Era original+1+1+1
Cynical+1
Graal 2000+1
Frolic+1

Mithica had one less than Doomsday and Malinko himself even voted for Mythica, and as i pointed out don't you think there are a lot of servers that the present active Graalians would like back more so than Doomsday? The thread was held this year, so its very current.
<3 Moonie, i always loved talking to her.

Ultima i agree you are right (gasp i do that some times-agree with people) Doomsday didn't go through as many Managers, and yes its a risk we take, i was simply pointing out that with zell, that is exactly how i have felt since i first had to close DD down, except nobody made zell a punching bag for it, yet they did me.

Andy I remember Mithica, i actually liked it to. What happened to you was pretty bad to. I feel for you.

Time i wasn't here.

[CidNight1142]

I don't recall calling you 'psycho'. All I did was disagree with your decision. But as you noted, alot of people would like to see DD back, it was pretty much the most wanted back server that wasn't considered a "main" server like graal2001 or Graal the Adventure. All I'm saying is consider that in your decision on what to do with such precious cargo as the server we all loved.