Graal coping with hackers?

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Loriel

"Action"? What kind of action did you expect?

At least let me use the complex GP and jail system i made XD

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

At least let me use the complex GP and jail system i made XD

/openban foobar

[Maniaman]

/openban is deprecated

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Maniaman

/openban is deprecated

So is not quoting who you are replying to.

[xXziroXx]

Tenex had his level(s) on Maloria since he bribed Icarus into making them and then upload them for him. They were removed a long time ago.

And the guy is a genious with Art Money, thats what he use for everything.



ADD: He works on Maloria as Debugger since he knows how to find glitches, and he can fix them. Ironicly, he has actually improved some of the systems by making them hack secure.

Plus, the job keeps him from reseting people.

[Thallen]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Tenex had his level(s) on Maloria since he bribed Icarus into making them and then upload them for him. They were removed a long time ago.

And the guy is a genious with Art Money, thats what he use for everything.



ADD: He works on Maloria as Debugger since he knows how to find glitches, and he can fix them. Ironicly, he has actually improved some of the systems by making them hack secure.

Plus, the job keeps him from reseting people.

That doesn't change the fact that he still breaks rules. Did you not look at the screenshots? They're from 2 days ago. Staff on Maloria is scared of Tenex, plain and simple. I told the GP Chief numerous times about how he acts and he says he doesn't care, to just 'stay out of his way.' As a matter of fact, everyone is saying this. Tenex is more of the manager of Maloria then Maniaman is.

[Maniaman]

Originally Posted by Thallen

That doesn't change the fact that he still breaks rules. Did you not look at the screenshots? They're from 2 days ago. Staff on Maloria is scared of Tenex, plain and simple. I told the GP Chief numerous times about how he acts and he says he doesn't care, to just 'stay out of his way.' As a matter of fact, everyone is saying this. Tenex is more of the manager of Maloria then Maniaman is.

We aren't scared of him.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by SilentOne1988

Without me, Maloria would still have their insecure trade system, all that pie and gold sure got the staffs attention quickly, its unfortunate that it has to come to abusing it to get the problem fixed.

I've seen these types of answers to hacking all the time. It's so ****ing stupid.

If 0 people in this world hacked, why would YOU need to even attempt to go for insecure trade/pie/gold when 0 people are hacking? This is, of course, in an ideal situation but the point is there.

At least let me use the complex GP and jail system i made XD

If thats a dev server you can do it to anyone who comes by.

[xXziroXx]

Why did you have to bring PIE into this? -_-

And when we say "stay out of his way", its for your own good we say it.

[SilentOne1988]

Originally Posted by Gerami

I've seen these types of answers to hacking all the time. It's so ****ing stupid.

If 0 people in this world hacked, why would YOU need to even attempt to go for insecure trade/pie/gold when 0 people are hacking? This is, of course, in an ideal situation but the point is there.

So what happens then when someone comes along who knows a lot about what they are doing, and they abuse it and complete screw the economy up? Better than me quietly abusing it on my own and milking every drop out of it.

[Thallen]

Originally Posted by Maniaman

We aren't scared of him.

Wow. I logged on about 5 minutes ago to see Eclipse on another shared account, on another self-generated staff tag (Police) to notice myself jailed for another bull**** reason. I asked another Police what happened and got, guess what, another stupid reason why they won't help, "I didn't do it, I'm not messing with Tenex." He jailed me for the same false reason he did before, even after you unjailed me, and this time, he's decided to reset and jail the account "Sword", which is the account in the screenshot in my first post that HE was illegally levelling. Isn't it kind of clear to you guys yet that this guy is not a person who you want on your server? Can I please have my accounts let out of jail and can you please get this idiot to quit harassing me? This is getting old really fast.

Accounts he has recently used: Drelawyn (shared), 5starpimp (shared), PHAEXAU (shared)

Originally Posted by Maniaman

jail.Thallen=Scamming ironguy and refusing to give back the item (also denying he have them)

Seems like a legit reason to me.

Yeah, looks can be decieving, why haven't you realized this upon 'hiring' Tenex. If you could please, private message me the proof you find to this claim, and after 15 minutes of not finding any proof, PM me "I am and idiot," and unjail me, please and thanks. He is mad because me and some friends PKed his buddy Ironguy for about 30 minutes straight after he stole some kills. The only excuse for scamming would be failure in scripting or ignorance of a player, in which Graal doesn't compensate for either. When a server manager can't handle an issue, who do you go to next? He claims he needs 3 days to analyze the log, though I doubt he'll commit 1 hour into it. Regardless, isn't there something called innocence until proven guilty?
What is your reaction to the screenshots posted in the first thread? None, because you are afraid of Tenex, again...

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Thallen

Wow. I logged on about 5 minutes ago to see Eclipse on another shared account, on another self-generated staff tag (Police) to notice myself jailed for another bull**** reason. I asked another Police what happened and got, guess what, another stupid reason why they won't help, "I didn't do it, I'm not messing with Tenex." He jailed me for the same false reason he did before, even after you unjailed me, and this time, he's decided to reset and jail the account "Sword", which is the account in the screenshot in my first post that HE was illegally levelling. Isn't it kind of clear to you guys yet that this guy is not a person who you want on your server? Can I please have my accounts let out of jail and can you please get this idiot to quit harassing me? This is getting old really fast.

Wtf? I suggest you try and stay away until the staff there get their **** straight.

[Maniaman]

jail.Thallen=Scamming ironguy and refusing to give back the item (also denying he have them)

Seems like a legit reason to me.

[-Ching]

Lol @ Thallen.

Sort yourself out before you start complaining about others, please.

[Infernix]

Graal does not associate with those who hack thus disturbing game play. If Tenex is hacking and their is legit proof of it. This is just another failure by graal staff to handle a problem.

Whats new eh?

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Infernix

Graal does not associate with those who hack thus disturbing game play. If Tenex is hacking and their is legit proof of it. This is just another failure by graal staff to handle a problem.

Wait, what? Graal staff is not responsible for playerworlds who fail to secure their scripting, or even give RC to trainer users.

[irule13]

Originally Posted by Maniaman

jail.Thallen=Scamming ironguy and refusing to give back the item (also denying he have them)

Seems like a legit reason to me.

yeah he scammed ironguys tundras and my ring of elements that ironguy was borrowing
also 5starpimp is adam aka slasher not eclipse
and the account is not shared

edit- i could be wrong but isnt there a rule against bashing playerworlds on the forums?

[FantasyX]

Uh, what gave you the idea of the account "5starpimp" being one of Eclipse's accounts? You're a complete ***** who *****es and whines about everything because you don't get your way. What Eclipse did might have been wrong, but making false accusations with no proof proves how much of a complete ***** you truly are. Also, not a single on of Eclipse/Tenex's accounts is shared. So please, stop making false accusations with unlegit. proof.

[Shotoo2]

Hardware ban him.

[Sulukra]

Originally Posted by Thallen

He claims he needs 3 days to analyze the log, though I doubt he'll commit 1 hour into it. Regardless, isn't there something called innocence until proven guilty?

Ok, a few things I have to say to this. Maloria usually has about, 50, 60 players on? How many players do you think want to have the logs checked, as do you, to show that they weren't scamming or something similar? I'd say atleast 10. So, maybe instead of spending his three days analyzing the log as he claims, perhaps hes getting around to analyzing the logs for the other people whom asked about that. And, according to the guy whom jailed you, you were guilty. Now, you're trying to be proven innocent. Theres a difference.

[excaliber7388]

Lets face it, a really good hacker could get by anything. Good thing none of them play graal. So the best thing to do would be to just ban him (since jailing is useless, even trainers could get a hacker past that).

[protagonist]

Maloria's staff roster has long needed a rectal exam, but nobody will do it. I'm sure there are good ones, but I've had experiences with some that would disqualify them from working at McDonalds.

[irule13]

Originally Posted by protagonist

Maloria's staff roster has long needed a rectal exam, but nobody will do it. I'm sure there are good ones, but I've had experiences with some that would disqualify them from working at McDonalds.

just because we flamed you for telling us that we shouldnt reset people for duping items does not mean we are incopitent
actually it means that you are

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by irule13

just because we flamed you for telling us that we shouldnt reset people for duping items does not mean we are incopitent
actually it means that you are

It means you are unprofessional, and, as I said, deserving of a rectal exam. Besides that, you can't even spell competent, so if we can't use your unprofessionalism as proof, maybe we can use your terrible spelling.

Your idiotic antics may work on your forums, but they won't work here. Get thee to a nunnery. The only way you cowards "won" is by mass flaming to the point where even trying to talk to your higher staff was useless, and you can't hold an argument when you don't have an ethical leg to stand on.

You make everyone on Maloria look bad, when there are some really nice people on there.

[coreys]

OMFG? Did it actually take you people that long to realize this crap? Tenex has been ignored on Maloria for a LONG time, he's done stuff with Nayfle when I was there, and jailed me for no reason outta nowhere (I had never met him before, never talked to him). And btw, malorias staff are ****ing *****s. Theres nothing to be scared about with Tenex. He tried to hack my friends computer, Norton Anti-Virus stopped him. Shows how good he is. Not only did it stop him though, it gave him a complete name of him. Got the computer owners name, adress, phone number, IP address, etc.

Now SUPPOSEDLY IP banning him hasnt worked because he can change his IP...which wouldnt surprise me, my friend did that on diablo and he's not really the most computer adept person in the world. The proublem here is, what I had been preaching about on maloria so long ago but got ignored because the staff would overload it with tons of lying crap with no intelligence in its structure, the staff are corrupt. Well, not all, staff like Laslow are nothing like others. The two staff that Calani removed from Maloria, which didnt work because maniaman (the worst manager ever, I have decided) just hired them back everytime, are the ones that were friends with Tenex and hired him.

Tenex could easily be stopped if somebody would actually do something about it, I've been thinking about talking to Malinko about it (The only PWA I think that has any sense anymore, dispite what everyone else says). Instead of using silly IP bans, that can easily be avoided by doing just what Tenex supposedly did. I dont know how else you could do this, but I know there could be some way. One is to contact his internest provider. Since Graal and Linux Cyberjouers are legitimate buisnesses, hacking its systems and toying with it are indeed illegal, therefor you can not only sue him for messing with your account, something you payed for, but graal has the right to demand that his internet service be terminated. Which I'm betting it would.

Originally Posted by Maniaman

Also, Market Supervisor isn' technically a staff position.

Then why the heck does he have RC, hmm? Cause he's a personal friend to the abusive Dev Admin of yours? Who, btw cant develop worth crap. He has other staff like Smirt make him his own personal NPCs like a automatic bow that shoots like a machine gun. Not to mention one hit kill punches.

The proublem, as I see it, in this thread, is no longer Tenex, sure its a biggie for all of graal, but the proublem is Maloria's staff. I said it last summer, which seems so long ago now, PWA need to completely wipe their staff. Make a new, more compitent management. Now, I know corruption is a proublem on all servers, even I have been known to fall prey to the powers of being a staff, getting a tool, and especially NPC Control, but no other server has corruption to even half this magnitude, Hiring, what I've seen as one of the most notorious, persistent, and ruthless hackers on graal now. giving him RC, letting him run wild and do what he wants. And thats only half of the horrible things they let other staff do. They called Calani corrupt, they said she was more corrupt than them, they made plenty of lies of course. And you know what happened? The best PWA other than maybe Spark went into ****ing isolation. I've heard from her once since she dissappeared. Causing her to lose her job that she deserved more than any of the others. Of course, this just caused great joy to the staff like Maniaman and Phantom (the dev admin). Me, Kara, Calani, and some others fought against this last summer, greatly. With no avail. All we got was a warning to them. They said they wouldn't act up anymore. Look what has happened since then. Nice work PWA, you've really done a bang up job.

But really, get off your lazy butts and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

EDIT (Some more rants about other things said in this thread):

Originally Posted by Clash

Welcome to Graal the Adventure.
Please enjoy your stay Thallen.

Im tired of this crap. Saying its just normal, and its a part of graal. Apparently you dont think much. People smoke weed and drink underrage all the time, does this make it right? Parents abuse their children all the time, does that make it right? Rape happens all the time, does that mkae it right? No, no, and **** no.

Originally Posted by D4rKv310c1ty

Instead of insulting hackers, you should praise them for their work.

Well, we cna obviously see what kind of person you are.

Originally Posted by Thallen

He doesn't even have RC on Maloria.

Yes, he does. Thats the proublem.

Originally Posted by irule13

you realize tenex has like 40 accounts right

And he can keep making trial accounts as much as he wants. All he has to do is make a new email for each one. But this would be fixed by banning him in some way more permanent than by IP, or having his internet service terminated.

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Plus, the job keeps him from reseting people.

Not at all, my friend was reset by him for no reason not to long ago.

Originally Posted by -Ching

Lol @ Thallen.

Sort yourself out before you start complaining about others, please.

'Sort him self out'? All he did was give plenty of evidence and plausable reason for Tenex to be banned. How does he need to sort himself out. He didn't give an argument based on hatred for Tenex, he didn't write his first post without thinking it out, look he didn't even mispell anything that I noticed. Unlike most. Even me, I mispell all the time.

Originally Posted by irule13

edit- i could be wrong but isnt there a rule against bashing playerworlds on the forums?

There is. But Thallen wasn't breaking that rule. He was bringing to the attention of everyone, the proublem happening on Maloria. I wasn't breaking that rule either. Maloria is a great server. Its staff are just pricks.

Originally Posted by FantasyX

Uh, what gave you the idea of the account "5starpimp" being one of Eclipse's accounts? You're a complete ***** who *****es and whines about everything because you don't get your way. What Eclipse did might have been wrong, but making false accusations with no proof proves how much of a complete ***** you truly are. Also, not a single on of Eclipse/Tenex's accounts is shared. So please, stop making false accusations with unlegit. proof.

Hmm, that post seemed more hypocritical than any other in this thread. Since you were complaining about him giving false accusations and whining. When thats exactly what you were doing right there.

Originally Posted by Shotoo2

Hardware ban him.

Who, Tenex? Uhm...riiight...just go to his house and bash in his computer then? Or rather his brains?

Originally Posted by Sulukra

And, according to the guy whom jailed you, you were guilty. Now, you're trying to be proven innocent. Theres a difference.

Yes, according to the guy who jailed him? You mean Tenex? The hacker, corrupt guy we've been talking about this whole time? Im sure we have plenty of reason to beleive HIM.

Originally Posted by protagonist

Maloria's staff roster has long needed a rectal exam

Thank you, I beleive we see eye to eye there.

[irule13]

Originally Posted by protagonist

It means you are unprofessional, and, as I said, deserving of a rectal exam. Besides that, you can't even spell competent, so if we can't use your unprofessionalism as proof, maybe we can use your terrible spelling.

Your idiotic antics may work on your forums, but they won't work here. Get thee to a nunnery. The only way you cowards "won" is by mass flaming to the point where even trying to talk to your higher staff was useless, and you can't hold an argument when you don't have an ethical leg to stand on.

You make everyone on Maloria look bad, when there are some really nice people on there.

im usually pretty nice
but when someone starts saying that im not doing my job right i get a little edgy

[irule13]

Originally Posted by coreys

OMFG? Did it actually take you people that long to realize this crap? Tenex has been ignored on Maloria for a LONG time, he's done stuff with Nayfle when I was there, and jailed me for no reason outta nowhere (I had never met him before, never talked to him). And btw, malorias staff are ****ing *****s. Theres nothing to be scared about with Tenex. He tried to hack my friends computer, Norton Anti-Virus stopped him. Shows how good he is. Not only did it stop him though, it gave him a complete name of him. Got the computer owners name, adress, phone number, IP address, etc.

Now SUPPOSEDLY IP banning him hasnt worked because he can change his IP...which wouldnt surprise me, my friend did that on diablo and he's not really the most computer adept person in the world. The proublem here is, what I had been preaching about on maloria so long ago but got ignored because the staff would overload it with tons of lying crap with no intelligence in its structure, the staff are corrupt. Well, not all, staff like Laslow are nothing like others. The two staff that Calani removed from Maloria, which didnt work because maniaman (the worst manager ever, I have decided) just hired them back everytime, are the ones that were friends with Tenex and hired him.

Tenex could easily be stopped if somebody would actually do something about it, I've been thinking about talking to Malinko about it (The only PWA I think that has any sense anymore, dispite what everyone else says). Instead of using silly IP bans, that can easily be avoided by doing just what Tenex supposedly did. I dont know how else you could do this, but I know there could be some way. One is to contact his internest provider. Since Graal and Linux Cyberjouers are legitimate buisnesses, hacking its systems and toying with it are indeed illegal, therefor you can not only sue him for messing with your account, something you payed for, but graal has the right to demand that his internet service be terminated. Which I'm betting it would.

Then why the heck does he have RC, hmm? Cause he's a personal friend to the abusive Dev Admin of yours? Who, btw cant develop worth crap. He has other staff like Smirt make him his own personal NPCs like a automatic bow that shoots like a machine gun. Not to mention one hit kill punches.

The proublem, as I see it, in this thread, is no longer Tenex, sure its a biggie for all of graal, but the proublem is Maloria's staff. I said it last summer, which seems so long ago now, PWA need to completely wipe their staff. Make a new, more compitent management. Now, I know corruption is a proublem on all servers, even I have been known to fall prey to the powers of being a staff, getting a tool, and especially NPC Control, but no other server has corruption to even half this magnitude, Hiring, what I've seen as one of the most notorious, persistent, and ruthless hackers on graal now. giving him RC, letting him run wild and do what he wants. And thats only half of the horrible things they let other staff do. They called Calani corrupt, they said she was more corrupt than them, they made plenty of lies of course. And you know what happened? The best PWA other than maybe Spark went into ****ing isolation. I've heard from her once since she dissappeared. Causing her to lose her job that she deserved more than any of the others. Of course, this just caused great joy to the staff like Maniaman and Phantom (the dev admin). Me, Kara, Calani, and some others fought against this last summer, greatly. With no avail. All we got was a warning to them. They said they wouldn't act up anymore. Look what has happened since then. Nice work PWA, you've really done a bang up job.

But really, get off your lazy butts and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

sorry for double post just noticed this
let me make this clear
tenex does NOT have rc
calani tried to get staff wiped for no real reason that i know of
you say he isnt a threat yet claim we have to stop him either he is a threat andmust be stopped or he isnt one and we should ignore him pick one

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by coreys

Nice work PWA, you've really done a bang up job.

But really, get off your lazy butts and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

When I was PWA, I tried to get Maloria to get their act together but they didn't. They just do not listen.

[coreys]

Originally Posted by irule13

sorry for double post just noticed this
let me make this clear
tenex does NOT have rc
calani tried to get staff wiped for no real reason that i know of
you say he isnt a threat yet claim we have to stop him either he is a threat andmust be stopped or he isnt one and we should ignore him pick one

1.I've seen Tenex on RC before.
2.there was a reason. But calani didnt want malorias staff wiped, I did, she just wanted phantom and maniaman gone
3.No, I just said theres no reason to be afraid of him if someone would just do something about him.

Originally Posted by protagonist

When I was PWA, I tried to get Maloria to get their act together but they didn't. They just do not listen.

Which is exactly what another PWA did last summer. They have no respect for authority.

EDIT:
btw, maniaman

Originally Posted by Spark910

Rules for ALL servers[...]Managers Role:
-All managers are responsible to keep these rules enforced (You should show all of your staff)
-All managers have to enforce and comply with the Graalonline user agreement (e.g. ban anyone who is offensive or abuse over mass messages)
-Govern staff
-Managers are responsible for any and all content on their server and may wish to monitor and limit uploading to public folders.

Guess you aren't fufiling the role of manager, are you?

[irule13]

tenex does NOT have rc right now
if he did before i dont know but if we are talking about now he does not have it

[DarkPhantom316]

Originally Posted by protagonist

When I was PWA, I tried to get Maloria to get their act together but they didn't. They just do not listen.

oword.
Like the time you tried to get me fired for telling
your online wifey kyomi to **** because she was
annoying as hell

[Thallen]

I've been told that PWA are looking into this, but as usual, they'll dig around it. On the #gscript IRC chat, Maniaman basically told me to leave him alone and let his staff do what they do, which, in the Zokemon guy's case, happened to be everything Maniaman said not to do basically. By the way, Becan and Tonka are also being treated like dirt in jail. Apparently, Becan was hacking when he wasn't even online, and was jailed for it. My guess is maybe he PKed one of Tenex's friends. Anyway, after being harassed, laughed at, and turned into a little gani dragon, Eclipse/Tenex seemed to calm down and try to be friendly with me, and mentioned me deleting this post. No thanks.
Anyway, I want something done about this. I'm not a pushover, I won't let it slide like any other person.

[Elk]

destroy all staffs of maloria and buy new one at walmart

[DarkCloud_PK]

Looks like Tenex has grown to be quite the character ever since I got him on this game years ago.

[Shotoo2]

Originally Posted by coreys

Who, Tenex? Uhm...riiight...just go to his house and bash in his computer then? Or rather his brains?

You ban his computer's permanent ID number so he can never log onto the server again from that computer.

As for IP bans; those are easy to bypass.

[Darlene159]

Closed
Due to a forum PM from Malinko stating:

Originally Posted by From Malinko via Forum PM

The Playerworld Administration has requested to close this thread. If further discussion of this issue would like to be continued, whether in the form of a complaint or defense of the complaints within this thread, please create a ticket at the GraalOnline Support Center with whatever is wished to be said.

Thanks.

and:

Originally Posted by Forum Rules

f.) Do not make threads to bash a playerworld. If you have a problem you wish to report please contact a member of the Playerworld Administration. If you have a problem that can be sorted out locally (jails, scams, some bans etc... please contact a staff member on the playerworld first)

Paying close attention to the bolded part