The purpose of the NPC Scripting Forum

[Yen]

Wow. -Knocks on the wall o' words.-

It's one thing when people are asking for short, easy, 12-line scripts.
It's another when they're asking for scripts that require 200+ lines of code.

In most cases, it seems to be the latter.

[Prozac]

I hear ya ...

Graal has three main places where npcs and community intersect:

graal.net - code snippet library - you can post and download scripts.
new rc - gs2 chat channel - you can post and download scripts.
npc scripting forums - against the rules to post scripts

Remember that song from Sesame Street?
"one of these things is not like the others, one of these things just dosen't belong"

I am all for the idea of a npc subforum for script requests and npc help.
And a more clear and precise definition of where the line is drawn between helping someone with npc code is allowed in small bits, or helping them too much will get your post deleted.
If such a definition of how much help is too much cannot be determined then throw out the old rule since it is only obstructive to helping the customers of Graal, leading to poor customer service and a bad business practice.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Prozac

I hear ya ...

Did you read this paragraph?

Originally Posted by ben

This is because most of these [requesting] guys do not actually care about the scripting. They enter these forums with a `u giev' attitude and leave it with a `u sukc' mood because, obviously, you cannot create your own playerworlds with this method. Yeah, sure, the socially-minded people from the first groups might eventually give in and just post the script and the original poster might somehow manage to not break it while pasting it to his 1.39 gserver and someone will eventually have fun playing with it until the newly hired NAT person breaks it when they try to fix the formatting, but after all, no one learned anything from the whole experience and it just leads to a bunch of frustration for everybody, except perhaps the arrogant and mean people from the first groups who did not even bother reading the thread, and the other guys' playerworld did not really profit from it either.

Your comment would indicate that either you did not or that you just skimmed it.

Graal has three main places where npcs and community intersect:

graal.net - code snippet library - you can post and download scripts.
new rc - gs2 chat channel - you can post and download scripts.
npc scripting forums - against the rules to post scripts

It isn't against the rules to post scripts period (it's even in the forum's description) and people do this pretty frequently. It is against the rules to post full scripts as solutions to people's problems instead of explaining to them what they're doing wrong. Did you actually bother reading the rules, or did you just skim those too?

Remember that song from Sesame Street?
"one of these things is not like the others, one of these things just dosen't belong"

Mostly because it's a poor appraisal of reality?

I am all for the idea of a npc subforum for script requests and npc help.

Ben said it best on #gscript:

Originally Posted by ben

[13:29:11] ben: So did Prozac actually just misunderstand my post and agree with my intentions anyway?

Originally Posted by Prozac

And a more clear and precise definition of where the line is drawn between helping someone with npc code is allowed in small bits, or helping them too much will get your post deleted.
If such a definition of how much help is too much cannot be determined then throw out the old rule since it is only obstructive to helping the customers of Graal, leading to poor customer service and a bad business practice.

So, wait. Rules that by their nature depend on the context and as such cannot be so clearly defined as you'd like are obstructive and should be thrown out? Care to justify that claim? Should it be applied to the rest of the forum rules, like those about spam? (As a side note, did you miss that whole discussion?) Or, how about Graal's own license agreement, which talks about acceptable standards being defined by GraalOnline administrators? Should those go, too? If so, why?

The only "obstructive" thing is that "gimme" attitude that precludes learning.

[Prozac]

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wow. you take me way too seriously.

I'm just going to go either work on my playerworld, or make a gs2 tutorial based on practical examples - sort of like the wiki, but more conductive to learning from a graal newcomer's standpoint.

no sense hanging around an area of the forums where i do not appear to be well liked. sorry for posting something that the mod decided to spend time demolishing any logic behind it to bits, ie. flaming me.

i gotta learn to stop giving you fodder.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Prozac

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wow. you take me way too seriously.

Did you honestly expect otherwise, especially after suggesting that the rules are "obstructive to helping the customers of Graal, leading to poor customer service and a bad business practice"?

I'm just going to go either work on my playerworld, or make a gs2 tutorial based on practical examples - sort of like the wiki, but more conductive to learning from a graal newcomer's standpoint.

So, you have no answer to my questions, then?

no sense hanging around an area of the forums where i do not appear to be well liked. sorry for posting something that the mod decided to spend time demolishing any logic behind it to bits, ie. flaming me.

Where were you "flamed"?

i gotta learn to stop giving you fodder.

Or, you could make coherent points that you could back up when asked to?

[Dach]

Originally Posted by Yen

It's one thing when people are asking for short, easy, 12-line scripts.

I don't know about you, but I'm not going to make scripts for people that don't even want to try to learn anything. That is just a waste of my time.