My final attempt

[syltburk]

for 2 dollars in sweden u can get, a cop off cofee with an hamburger or ciggaretes or snuff or candy or the newspaper or milk or 2 small pizzas that you can get done in 2 minutes

so yeah, u can get alot for 2 dollars, thats y im upset = /

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by iownu

Well, firstly I'd like to thank you for being mature enough to be the one to attempt to start the flame war.

I am by no means attempting to start a flame war. I am simply stating facts that are (as I thought) common sense.

Originally Posted by iownu

Yeah, sorry, I forgot that the world is not round. Here I was thinking that day and night occur at different times all around the world, and that it's possible that people outside my country would also enjoy playing this game. Sorry, my bad.

Well, according to our good friend 'Inspiration':

Originally Posted by Inspiration

No one is on.

(You really should consider reading the sources I'm citing before responding.)

Originally Posted by iownu

There is a large difference between helping a novice staff member out a bit, and teaching them the entire area of the field you need.

Perhaps you didn't read my entire point. I was not referring to the people who are looking for a mentor to teach them everything. I remember specifically saying that there are a lot of people who don't need to be told exactly how to do everything, that are looking for a job. You obviously just don't know where to look, and that is the fault of no one but yourself.

Originally Posted by iownu

Yeah, me being dumb again, sorry. I forgot that the customer is always wrong, and that we're just peons who should mind our own business. After all, with me hiding behind my "player-facade" the whole time, I totally let it slip my mind that this game is totally about the success and enjoyment of the staff members, not unimportant people such as players, like myself.

No where did I say players were unimportant. I was just stating that you are just that, a player, not a general manager, not a business consultant, just a player and quite frankly, it is none of your business how Graal is managed. Stick to playing, my friend.

Originally Posted by iownu

Strange that 90% of the other players seem to agree with me, though. Guess we're just all too stupid to have opinions, huh?

90% of the people agree with you? Perhaps. But 0% of the people who actually matter, agree with you. (Stefan and Unixmad)

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by ApothiX

I am by no means attempting to start a flame war. I am simply stating facts that are (as I thought) common sense.

Then please depense with the attitude, as it is not at all needed.

Originally Posted by ApothiX

You obviously just don't know where to look, and that is the fault of no one but yourself.

Nor do the clusters of other managers and admins who are always short on development staff, I guess.

I've managed a top player world. I know how hard it is to find good, reliable staff in all fields. Can you say the same?

Originally Posted by ApothiX

No where did I say players were unimportant....

Originally Posted by ApothiX

I was just stating that you are just that, a player, not a general manager, not a business consultant, just a player and quite frankly, it is none of your business how Graal is managed.

Read this over a few times.
I am a paying player. Yet it is none of my business how the product I payed for is ran? What?

You're right, I'm not a general manager, not a business consultant, but I think I am a lot closer to having a grasp on how to be one than you seem to.

What you're saying is that the opinion of the masses should not be heard or taken into consideration, simply because we are not part of the staff?

Nothing is more important than our opinions. It is 100% our business how this game is managed and ran. We're paying for it. We're the reason the game can still exist as it does.

Originally Posted by ApothiX

90% of the people agree with you? Perhaps. But 0% of the people who actually matter, agree with you. (Stefan and Unixmad)

I'm glad to know that as a paying customer I do not matter at all, nor do all the other paying customers who agree with me.
But hey, since you're not Stefan or Unixmad, I guess I can just totally ignore what you say, because you're just another peon who is not allowed to voice their opinion on anything just like me, right? Right!

[Googi]

Due to server costs, etc. it probably wouldn't be good idea to go back to the old account system, but advertising Graal in some way would probably be a good idea.

[haunter]

Originally Posted by Googi

Due to server costs, etc. it probably wouldn't be good idea to go back to the old account system, but advertising Graal in some way would probably be a good idea.

I agree that the current account system should stay realitively the same... I think it's the playerworld system that needs some major revamping.

[HoudiniMan]

I like the idea of the new trial system with two weeks free like other MMORPGs do, then you're expected to upgrade to at least classic (one time fee, all this "they'll quit" is way off base) to keep playing. I think an important part would be not to have any level of play after the trial so people can't satisfy that one burning question they have about a quest or a person and have to upgrade to get satisfaction. Then they might as well play.

As for the whole "I pay you so you have to listen to me" argument, that's really quite flawed. When you buy a burger at McDonald's do you get to go in and tell them where they should mop the floor? No way. You're paying for the product, not management rights.

If you are upgrading, upgrade for Graal's product: the game play. If you are upgrading because you think it entitles you to run the game then by all means stop upgrading. Graal isn't a public company, so you're a customer, not a shareholder.

[Curt1zzle]

I think it should be taken into note that everyone replying in tihs thread are already subscribers of Graal and their oppinions are genuine and sincere. By bringing up these topics they're hoping to better the community, since they personally don't benefit from it.

They aren't trying to gain a profit and shouldn't be treated like so...everyone posting here has already paid and legitimately wants to help Graal.

[Sonniku4]

Idea:
Era 3D. Perfect.
Popularity will explode.

[Curt1zzle]

For guests:

Account key. Simple.

[PrinceDark]

... Just my little 2 cents

dea:
Era 3D. Perfect.
Popularity will explode.

Oh please, that pw name has infested the playerworlds section. Please don't bring it here.

// Gerami
Except every non-graal run playerworld is crappy. Prove me wrong please?

I disagree homes. Maloria, outside of the lag, is an extremely good playerworld, maybe even better than GK and Zone, but that of course is my opinion. Others will not share the same opinion as me.

How does someone prove one playerworld to be better than another?



To Unixmad

Can you please consider what has been discussed in Mykel's thread about the referral system, and other ideas on better payment plans? Some you may not like, but maybe some you will.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=62086

[WanDaMan]

Originally Posted by syltburk

for 2 dollars in sweden u can get, a cop off cofee with an hamburger or ciggaretes or snuff or candy or the newspaper or milk or 2 small pizzas that you can get done in 2 minutes

so yeah, u can get alot for 2 dollars, thats y im upset = /

Why the hell would anyone want a snuff movie?

[xAndrewx]

Originally Posted by unixmad

Long post on page 3

Ignore the idiots. Graal's subscription is fine.
Get a job, beg your mother. Hell, it's 2$ a month. I'm sure your parents earn more then 10$ an hour.

[Clash]

Snakeandy, go away - noone likes you.

And to haunter, I tried getting Spark to listen to me once but he's obviously convinced that I'm mentally retarded or something weird. Or maybe he's just that better then me. :

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Ignore the idiots. Graal's subscription is fine.
Get a job, beg your mother. Hell, it's 2$ a month. I'm sure your parents earn more then 10$ an hour.

Sure, when you say two dollars a month, it sounds ohso cheap and affordable. In reality, its quite expensive. I believe it was sixty dollars when I last upgraded. For a kid, that is a lot of money to come up with. When I was fourteen and upgraded for the first time, I didn't/couldn't get the money so easily. It was only due to saving every penny I had (I didn't recieve allowance, I didn't have the rich family) for a month. With the new guest accounts, you're done in two weeks, and I doubt anyone would save their money for a month afterwards. They'd sooner forget about the game and spend the money elsewhere.

(As mentioned earlier) Most parents are unwilling to purchase anything online, as they are unfamiliar with the technology. Not to mention that you hear of credit card fraud almost weekly on the news relating to internet scams. Parents are already wary (and for good reason), and aren't willing to shell out all that money.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

As for the whole "I pay you so you have to listen to me" argument, that's really quite flawed. When you buy a burger at McDonald's do you get to go in and tell them where they should mop the floor? No way. You're paying for the product, not management rights.

We may not pay for management rights, but ideally, the management should take what the customer says into consideration. Afterall, they make or break the company.

[edit]Apparently Snake thinks every family is able to afford giving out an allowance. We don't all come from the middle/upper class families like you.[/edit]

[xAndrewx]

Originally Posted by Clash

Snakeandy, go away - noone likes you.

And to haunter, I tried getting Spark to listen to me once but he's obviously convinced that I'm mentally retarded or something weird. Or maybe he's just that better then me. :

Question: who the **** are you? I don't really give a **** who you are.

Originally Posted by mr.max

Sure, when you say two dollars a month, it sounds ohso cheap and affordable. In reality, its quite expensive. I believe it was sixty dollars when I last upgraded. For a kid, that is a lot of money to come up with. When I was fourteen and upgraded for the first time, I didn't/couldn't get the money so easily. It was only due to saving every penny I had (I didn't recieve allowance, I didn't have the rich family) for a month. With the new guest accounts, you're done in two weeks, and I doubt anyone would save their money for a month afterwards. They'd sooner forget about the game and spend the money elsewhere.

What? you can't afford it? Hell, your parents can't be that mean. Hell, 2$ a month, that's £1 a month in England. Hell, I get £4 a day from my parents. That's just for getting an education.
Retards.