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Old 11-23-2005, 05:19 PM
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Well, firstly I'd like to thank you for being mature enough to be the one to attempt to start the flame war.

However, instead of wasting my time like you saying "LOL UR STUPID U IDIOT MAN UR DUMBANDWRONG", I'm just going to address your points, as to keep my thread on the topic of HELPING THIS GAME, not being internet warriors.



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Good job noticing that the players are only human, and need sleep. How about you consider it this way: If there's no one on, then no one cares if anyone else is on.
Yeah, sorry, I forgot that the world is not round. Here I was thinking that day and night occur at different times all around the world, and that it's possible that people outside my country would also enjoy playing this game. Sorry, my bad.

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Speak for yourself. Just because experienced people don't want to work for a new playerworld, for many reasons (one being most new playerworlds are managed by incompetant people who only want the playeworld for power) doesn't mean there are none out there. If you want staff for a new server, there are plenty of people who are just getting started with scripting, graphics design, level making, etc, that would love the chance to work on an actual server. If you're too incompetant to help novice staff members out a little bit, then my former point is valid.
Who said I was speaking purely of new playerworlds? Yes, there are staff out there. Yes, most of them already have projects.

There is a large difference between helping a novice staff member out a bit, and teaching them the entire area of the field you need.

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Exactly why you don't have the credentials or experience to be giving such suggestions. You think you know a lot about how graal works, but in reality you have just been hiding being the player-facade, only taking in what you want to.
Yeah, me being dumb again, sorry. I forgot that the customer is always wrong, and that we're just peons who should mind our own business. After all, with me hiding behind my "player-facade" the whole time, I totally let it slip my mind that this game is totally about the success and enjoyment of the staff members, not unimportant people such as players, like myself.

Strange that 90% of the other players seem to agree with me, though. Guess we're just all too stupid to have opinions, huh?
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Old 11-23-2005, 10:59 PM
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Well, firstly I'd like to thank you for being mature enough to be the one to attempt to start the flame war.
I am by no means attempting to start a flame war. I am simply stating facts that are (as I thought) common sense.


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Yeah, sorry, I forgot that the world is not round. Here I was thinking that day and night occur at different times all around the world, and that it's possible that people outside my country would also enjoy playing this game. Sorry, my bad.
Well, according to our good friend 'Inspiration':
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No one is on.
(You really should consider reading the sources I'm citing before responding.)


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There is a large difference between helping a novice staff member out a bit, and teaching them the entire area of the field you need.
Perhaps you didn't read my entire point. I was not referring to the people who are looking for a mentor to teach them everything. I remember specifically saying that there are a lot of people who don't need to be told exactly how to do everything, that are looking for a job. You obviously just don't know where to look, and that is the fault of no one but yourself.


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Yeah, me being dumb again, sorry. I forgot that the customer is always wrong, and that we're just peons who should mind our own business. After all, with me hiding behind my "player-facade" the whole time, I totally let it slip my mind that this game is totally about the success and enjoyment of the staff members, not unimportant people such as players, like myself.
No where did I say players were unimportant. I was just stating that you are just that, a player, not a general manager, not a business consultant, just a player and quite frankly, it is none of your business how Graal is managed. Stick to playing, my friend.


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Strange that 90% of the other players seem to agree with me, though. Guess we're just all too stupid to have opinions, huh?
90% of the people agree with you? Perhaps. But 0% of the people who actually matter, agree with you. (Stefan and Unixmad)
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Old 11-24-2005, 03:44 AM
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I am by no means attempting to start a flame war. I am simply stating facts that are (as I thought) common sense.
Then please depense with the attitude, as it is not at all needed.




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You obviously just don't know where to look, and that is the fault of no one but yourself.
Nor do the clusters of other managers and admins who are always short on development staff, I guess.

I've managed a top player world. I know how hard it is to find good, reliable staff in all fields. Can you say the same?

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No where did I say players were unimportant....

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I was just stating that you are just that, a player, not a general manager, not a business consultant, just a player and quite frankly, it is none of your business how Graal is managed.
Read this over a few times.
I am a paying player. Yet it is none of my business how the product I payed for is ran? What?

You're right, I'm not a general manager, not a business consultant, but I think I am a lot closer to having a grasp on how to be one than you seem to.

What you're saying is that the opinion of the masses should not be heard or taken into consideration, simply because we are not part of the staff?

Nothing is more important than our opinions. It is 100% our business how this game is managed and ran. We're paying for it. We're the reason the game can still exist as it does.




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90% of the people agree with you? Perhaps. But 0% of the people who actually matter, agree with you. (Stefan and Unixmad)
I'm glad to know that as a paying customer I do not matter at all, nor do all the other paying customers who agree with me.
But hey, since you're not Stefan or Unixmad, I guess I can just totally ignore what you say, because you're just another peon who is not allowed to voice their opinion on anything just like me, right? Right!
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