The New GP?

air_archmage · #1 11-15-2005, 04:17 AM

Zero hour has Quit.. GK Needs a new GP..
PERFERABLY one that accualy cares abotu players and wont go Ban Happy.

I see the followign as good GP Choices:

Ras
Steven
Raziel
Vlad(if soemone can contact him)
And Myself.

So let one fo them become a GP. ZH wasnt exactly the 'friendliest' thing to happen to GK

OasaTor_PK · #2 11-15-2005, 04:24 AM

I vote me, Oasa for GP!

air_archmage · #3 11-15-2005, 04:28 AM

I would, but your still banned.
WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST THING IW OULD DO AS GP XD Unban the unfairly banned.

Googi · #4 11-15-2005, 04:31 AM

You weren't around in the Karakaze days, so you wouldn't know this, but scammers make bad GPs.

air_archmage · #5 11-15-2005, 04:38 AM

One question: Sence WHEN was I a Scammer O.o
Half the time I rip myself for people.. I sold a HSoD +12 for 1/3rd fo the price. e.e
Dunno where ya get that I'ma scammer but oh well.

Googi · #6 11-15-2005, 04:41 AM

I'm not talking about you. I don't even know who you are.

air_archmage · #7 11-15-2005, 04:42 AM

Ohh.. lol

OasaTor_PK · #8 11-15-2005, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

You weren't around in the Karakaze days, so you wouldn't know this, but scammers make bad GPs.

Scammers make the best gps, like fo real. I could unban myself, take all your ****, then quit 2ezsonlololol

air_archmage · #9 11-15-2005, 04:59 AM

So this still doesnt say who will be the new GP!

Damix2 · #10 11-15-2005, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by air_archmage

So this still doesnt say who will be the new GP!

Nor is it for this thread to choose!

air_archmage · #11 11-15-2005, 05:50 AM

Yeah.. but its for those who with peopel they think may seem fit for it.. The people of Graal need a GP taht wont be corrupt and will accualy CARE about the players. Heck, ZH said that He didnt care about anyone online! SO I think its the players right to chose soembody that is fit for the job. We cant always rely on staff to do everything... Sometimes the Players need to do soemthign about it. We dont want another ZH

Damix2 · #12 11-15-2005, 06:23 AM

Stephen was a very good Graal Policeman.

air_archmage · #13 11-15-2005, 06:26 AM

He literally said he didnt care about the players.. He also banned those for no reason.
What was his reason for banning Grimm? or Oasa? in fact.. why didnt he do much about the scam reports? and your the one who cant take a joke so you say I'll never be a GP on Gk ever e.e IT WAS A JOKE. Haha, har har

Damix2 · #14 11-15-2005, 06:33 AM

Read the forum rules, not the first time you broke the rules tonight

air_archmage · #15 11-15-2005, 06:38 AM

Which rules may I ask?
I dotn seem to recall anything against a QUESTIONING Thread, showing the public HOW the staff members gets the jerks they do to run GP, and If I remember right, we BOTH broke a rule technicaly because your cursed at me, I returned the favor.

StrykerTFFD · #16 11-15-2005, 06:40 AM

Ya know, air, considering I don't know you, and trust me, I don't want to know you, why would I want you to be a GP? Instead of posting...and posting...attacks on passed GPs(I happened to like Zero Hour.), and breaking the rules of double(quadruple posting) and posting PM history logs, convince me you should be "GP".

air_archmage · #17 11-15-2005, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

Nice quadruple post....very nice...

I am terribly sorry.. I realized I broke that rule now (even though its a kind dull one)
But I had a point to be made so I made it.

Damix2 · #18 11-15-2005, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by air_archmage

I am terribly sorry.. I realized I broke that rule now (even though its a kind dull one)
But I had a point to be made so I made it.

Its not the greatest rule but it happens

air_archmage · #19 11-15-2005, 06:44 AM

Well you knwo what, fine. This also shows why most staff are stuck up snobs.. They follow the same road that is rough and bumpy. ZH has banned many with no cause. Sure, Vlad was a Awsome GP, but he isnt around anymore. If any of the staff that was ment to "help" players would get off their butts and accualy HELP the players, maybe more people would stay on Graal. Scaming beign Legal is the worse Idea ever. The only staff doing work on the hackers are the high staff, whihc isnt that the GPs job?

Damix2 · #20 11-15-2005, 06:46 AM

Scamming is not legal...

air_archmage · #21 11-15-2005, 06:49 AM

I've accualy gone though and warned people abotu hackers beign about, Just today: Dark Nations was Hacked and so was Darkinlight. So I massed tips on how to help prevent Hackers getting your account.

I also Mass so people would knwo who a scammer is... It seems that Me and Ras are the onyl epople who will willingly Mass out abou thtose things so the players dotn have to rely on the Police who would say "Tough." You see.. the Police are sopost to HELP the people.. not dictator and say "tough" abotu almost everything.. if someone gets scammed, try to help! Someone gets hacked: Reset them to the point befor they were hacked, it they lied, undo the resetting.

The Police should help those who need help. Not sit around and do nothing.

air_archmage · #22 11-15-2005, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Damix2

Scamming is not legal...

Now theres where I am right.

Both Zero Hour and Bjorn said it WAS legal.

(and sorry for double post)

Googi · #23 11-15-2005, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Damix2

Scamming is not legal...

Yeah, but nobody does anything about scammers.

StrykerTFFD · #24 11-15-2005, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by air_archmage

Well you knwo what, fine. This also shows why most staff are stuck up snobs.. They follow the same road that is rough and bumpy. ZH has banned many with no cause. Sure, Vlad was a Awsome GP, but he isnt around anymore. If any of the staff that was ment to "help" players would get off their butts and accualy HELP the players, maybe more people would stay on Graal. Scaming beign Legal is the worse Idea ever. The only staff doing work on the hackers are the high staff, whihc isnt that the GPs job?

I dislike the fact you refering to "most" staff as stuck up snobs as you don't know me,nor do you know most staff. I'm sure your knowledge of staff is limited to that of Kingdoms, where "most" staff are actually behind the scenes working.

All I did was challenge your idea of why you should be a GP. I've been GP on Classic for close to 6 years, so I have a pretty damn good idea what it takes. Instead of answering my call, you attack Zero Hour again. You clearly wouldn't make a good GP nor should you be criticizing anything they do. You have no idea how much of a pain being a GP can be sometimes.

And yeah, scamming isn't legal. Get with the times.

Edit: Clearly scamming can't be legal as people have been punished for it.

Damix2 · #25 11-15-2005, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by air_archmage

Now theres where I am right.

Both Zero Hour and Bjorn said it WAS legal.

(and sorry for double post)

Sam masses out almost everyday about it.

Lance · #26 11-15-2005, 06:54 AM

One GP quitting does not necessarily mean that a new one will be hired. Also, this isn't a democracy.

air_archmage · #27 11-15-2005, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

Yeah, but nobody does anything about scammers.

Exactly my point.

And I was refering the the staff that are sopost to do stuff for the players.

You have no idea how hard it is to be a player it seems as well. We get scammed and we get told Tough. We get hacked, we WAIT for abotu a month only to get told Sorry, not enough evidence (not all the time). We pay OUR cash to get scammed, hacked and we at lease expect a little help, but we get told Tough.

Its hard beign staff?
I've been in both worlds, Staff for other servers and player for this and others... Its way harder being the player who get shoved off by the 'overworked' or 'behind the sceans' staff.. I will stop less I get banned for proving thats the way graal mostly works.

Butz · #28 11-15-2005, 06:57 AM

Also, if ZH didn't care about the players, that probably made him a better GP. You can't be an effective man of the law if you're making friends with everyone and letting things slide.

air_archmage · #29 11-15-2005, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance

One GP quitting does not necessarily mean that a new one will be hired. Also, this isn't a democracy.

Lance, I'm just speaking from the players point of view.
This is how us players see the staff. The Staff thats soppost to help us but we get denied.. Now Lance, I knwo your not one of the staff who would just say Tough to someone, I know you've helped people who've been scammed.. Including me.. This is just the players view on staff Like Bjorn and ZH. All it is.

air_archmage · #30 11-15-2005, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Butz

Also, if ZH didn't care about the players, that probably made him a better GP. You can't be an effective man of the law if you're making friends with everyone and letting things slide.

but thats the thing.. He let people slide anyways. I'm nto saying the GP has to be buddy buddy with everyone, but I'm sayign he doesnt have to be a closet case.

StrykerTFFD · #31 11-15-2005, 07:02 AM

And you're wrong.

I play Kingdoms daily, I know what goes on. I've been around since the beginning of Kingdoms, never been scammed, never had issues...except that one time my Ring of Strife was pwned by the server and Lance helped me. Oh gosh a staffer on Kingdoms helped somebody!~?

Crying about scamming means you got tricked into handing somebody your items. Unless they abused a table bug, it's 9 times out of 10 your fault.

Getting hacked? Again, 9 times out of 10 you downloaded a keylogger, your fault. The exceptions are of course acts like the recent event with Velox's very beautiful abuse of human stupidity....I mean lucky guesses...

. Hell I've been hacked once, and I wasn't really hacked, somebody recreated my hotmail account during the time where hotmail deleted your account if you didn't visit it after so long, and requested a password change.

air_archmage · #32 11-15-2005, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

And you're wrong.

I play Kingdoms daily, I know what goes on. I've been around since the beginning of Kingdoms, never been scammed, never had issues...except that one time my Ring of Strife was pwned by the server and Lance helped me. Oh gosh a staffer on Kingdoms helped somebody!~?

Crying about scamming means you got tricked into handing somebody your items. Unless they abused a table bug, it's 9 times out of 10 your fault.

Getting hacked? Again, 9 times out of 10 you downloaded a keylogger, your fault. The exceptions are of course acts like the recent event with Velox's very beautiful abuse of human stupidity....I mean lucky guesses...

. Hell I've been hacked once, and I wasn't really hacked, somebody recreated my hotmail account during the time where hotmail deleted your account if you didn't visit it after so long, and requested a password change.

A: I didnt say ALL staff said To bad, so sad.
B: Who hasnt been scammed someway even when they were a n00b. and now days theres most likely always one scammer on.
C: Those scammers get away with most the stuff they do.
D: Theres also the fact that a Virus can start opeing stuff up makign it easier to hack in

StrykerTFFD · #33 11-15-2005, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by air_archmage

A: I didnt say ALL staff said To bad, so sad.

You said most. So far, you've stated Zero Hour and Bjorn saying this. They are not most staff. Phail'd.

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B: Who hasnt been scammed someway even when they were a n00b. and now days theres most likely always one scammer on.

I've never been scammed, and I come from the era of the best scammers known. Phail'd.

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C: Those scammers get away with most the stuff they do.

They get away with it for the reason I stated. 9 Times out of 10 it's the scammed person's fault. Phail'd.

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D: Theres also the fact that a Virus can start opeing stuff up makign it easier to hack in

How does one get a virus? By not having virus protection? Open a file with a virus? All actions, your fault. Phail'd.

Please insert quarter, continue? Yes? No?

xRuffRydax · #34 11-15-2005, 07:11 AM

Perhaps we should lock this before it gets any worse? We've all made our points and theres no reason to go any further.

StrykerTFFD · #35 11-15-2005, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by xRuffRydax

Perhaps we should lock this before it gets any worse? We've all made our points and theres no reason to go any further.

Yeah, I agree. Topic shouldn't exist in the first place. I'm only here really to defend "most" staff.

air_archmage · #36 11-15-2005, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by xRuffRydax

Perhaps we should lock this before it gets any worse? We've all made our points and theres no reason to go any further.

Well.. Steven has a point.

All I have to say is...
It may have been their fault (and I am a heavy music downlaoder.. nto technically my fault I get viruses people attach to Songs)
but they should at lease get their item/items back.

Reasons for most people quitting Graal:
1. Sick of scammers
2. Sick of some of the staff beign Currupt
3. Got bored
4. Sick fo the way things work on the server.. which.. in turn.. points at the staff.

Damix2 · #37 11-15-2005, 07:39 AM

I haven't noticed a decline in playercount lately, actually the oppisite.

Tipps · #38 11-15-2005, 07:54 AM

Well, I disagree with ZH being a good police simply because he does not care..
All the oldbies will disagree cause they dont really get scammed, they have been around too long to fall for tricks.
I see tons of new players becomming victims of scammers and when they ask for help..they usually get a smack in the face in return. A good GP would be someone who cares about all graal players, not just the rich ones and friends z.z

And not caring does not make a better GP, if someone cannot be nice and follow the rules they have no will..thats another thing the GP needs..

And yeah, I have seen many people leave Graal due to the Staff, But the #1 reason I would say is cause its one of the least newbie friendly games I have ever seen. Most people who start get frusterated when the only thing they can kill is a shell bommy IF someone is nice enough to give them a weapon and armour..

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Originally Posted by Googi

Yeah, but nobody does anything about scammers.

Exactly

Which is Why I think Somoene who wants to do something about them should be GP

And yeah. I was told that Scamming is part of GK, hah..and to back it up this particular staff member used the class "Theif" as an example of it.

I think thats so rediculous..but oh well..argueing with that particular person has never lead to anything in the past

This post was started to help things, yet its turned a verbal battle like every other thread created intending to do good. When someone post a thread to try to change/help things..why do you people insist on bashing them..Post you're opinion on the topic..not the person who started it..
No good comes from everyone argueing

Sam · #39 11-15-2005, 08:09 AM

We don't hire any new GP staff in near future. The currently system (Admin Team takes a look on troublemakers) works good, and if there is a bigger problem you can use the support center.

Tipps · #40 11-15-2005, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

We don't hire any new GP staff in near future. The currently system (Admin Team takes a look on troublemakers) works good, and if there is a bigger problem you can use the support center.

Sam, I don't like to be a pest..but I understand you guys think it works good..but alot of people don't..and I can never understand why that does not mean anything to you guys

Also, I don't quite understand what you mean by "We don't hire any new GP staff in near future."
The current GP Zerohour has quit. Does that not mean there is need of a new one?