Warning about graalians.com - Page 2

LilNiglet · #41 11-07-2005, 09:58 PM

I had $450 USD taken from my PayPal account. Is it possible that this is linked?

Chris · #42 11-07-2005, 09:59 PM

Did you register on Velox's website?

xAndrewx · #43 11-07-2005, 09:59 PM

Is your account on that list?

PM by Emily

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Originally Posted by Emily_Cruddas

Your right, this may be a first time for something bad like this to happen to those listed, but i do hope they take this as a lesson to learn and use more care in the future.

(can only post one a day, and your still kewel

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LilNiglet · #44 11-07-2005, 10:04 PM

Indeed it is.

Also, Emily, I take great care in where I register. Graalians.com seemed like a legitimate place to go.

Chris · #45 11-07-2005, 10:04 PM

Then the chances of the two being related are high.

xAndrewx · #46 11-07-2005, 10:05 PM

Then yes, if you don't have a clue where it's gone.

LilNiglet · #47 11-07-2005, 10:06 PM

Seems like I found out where my money went, then. I'll inform PayPal and the authorities, but I'm sure they won't do crap.

Googi · #48 11-07-2005, 10:06 PM

Graalians.com was actually a pretty good site.

Chris · #49 11-07-2005, 10:07 PM

Sorry Tupper.

LilNiglet · #50 11-07-2005, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

Sorry Tupper.

<3 Not your fault at all. I'm actually not that angry at anyone, but mind you, if I speak to Velchox or whatever his name is again, I'm not going to be too passive about it

Arann · #51 11-07-2005, 10:10 PM

Meh, that sucks.

Minoc · #52 11-07-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

One could almost argue that it was the player's fault.

It partly was.

Skyld · #53 11-07-2005, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Minoc

It partly was.

Not directly.

It's not like Graalians.com was saying "Hey, if you register to this site, then we'll steal your personal details and/or Graal account/money!" upon registration.

And as most people have established, it wasn't the expected thing to happen, despite the probability that it could happen.

xAndrewx · #54 11-07-2005, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LilNiglet

<3 Not your fault at all. I'm actually not that angry at anyone, but mind you, if I speak to Velchox or whatever his name is again, I'm not going to be too passive about it

He hasn't been seen since. Goodluck trying to contact him.

Draenin · #55 11-07-2005, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Yesterday....all my troubles seemed so far away!

<4 @ The Beatles.

Graalians.com wasn't a bad site. In fact, I thought it would probably get big. It sort of did, but for all the wrong reasons. They were reasons not made clear to the public. The website was not run by a legitimate individual, rather than hacked into or otherwise, so his methods were unethical. Stealing accounts through methods like that and using Paypal accounts to send money to himself is illegal, if I am not mistaken. Whether or not I advise you all to take any sort of action upon it, though, is completely up to you.

Mykel · #56 11-07-2005, 10:53 PM

This thread is a few months too late.
[This was in reference to Gambet's post, but the threads were merged, so the timing is off.]

Googi · #57 11-07-2005, 11:17 PM

Haha, Gambet is making security proclamations now?

Minoc · #58 11-07-2005, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyld

Not directly.

It's not like Graalians.com was saying "Hey, if you register to this site, then we'll steal your personal details and/or Graal account/money!" upon registration.

Regardless, they should have used a different password for their own security.

Skyld · #59 11-07-2005, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Minoc

Regardless, they should have used a different password for their own security.

I do not doubt this, but most people would not think of that prior to registering to something.

Lyndzey · #60 11-08-2005, 12:06 AM

The accounts on the list have been banned temporarily so that users who do not see this thread will change their passwords.

If your account has been banned, please submit a support ticket.

Damix2 · #61 11-08-2005, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

stuff

You link us to thread...that we are in.

And also, get most of your facts straight, not everyone that registered used the same password as their email.

Lance · #62 11-08-2005, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Damix2

You link us to thread...that we are in.

And also, get most of your facts straight, not everyone that registered used the same password as their email.

It formerly existed as a separate thread. It was not felt as separate enough to merit its own thread, so it was merged into this one.

Minoc · #63 11-08-2005, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyld

I do not doubt this, but most people would not think of that prior to registering to something.

But they should.

Damix2 · #64 11-08-2005, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance

It formerly existed as a separate thread. It was not felt as separate enough to merit its own thread, so it was merged into this one.

2nd point still stands

Skyld · #65 11-08-2005, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Minoc

But they should.

We could argue this for a long time, but it will not achieve anything, so I suggest that we do not.

Minoc · #66 11-08-2005, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyld

We could argue this for a long time, but it will not achieve anything, so I suggest that we do not.

I wouldn't call that an argument, as we don't really disagree with each other..

Yeah, I get your point.

napo_p2p · #67 11-08-2005, 12:46 AM

It also seems that VC had 'wrong' password attempts logged, as some people who did not have their actual password stored there still had their accounts stolen (some people may have tried logging into graalians.com with their normal password by force of habit).

jake13jake · #68 11-08-2005, 12:53 AM

i actually have uhh
******** (Graal)
************(***) (Money/Email)
********(Graal Forums, AIM) <---(I probably would have used this password)
*******(University)
*******(Yahoo! Mail)

heck.. I almost feel like not *ing my Yahoo! Mail password. That password has been in existence since my first computer when I was 10.

OasaTor_PK · #69 11-08-2005, 02:49 AM

I used my gmail for this site, my graal account is on a hotmail, which is uberleetly passworded, with a no relation to oasator, which has my kittens. Use different passwords on dif sites, heh I rule.

Methril · #70 11-08-2005, 03:14 AM

Stefan, are you going to, or have you already contacted paypal in support of Graal Online users?

protagonist · #71 11-08-2005, 03:17 AM

Wow, two threads collided, and coherence was the fatality.

Chris · #72 11-08-2005, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Methril

Stefan, are you going to, or have you already contacted paypal in support of Graal Online users?

I hope so. I hear the total is around 1,100 USD now.

protagonist · #73 11-08-2005, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

I hope so. I hear the total is around 1,100 USD now.

Holy crap. I hope legal action is going to be taken?

Lyndzey · #74 11-08-2005, 03:27 AM

Velox has already contacted Paypal and is attempting to contact the two people who he stole money from.

Brad · #75 11-08-2005, 03:30 AM

man you gotta admit thats one sweet plan

Methril · #76 11-08-2005, 03:31 AM

That's not what I asked. I asked if Stefan (or I suppose another representative of Graal Online) had contacted paypal in support of it's users.

Don't take this as me being rude, I'm not trying to be rude. Thanks.

Lyndzey · #77 11-08-2005, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Methril

That's not what I asked. I asked if Stefan (or I suppose another representative of Graal Online) had contacted paypal in support of it's users.

Don't take this as me being rude, I'm not trying to be rude. Thanks.

I don't know the answer to that, but I do know that the money has been returned to the two users.

ZanderX · #78 11-08-2005, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Methril

That's not what I asked. I asked if Stefan (or I suppose another representative of Graal Online) had contacted paypal in support of it's users.

Don't take this as me being rude, I'm not trying to be rude. Thanks.

I don't quite understand the point of this. Why would Stefan contact PayPal? No one is taking you to be rude, it just doesn't really make sense for Stefan to contact PayPal.

VulcanP2P · #79 11-08-2005, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ZanderX

I don't quite understand the point of this. Why would Stefan contact PayPal? No one is taking you to be rude, it just doesn't really make sense for Stefan to contact PayPal.

Kamuii is right, I think, the responsibility to contact PayPal belongs to the victim of theft, not Linux Cyberjoueurs. Velox has already returned the money as Lyndzey said and it is Trooper and Sage's choice whether or not they want to try to press charges.

Don't confuse this with a statement from GraalOnline Staff. This is just my guess based on what I know.

Googi · #80 11-08-2005, 03:56 AM

http://wiki.graal.us/Velox_Phishing_Crisis