Bomy Island Staff Hiring

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by konidias

The problem with giving bomies BAES is that it's at terribly stupid idea and should never happen, ever. You might as well just be a freaking human if you're going to have arms and legs and whatnot. People have totally ruined what bomies were originally supposed to be and I'm going to try and fix that.

Antago, the creator of the playable race known as bomies, forged the ideas of BAES

[konidias]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

Antago, the creator of the playable race known as bomies, forged the ideas of BAES

I talked to him and he admitted that it wasn't a very good idea for 2k1. I actually talked to him for a while about bomies and learned the history and some interesting things about them. Bomies for 2k1 are supposed to be more like Yoshis.

He also agreed that his original plans for bomies were totally skewed because of other people getting in on the development. People started making things that looked nothing like bomies and got them uploaded.

edit: In fact, if I recall, he didn't come up with that idea... I don't think he had any control over it once he left and Kyle took over. Then birdbird and some other got involved with the project. If he did indeed come up with BAES, then I guess I'm mistaken. But it's still a really stupid idea. The whole point of having two races was to give them enough differences that people would want to pick one. Not give them exactly the same abilities.

[konidias]

So far I've only found one good LAT and he's doing great work so far. It's really going to help just having him helping with levels. He apparently doesn't want credit for it though, so I can't really reveal who it is.

Oh and I was working on more attributes and things today, here is what I have so far:



There is still going to be a face accessory as well as gloves and neck accessory and earrings as well, so that's still 4 more attributes left to add. I hope this animation can show people exactly how much work is being put into the character alone. :P

[Brad]

uh theres not gonna be like armor or anything right because that would ruin 2k1

i want 5 hearts. Maybe 6. No HP/armor system/etc.

[konidias]

No there are no stats on the armor. It's just for show. There's no stats on the clothing or swords or shields or anything. Everyone will have the same amount of hearts and the same sword power.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by konidias

No there are no stats on the armor. It's just for show. There's no stats on the clothing or swords or shields or anything. Everyone will have the same amount of hearts and the same sword power.

but basically we'll be able to purchase/win gear to make us look different from others?

and there will still be free crap to make us look different as well? Thats what I hate about GK the most..EVERYONE HAS THE SAME GOOD ITEMS.

[konidias]

Originally Posted by Brad

but basically we'll be able to purchase/win gear to make us look different from others?

and there will still be free crap to make us look different as well? Thats what I hate about GK the most..EVERYONE HAS THE SAME GOOD ITEMS.

Yes, you will be able to purchase some stuff from shops and win some stuff from events.

There's going to be enough clothing and hairstyles and face styles and skin colors and everything so that nobody needs to look the same. There are no "good" items on Bomy Island. There are some rare items but the rarity will make it impossible for them to be worn by everyone. You'll actually be buying things because you want to wear them for your style/look, not because they are the "best" available items.

The only real difference between this system and the original "setbody" system is that the clothing is not free and that's because I wanted to add variety to the economy. Also with this, people can't just change genders or species or copy people's looks in mere seconds.

It encourages roleplaying because you'll have to stick with the gender you picked from the start, and you have to obtain the clothing you want. I haven't exactly decided what clothing you get when you start out but I think something like dirty rag clothing and a wooden shield and sword would look nice. Maybe there would be a random factor on what color of raggy clothing you get. =P

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by konidias

It encourages roleplaying because you'll have to stick with the gender you picked from the start, and you have to obtain the clothing you want. I haven't exactly decided what clothing you get when you start out but I think something like dirty rag clothing and a wooden shield and sword would look nice. Maybe there would be a random factor on what color of raggy clothing you get. =P

This doesn't really have anything to do with the encouragement of roleplaying or not. None the less, one look systems are restrictive to roleplaying when playing a new character or a secondary character.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

This doesn't really have anything to do with the encouragement of roleplaying or not. None the less, one look systems are restrictive to roleplaying when playing a new character or a secondary character.

Men should NOT roleplay as women. Ever.

[konidias]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

This doesn't really have anything to do with the encouragement of roleplaying or not. None the less, one look systems are restrictive to roleplaying when playing a new character or a secondary character.

Maybe not to you.

Stop being such a stick in the mud. Do you really have nothing better to do than to pick apart every one of my ideas?

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

This doesn't really have anything to do with the encouragement of roleplaying or not. None the less, one look systems are restrictive to roleplaying when playing a new character or a secondary character.

Get a new account or secondary account.
Most people don't roleplay well enough for one character, much less a secondary one.

[xAndrewx]

Haha, looks nice :-).
Zurk just misses 2k1, ignore him for now.

[AlexH]

The clothes might not be that expensive. I can't imagine it costing massive amounts of money for a new shirt or trousers etc.

[Brad]

damn its gonna be hard bein banthar of the orcs

[konidias]

Originally Posted by Brad

damn its gonna be hard bein banthar of the orcs

Why?

[Brad]

Originally Posted by konidias

Why?

No one will accept me in the market

[konidias]

Originally Posted by Brad

No one will accept me in the market

Send in some minions.

[Myomoto]

I AM THE RULEST! haha, that's gold

[camelback]

Id like to help in anyway I can.. email [email protected]

[Griffyn]

Griffyn for Police.

But seriously, I wan't to be (Police) again.

[Correction]

Originally Posted by Griffyn

Griffyn for Police.

But seriously, I wan't to be (Police) again.

If you have to leave for a week, I want to fill in for you again...

[Damix2]

Originally Posted by Griffyn

But seriously, I wan't to be (Police) again.

So do I!

[Zurkiba]

In my 2k1 Server, Police are called Borgs. And instead of being jailed they're sent to the Cube to be assimiliated. Then they're given an assignment such as Six of Eight. But then they're given these helmets they cant take off which makes them look like Borgs. And actually the Jedi Council, aka FAQ, have to go kill the Borg because the Romulans hired the Jedi Council to attack the Federation but instead they decided to fight the Borg. All the while we would have Events Team who are really Mustashio'd Italians who can throw hammers at the Auctioneers. And if an Auctioneer is hit with a hammer then he becomes a hacker in which the Borgs have to assimiliate.

[Nappa]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

In my 2k1 Server, Police are called Borgs. And instead of being jailed they're sent to the Cube to be assimiliated. Then they're given an assignment such as Six of Eight. But then they're given these helmets they cant take off which makes them look like Borgs. And actually the Jedi Council, aka FAQ, have to go kill the Borg because the Romulans hired the Jedi Council to attack the Federation but instead they decided to fight the Borg. All the while we would have Events Team who are really Mustashio'd Italians who can throw hammers at the Auctioneers. And if an Auctioneer is hit with a hammer then he becomes a hacker in which the Borgs have to assimiliate.

But it will still "feel" like 2k1.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

In my 2k1 Server, Police are called Borgs. And instead of being jailed they're sent to the Cube to be assimiliated. Then they're given an assignment such as Six of Eight. But then they're given these helmets they cant take off which makes them look like Borgs. And actually the Jedi Council, aka FAQ, have to go kill the Borg because the Romulans hired the Jedi Council to attack the Federation but instead they decided to fight the Borg. All the while we would have Events Team who are really Mustashio'd Italians who can throw hammers at the Auctioneers. And if an Auctioneer is hit with a hammer then he becomes a hacker in which the Borgs have to assimiliate.

Yeah but what about Zormite?

[Sparkplug]

ultimate the panda was so awesome lol

[Brad]

i will be corrupt and get fired again

[xXDuMajuXx]

Sounds like a plan, Zurkiba.

[Googi]

The important thing with kingdom leaders is that their authority had to come from respect. Having your authority come from "listen to what I say or you'll get kicked out" never resulted in a successful kingdom. NPC kings will never have authority with the players because they'll never have the players' respect.

[Amagius]

Originally Posted by Googi

The important thing with kingdom leaders is that their authority had to come from respect. Having your authority come from "listen to what I say or you'll get kicked out" never resulted in a successful kingdom. NPC kings will never have authority with the players because they'll never have the players' respect.

Quoted for truth. I honestly would feel indifference with him dying, unless you added any little penalties to make us feel bad.

It might work, but when I roleplay, I like to have attachment in the platonic sense with the king. I like the ability to suck up.

[konidias]

Originally Posted by Googi

The important thing with kingdom leaders is that their authority had to come from respect. Having your authority come from "listen to what I say or you'll get kicked out" never resulted in a successful kingdom. NPC kings will never have authority with the players because they'll never have the players' respect.

Sounds just like real kingdoms. Do you honestly think everyone in a kingdom mourns the death of a king or something? Some people in kingdoms couldn't care less about the king.

I do not like the idea of some person getting all sorts of "respect" just for holding a position that requires little work. NPC kings will have greater authority than any person could ever have. If you betray your kingdom you could end up shackled or locked away for a while, or you could end up disbanded and considered an enemy by that kingdom and any of it's allies. There's also the possibility of being demoted.

Originally Posted by haunter

So basically you're going to be running every kingdom as you see fit and you plan on using these "NPC Kings" as your puppets?

Why such hostility? What do you think a "game master" or "dungeon master" does? They have to control the whole experience for the players. I don't honestly see a difference with me planning out certain events or five other people planning out the same events. Other than the fact that the more people needed for it, the more hassle it becomes.

As manager I plan to manage the server, and this includes managing things that impact the players and change the server. I myself know that I will be there to manage things, that is why I don't need a team of "kings" to do that. I trust very few people online, I think that's quite clear. I've had enough problems in the past with people staying loyal or keeping their word. It's extremely easy for one of the kings to just not want to log on one day and then make up an excuse whenever they decide to come back.

If you like having kings that disappear randomly with lame excuses, then you know where to play.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by konidias

Sounds just like real kingdoms. Do you honestly think everyone in a kingdom mourns the death of a king or something? Some people in kingdoms couldn't care less about the king.

I'm pretty sure when a real king dies then there is a huge mourning ceromony and a ton of the population attends.

Originally Posted by konidias

I do not like the idea of some person getting all sorts of "respect" just for holding a position that requires little work. NPC kings will have greater authority than any person could ever have. If you betray your kingdom you could end up shackled or locked away for a while, or you could end up disbanded and considered an enemy by that kingdom and any of it's allies. There's also the possibility of being demoted.

You misread what Googi said.
"The important thing with kingdom leaders is that their authority had to come from respect"
What Googi is saying is that Respect -> Leadership... it's not Leadership -> Respect.

Originally Posted by konidias

Why such hostility? What do you think a "game master" or "dungeon master" does? They have to control the whole experience for the players. I don't honestly see a difference with me planning out certain events or five other people planning out the same events. Other than the fact that the more people needed for it, the more hassle it becomes.

I didn't sense hostility from him. He was stating a valid question.
And why cant five or so kings determine the experience of roleplaying with a hand of a Kingdom's Admin?

[konidias]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

I'm pretty sure when a real king dies then there is a huge mourning ceromony and a ton of the population attends.

Thanks for stating the obvious and missing the point of what I said. Which is that I really doubt everyone at the ceromony actually cares. They have an obligation to be there.

You misread what Googi said.
"The important thing with kingdom leaders is that their authority had to come from respect"
What Googi is saying is that Respect -> Leadership... it's not Leadership -> Respect.

I didn't misread him. I'm saying that respecting the king is not vital, except when in the presence of the king. Many people in real kingdoms do not care about nor respect the king.

I didn't sense hostility from him. He was stating a valid question.
And why cant five or so kings determine the experience of roleplaying with a hand of a Kingdom's Admin?

He came off as sounding hostile because of the way he worded his question. Maybe it doesn't seem that way to you because you're being nearly as hostile as him.

The question is, why are five or so kings even needed?

[Discharge]

My feelings:

I oppose robots for Kings. I am pro-real people King, I enjoyed greatly role-playing with the monarchy and such.

[haunter]

Originally Posted by konidias

I trust very few people online, I think that's quite clear.

I see that, yes... It seems to be a very large part of your reason for using NPC Kings. But really, what makes you think we (the players) should trust you more than Kingdom Leaders?

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by haunter

I see that, yes... It seems to be a very large part of your reason for using NPC Kings. But really, what makes you think we (the players) should trust you more than Kingdom Leaders?

I'd think we'd be more concerned with his admin-level RC access if we were going to question his trustworthiness.

[konidias]

Originally Posted by haunter

I see that, yes... It seems to be a very large part of your reason for using NPC Kings. But really, what makes you think we (the players) should trust you more than Kingdom Leaders?

Well... I am the manager. You have to trust me with everything, really. I think it's easier to trust one person than it is trusting like 5 different people.

Originally Posted by protagonist

I'd think we'd be more concerned with his admin-level RC access if we were going to question his trustworthiness.

Hahaha. Exactly. Sometimes people question things without actually thinking them through.

[haunter]

Originally Posted by konidias

Well... I am the manager. You have to trust me with everything, really. I think it's easier to trust one person than it is trusting like 5 different people.

I meant more in the sense of how can we trust you to be a good five kings. I don't mean how can we trust you wont go crazy and start deleting all the kingdom members/server content. How can we be certain you're so reliable that you'll be able to show up to run your puppets when needed. You said it's easier to trust one person rather than 5... But nevertheless if said one person doesn't come through, you're cheesed... On the other hand if one of 5 doesn't come through the other 4 are still there to keep things going... Plus, with NPC kings there are no "second in command"; with player kings if the king is unable to show up to an event for some reason, there are other high-ranking players to take their place.

I'll admit I like the idea of NPCs giving small kingdom based quests, but I dont think it's such a good idea to remove the players' ability to control how their kingdoms will run. By removing the aspect of 4 or 5 different people each running their own group of people you're destroying something. Each person has different ideas, different motives, they react differently to certain situations, hell even personal emotions come in to play... You might think that some of these things are bad for the RP world, but I'd say it makes everything more interesting.

Just a few final questions for a while:

How complex do you expect to make these kings? I mean, it sounds pretty tricky, from what I can tell you're more into the graphical part of things.

Which kingdoms are you planing on using?

You said yourself that you were never involved in anything that had to do with kingdoms. How do you expect to be able to run 5 of them all on your own? How can you be so certain that your Kingdoms System is better than the previous one?

Are you taking into account what the players are saying? So far I only count one that is for your Punch n' Judy Kingdoms System.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by konidias

Sounds just like real kingdoms. Do you honestly think everyone in a kingdom mourns the death of a king or something? Some people in kingdoms couldn't care less about the king.

That's not what I was saying. I'm saying that more of a kingdom leader's authority flows from their respect than their position. Just look at what's happening to Etien and Kefkin on 2K2.

[Zulithe]

Googi said:
Having your authority come from "listen to what I say or you'll get kicked out" never resulted in a successful kingdom.

No King I ever worked with ever acted this way. Maybe some of the later Kings did, after I let my account expire. It should never be that way. Noone should have to pay a monthly/yearly fee so that they can get bossed around. It should be fun for everyone. Any King who acted thusly is not King material, and something seriously went wrong when that King was chosen. If real people (staff or otherwise) get to be or control Kings this time, there should be some safety precautions in place to help remove "bad" rulers who act against the #1 rule which is to have fun and not to impede the fun of others.

Kingdom leaders will still gain respect, even if they are just NPCs most of the time. Actual people would be controlling the Kings at certain times (hopefully), which will make them seem more real. But with the NPC system, the King will be present even when the person who controlls the King is not logged into the game, making them more present. You get the best of both worlds.

I know that when I was a King, there were times of day I could not get online due to work, school or whatever. I'm sure there were members of my Kingdom who very rarely saw me "in game" which may have limited the experience for them. Imagine roleplaying a soldier when there is no ruler around to serve, protect or otherwise bounce roleplay off of. An NPC system helps to solve this. At the very least you would know where the King is at any given moment.

konidias said:
I do not like the idea of some person getting all sorts of "respect" just for holding a position that requires little work.

While I like the direction you wish to go with Kingdoms, I can tell you first hand that it is a LOT of work to be a ruler. Much more than it looks on the surface. You have to come up with roleplay plotlines with the other rulers, schedule roleplay events for when the right people are going to be online, manage the guild (Kingdom) list, personally attend the ceremony for when a new Knight/etc. enters the Kingdom (at least we did this in Dustari...), argue/haggle with level designers to work on your Kingdom (or do it yourself, which you obviously WON'T have time for if you plan on being a good and present King), deal with PMs which rival or exceed that of any staff, and I know this because I've been staff. And plenty more stuff.