i'm a bit confused :(

[LordZen]

Because, Gyrant didnt take the actions he should have against Etien. Scamming is obviously common, but it is not tolerated when its done by kingdom leaders. And Gyrant didnt do what he should have to Etien (demotion, or get him to give the stuff back, for example) because of favoritism (they are friends IRL), and that is a terrible leadership flaw. In real life government examples, that would be considered corruption.

Plus, Etien scammed upwards of 1000 USD worth of items, and used that person's friendship to trick that person into handing the items over. Is that the kind of friend you want? Knowing that if you have alot of great gear, when he borrows something he might not -ever- give it back? Abusing your trust.

Most of the server was pissed off by the fact that Gyrant let Etien stay 2nd in command after doing the biggest scam probably in GK history, and as punishment Etien had to IDLE ON ZORMITE ISLAND IN THE PILLORY FOR A WHILE. And then, afterwards, shrugged it off and insisted Etien had learned his lesson. This is what inflamed the server, further. All the while Etien is plowing around with his stolen gear, still.

Again, you dont know the ideals nor the supposed frienship which you are choosing to fight for.

The last straw, which has brought on the upcomming war, was Gyrant killing his own RP character to replace the king of Zormite with a NEW RP character, played by -- yes you guessed it -- the same friggin person! Himself! Then, imposes his own sets of RP standards and backgrounds (excuse me, it was actually stolen from Tolkein and LOTR, my bad) into Graals enviornment, and it was not welcome. He sets up a Drow kingdom on Zormite island (which is supposed to be dark elves) and a past graalian RP administrator had already made it clear that Drows do not exist in Graal's world.

A poor story was put together about how this Drow empire suddenly replaced a long established quasi communist power. And they insist on continuing to impose illegal Roleplaying into Graal's universe, and even have made it obvious that they are ignorant about GK's storyline by insisting a seperation between GK and Graal Bomy Moon, contending the stories are unrelated and that the Zormite race of Graal Bomy moon cannot ever make an appearance on GK (which is infact false, because both servers are supposed to be different locations on the same planet, from the same timeline).

So yes, they are ignorant. Ignorant of the history, the facts, and the standards of Graal's roleplaying universe.

[Debaglio]

Originally Posted by LordZen

Because, Gyrant didnt take the actions he should have against Etien. Scamming is obviously common, but it is not tolerated when its done by kingdom leaders. And Gyrant didnt do what he should have to Etien (demotion, or get him to give the stuff back, for example) because of favoritism (they are friends IRL), and that is a terrible leadership flaw. In real life government examples, that would be considered corruption.

Plus, Etien scammed upwards of 1000 USD worth of items, and used that person's friendship to trick that person into handing the items over. Is that the kind of friend you want? Knowing that if you have alot of great gear, when he borrows something he might not -ever- give it back? Abusing your trust.

Most of the server was pissed off by the fact that Gyrant let Etien stay 2nd in command after doing the biggest scam probably in GK history, and as punishment Etien had to IDLE ON ZORMITE ISLAND IN THE PILLORY FOR A WHILE. And then, afterwards, shrugged it off and insisted Etien had learned his lesson. This is what inflamed the server, further. All the while Etien is plowing around with his stolen gear, still.

Again, you dont know the ideals nor the supposed frienship which you are choosing to fight for.

The last straw, which has brought on the upcomming war, was Gyrant killing his own RP character to replace the king of Zormite with a NEW RP character, played by -- yes you guessed it -- the same friggin person! Himself! Then, imposes his own sets of RP standards and backgrounds (excuse me, it was actually stolen from Tolkein and LOTR, my bad) into Graals enviornment, and it was not welcome. He sets up a Drow kingdom on Zormite island (which is supposed to be dark elves) and a past graalian RP administrator had already made it clear that Drows do not exist in Graal's world.

A poor story was put together about how this Drow empire suddenly replaced a long established quasi communist power. And they insist on continuing to impose illegal Roleplaying into Graal's universe, and even have made it obvious that they are ignorant about GK's storyline by insisting a seperation between GK and Graal Bomy Moon, contending the stories are unrelated and that the Zormite race of Graal Bomy moon cannot ever make an appearance on GK (which is infact false, because both servers are supposed to be different locations on the same planet, from the same timeline).

So yes, they are ignorant. Ignorant of the history, the facts, and the standards of Graal's roleplaying universe.

1) I left the kingdom...... is that not enough???????

2) Just because I pulled of the biggest bamboozle in GK history dont be a hater. I am good with the ladies what can I say????

3) People trust me still. I have more trust than ever.

4) Zormite died...they abandoned the kingdom, and now that they see the superior RP, they come back to get a piece... I dont think so.

Zen you ever play BINGO??? You have to bingo when it happens not, one or two balls later. If you cared you would not have sat idle doing nothing while Zormite was Zormite. It was changed so more people would become interested, not save some BS past that happend a couple years ago.

5) Kefkin never said anything about Tolkein, I did. I was trying to show people where these concepts come from because he is the father of the concepts. You want to talk about jacking concepts... Hyralts.. give me a break.

6) Past Graal Admin has not posted a "No Drow" so... that doesnt fly. If it was that big of a deal, Bjorn and Stephan would have said "No" and the forum name would probably still be Zormite.

7) Drow exist, just like humans, orcs, dwarfs, pirates, gremlins, vampires, pixies, and werewolfs. Who made you RP god of what exists and what doesnt. The only thing I dont see existing is those fish people.......

8) I guess solid RP is considered illegal. Bel'la is the only kingdom that has solid RP.

9) Its not our fault that your concepts of old have been lost, and no one cares about your old stories... and RP.

10) Bottom line. Bel'la is moving forward with the steam and fury of a steam engine fueled with nitrous oxide.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by Splke

You have no conception of the utter cataclysmic fate that awaits you.

I love this quote o.o

Originally Posted by SayianOozaru

there not "ignorant" people, and i no that i don't no what i'm fighting for, but i don't care, Etien has helped me alot when i used to play GK, so i'll always be on his side, no matter if what he did was "wrong". Him scamming Jaxlexia or w/e isn't his fault, it's her's. If your scammed, it's ur fault you feel for it, not the scammers, i've been scammed b4 and i no it sucks, but you can't blame the other person for scamming you, if you feel for it, you just have to sit back and say damn, he/she got me. So what if Etien scammed someone, alot of people scam other people, my bro(MechEagle) told me he no's 2 or 3 people that have scammed all of there items, and they have really good items, but i don't see the whole server turning on those 2, so why turn on Etien and Gyrant?

Oh! I get it now. So if a person is killed then the person who died is the murderer. Or atleast along those lines. So that's what's wrong with the world's justice system. We have it backwards! Instead of putting the murderers and thieves in jail, we should be putting the victims of those types of people in jail.

And lets not forget some other people who helped others out. People like Hitler and Stalin. Yeah, they helped people out but does that make them saints or people you should blindly follow?

Originally Posted by Debaglio

1) I left the kingdom...... is that not enough???????

2) Just because I pulled of the biggest bamboozle in GK history dont be a hater. I am good with the ladies what can I say????

3) People trust me still. I have more trust than ever.

4) Zormite died...they abandoned the kingdom, and now that they see the superior RP, they come back to get a piece... I dont think so.

Zen you ever play BINGO??? You have to bingo when it happens not, one or two balls later. If you cared you would not have sat idle doing nothing while Zormite was Zormite. It was changed so more people would become interested, not save some BS past that happend a couple years ago.

5) Kefkin never said anything about Tolkein, I did. I was trying to show people where these concepts come from because he is the father of the concepts. You want to talk about jacking concepts... Hyralts.. give me a break.

6) Past Graal Admin has not posted a "No Drow" so... that doesnt fly. If it was that big of a deal, Bjorn and Stephan would have said "No" and the forum name would probably still be Zormite.

7) Drow exist, just like humans, orcs, dwarfs, pirates, gremlins, vampires, pixies, and werewolfs. Who made you RP god of what exists and what doesnt. The only thing I dont see existing is those fish people.......

8) I guess solid RP is considered illegal. Bel'la is the only kingdom that has solid RP.

9) Its not our fault that your concepts of old have been lost, and no one cares about your old stories... and RP.

10) Bottom line. Bel'la is moving forward with the steam and fury of a steam engine fueled with nitrous oxide.

1) You need to stop being so egotistical about yourself. The world doesn't revolve around you, nor does Graal.

2) No

3) Yeah, you keep thinking that.

4) LAWLZ THE ZORMITES DEID BECUZ I SAID THEY DID... LAWLZ.
No, it doesn't work that way. You dont even know what a Zormite is. So why dont you just shut your yap and stop trying to conform the set rolepalying enviroment to your own tastes.

5) Zen never said anything about Kefkin saying anything about Tolkien

6) Because we know how the forums define the roleplaying world. I mean, I can get the RP Admin to come on here and tell you his previous decision on the matter.

7) Graal's roleplaying universe has always revolved around going off of the set concepts established in 2001. Just because you, a simple player who never held a roleplaying administration position on 2k2 or 2k1 NOR do you even know what the rolepalying universe is about, say the Zormites do not exist does not make it true.

8) No

9) Who said they're lost? ... last I heard there was a huge armada coming to bring about racial purity amongst the Zormite isles.

10) "Bottom line. Bel'la is moving forward with the steam and fury of a steam engine fueled with nitrous oxide."
I agree
You are moving foward like a steam engine fueled with laughing gas.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Debaglio

10) Bottom line. Bel'la is moving forward with the steam and fury of a steam engine fueled with nitrous oxide.

Did you even pay attention in Chemistry?

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Chris

Did you even pay attention in Chemistry?

Appearantly not!

[LordZen]

Originally Posted by Etien

1) I left the kingdom...... is that not enough???????

2) Just because I pulled of the biggest bamboozle in GK history dont be a hater. I am good with the ladies what can I say????

3) People trust me still. I have more trust than ever.

4) Zormite died...they abandoned the kingdom, and now that they see the superior RP, they come back to get a piece... I dont think so.

Zen you ever play BINGO??? You have to bingo when it happens not, one or two balls later. If you cared you would not have sat idle doing nothing while Zormite was Zormite. It was changed so more people would become interested, not save some BS past that happend a couple years ago.

5) Kefkin never said anything about Tolkein, I did. I was trying to show people where these concepts come from because he is the father of the concepts. You want to talk about jacking concepts... Hyralts.. give me a break.

6) Past Graal Admin has not posted a "No Drow" so... that doesnt fly. If it was that big of a deal, Bjorn and Stephan would have said "No" and the forum name would probably still be Zormite.

7) Drow exist, just like humans, orcs, dwarfs, pirates, gremlins, vampires, pixies, and werewolfs. Who made you RP god of what exists and what doesnt. The only thing I dont see existing is those fish people.......

8) I guess solid RP is considered illegal. Bel'la is the only kingdom that has solid RP.

9) Its not our fault that your concepts of old have been lost, and no one cares about your old stories... and RP.

10) Bottom line. Bel'la is moving forward with the steam and fury of a steam engine fueled with nitrous oxide.

*ahem*

1) You left the kingdom far too late, and of your own free will. The damage is already done. The point is you were not punished, but instead a show was presented to the server, making a mockery of the issue.

2) Not even worth a comment.

3) Like Kefkin, and this blind kid who doesnt even care what happened? Yea, you attract a good crowd.

4)

Originally Posted by Etien

If you cared you would not have sat idle doing nothing while Zormite was Zormite. It was changed so more people would become interested, not save some BS past that happend a couple years ago.

You clearly dont know what you are talking about. You know what I did when Zormite was Zormite? I changed it to the Zormite Republic, idiot. I did a kingdom wipe, redid everything, I even actually spent time developing a background to the new kingdom, and documentation. Wow, theres a thought.

Kingdom activity was renewed 10 fold, and near the start of it the Zormite Republic even owned the entire Samurai nation, and its Shogun served as my General (Both kingdoms were named Zormite Republic and toguilds were shared because both kingdoms had the same tag)

5) I know he never said that. He imposed the Drow RP crap, and you defended it by stealing background information from Tolkien and LOTR. Bam.

6) I wonder how hard you even looked for that before making that claim. It was obviously made pretty damn clear at some point, if so many people know about it. In retrospect, you really havent had much experience with this stuff, time-wise. Maybe you should stop assuming everything that happened before ETIEN is irrelevant, and get with the picture. (lol I should start refering to things in BE and AE (Before Etien & After Etien)).

7) Right, they exist, in TOLKEIN AND LOTR OMGWTF~~~!

And again, you show your ignorance of the facts, those fish people are an established race in Graal history, and still exist in great numbers in the old world. SRY

8)

Originally Posted by Etien

I guess solid RP is considered illegal. Bel'la is the only kingdom that has solid RP.

I guess solid waste is considered illegal. Bell uh Ocra is the only kingdom that smells of solid waste.

Oh thats right, thats because the island has become a friggin dump site for everything you 2 have come up with that NOBODY else in the entire server wants anything to do with.

9) I would just like to point out this statement highlighted Etien's complete lack of understanding for how roleplaying is supposed to work. You dont just out of nowhere start doing some crap without any basis, but infact Etien and Kefkin chose this path, and decided to disregard the past established history, which is stupid because you cant build a story on a foundation of NOTHING. At least not this far down the road in a world's history.

10) That steam engine filled with nitrous oxide must be having some problems. I suggest having a mechanic look at it, or try running the engine off of steam.

[Debaglio]

I stoped reading your message.

Just to let you know... what Kef draws from is a concept older than Tolkein.

We are old schoolers. Older than TOLKEINS LOTR.... it was nice that they made a movie for you guys to learn about RP concepts because if you had to read about it god how magled you would interpret his concepts. I am sorry your kingdom efforts and stuff is all gone now replaced by a concept that leaves most of you olbies speechless. You had six months of chance to get ZR back in gear.... no one showed, so things got changed.

Now that it is illegal to force RP on a kingdom without the leaders permission, Zormite has been buried forever, only a memory of 2001. THERE ARE NO PLAYERS BESIDES YOU GUYS OF 2001 that care about ZR... or ZE. Give me a break.

Like I said.. ZE.. or ZR come back...
The forest is rightfully mine.

Have fun metagaming.

Bel'la Olplyn Ultrin.

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by Debaglio

I stoped reading your message.

Just to let you know... what Kef draws from is a concept older than Tolkein.

We are old schoolers. Older than TOLKEINS LOTR.... it was nice that they made a movie for you guys to learn about RP concepts because if you had to read about it god how magled you would interpret his concepts. I am sorry your kingdom efforts and stuff is all gone now replaced by a concept that leaves most of you olbies speechless. You had six months of chance to get ZR back in gear.... no one showed, so things got changed.

Now that it is illegal to force RP on a kingdom without the leaders permission, Zormite has been buried forever, only a memory of 2001. THERE ARE NO PLAYERS BESIDES YOU GUYS OF 2001 that care about ZR... or ZE. Give me a break.

Like I said.. ZE.. or ZR come back...
The forest is rightfully mine.

Have fun metagaming.

Bel'la Olplyn Ultrin.

Allow me to address this. Graal's Roleplaying on 2k1 predates the Lord of the Rings movies, obviously. However, the world setting was not just ripped from some source. It was devised, very carefully, by the past kings of 2k1. Think of it like the United States. Our founding fathers gave us a constitution. If a new president is elected, he dosen't just up and change the BASIC, UNDERLYING CONCEPTS OF THAT CREATION. When changes such as that are made, they are gradual; and the result of mutual agreement between ALL governing bodies.

You keep trying to pretend that everything you do and say is perfect; not only that, but you say that all your ideas are beyond anything any other RPer can invent. And you wonder why people hate you? Your ideas and settings are no more advanced than Play-Doh. As far as this server goes, you are the little kid sitting on a stool in the corner with a dunce cap on. And everyone sees it but you and your handful of zealous friends.

The RP Team can override a Kingdom's consent rule. And by summoning "The Beast", Kefkin accepted the challenge of War. If he wasn't going to recognize it, he wouldn't have felt it necessary to conjure a Cthullu-in-training, now would he?

And Forest is not rightfully yours, nor will it ever be in grimy little hands.

[Debaglio]

Im not talking about the freekin movie... im talking about the book. A READABLE THING>... it is used to create your own pictures in your mind.

Zurkiba... is floating around making up stuff..... Kefkins god woke... nothing wrong here.

You look like your with them... not forest... ohh wait.. you left, said your goodbyes...

The forest is mine now.

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by Debaglio

Im not talking about the freekin movie... im talking about the book. A READABLE THING>... it is used to create your own pictures in your mind.

Originally Posted by Debaglio

it was nice that they made a movie for you guys to learn about RP concepts because if you had to read about it god how magled you would interpret his concepts.

Seems like you implied that we had stolen concepts from the Movies. But as for the book, Tolkein is really not the alpha and omega of roleplaying. Only someone very ignorant would accept all of Tolkein's work as being universally canon.

Originally Posted by Debaglio

Zurkiba... is floating around making up stuff..... Kefkins god woke... nothing wrong here.

Zurkiba is not "making stuff up". He is actually FOLLOWING Graal's established canon. Summoning an underwater "God" that no one has ever heard of...that breaks the canon, just a little.

Originally Posted by Debaglio

You look like your with them... not forest... ohh wait.. you left, said your goodbyes...

Then I came back. It was necessary, considering the way you've been raping RP.

Originally Posted by Debaglio

The forest is mine now.

That is possibly the most unfounded claim I have ever heard. The Forest has actual protection in the form of an army, mystic protection in the form of the Hyralts, and it is already inhabited.

[LordZen]

Originally Posted by Etien

I stoped reading your message.

I would expect nothing less, ignoring other people's viewpoint is probably why you still act so ignorant about what your doing wrong.

Originally Posted by Etien

Just to let you know... what Kef draws from is a concept older than Tolkein.

And just to let you know, I keep refering to Tolkein and LOTR because you refered to them yourself, using them as the basis for why Drows should be OK in graal. Still, you choose to ignore that Drows dont exist in Graals world, and never will.

Originally Posted by Etien

You had six months of chance to get ZR back in gear.... no one showed, so things got changed.

I dont even understand this. Me? I havent been running the ZR way longer than 6 months, and last I recall it was you and Kefkin who screwed it up in the end.

You cannot deny that you posted in tons of super old threads in the Zormite forum, trying to revive ZR stuff, and Kefkin made his own attempts at making changes.

Originally Posted by Etien

Now that it is illegal to force RP on a kingdom without the leaders permission, Zormite has been buried forever, only a memory of 2001. THERE ARE NO PLAYERS BESIDES YOU GUYS OF 2001 that care about ZR... or ZE. Give me a break.

Its not like the kingdoms leader owns the kingdom, he/she is still subject to GK staff's jurisdiction.

And Zormite are NOT buried forever in any such memory. AGAIN, you claim to be such a champion of Roleplaying, yet you cannot comprehend such a SIMPLE concept. The histories of Graal Bomy Moon and Graal Kingdoms are NOT seperate, and NEITHER world can cease to exist. They are both ONGOING, just because one server is way more active than the other means nothing. That does not affect whether or not a storyline can continue or not. The very fact that people still further the history of GK means GBM is ongoing as well, because the 2 servers are LINKED -- 2 areas of the same planet.

And just so you know, I didnt even play 2k1 that much back when it was big, I was busy with Babylon server, and when I did play on 2k1 I was in Elven. Haha. AND THEY WERE NOT DROWS OMGWTF??~

And, a steam engine burns coal because the fire heats the steam. Nitrous oxide lol, good luck with that.

[Debaglio]

Originally Posted by LordZen

I would expect nothing less, ignoring other people's viewpoint is probably why you still act so ignorant about what your doing wrong.


And just to let you know, I keep refering to Tolkein and LOTR because you refered to them yourself, using them as the basis for why Drows should be OK in graal. Still, you choose to ignore that Drows dont exist in Graals world, and never will.


I dont even understand this. Me? I havent been running the ZR way longer than 6 months, and last I recall it was you and Kefkin who screwed it up in the end.

You cannot deny that you posted in tons of super old threads in the Zormite forum, trying to revive ZR stuff, and Kefkin made his own attempts at making changes.


Its not like the kingdoms leader owns the kingdom, he/she is still subject to GK staff's jurisdiction.

And Zormite are NOT buried forever in any such memory. AGAIN, you claim to be such a champion of Roleplaying, yet you cannot comprehend such a SIMPLE concept. The histories of Graal Bomy Moon and Graal Kingdoms are NOT seperate, and NEITHER world can cease to exist. They are both ONGOING, just because one server is way more active than the other means nothing. That does not affect whether or not a storyline can continue or not. The very fact that people still further the history of GK means GBM is ongoing as well, because the 2 servers are LINKED -- 2 areas of the same planet.

And just so you know, I didnt even play 2k1 that much back when it was big, I was busy with Babylon server, and when I did play on 2k1 I was in Elven. Haha. AND THEY WERE NOT DROWS OMGWTF??~

And, a steam engine burns coal because the fire heats the steam. Nitrous oxide lol, good luck with that. I would like to nibble your nuts.

What is Draxx.... the Roi of forest... DROW.

I tired to revive old zomite stuff so that we could get it goin again.. no one cared.... lol

Why dont you post a lil about Zurkiba and how he was blacklisted from the old Zormite long ago. I know you want to.

[busyrobot]

I haven't posted anything yet really, but man this is just the dumbest thing I've seen in graal...the inanity confounds the human mind.

First:
For "Sayian" you should know, if you just returned to the kingdom, chances are RPwise you are a member of the Zormite Republic who's leader was just murdered by some unknown darkelf freak that wondered out from nowhere, who then managed to topple your beloved government. Yes, the leader you were devoted to is dead. So, you should probably find a way to RP kill your character off if you want one that would ally with the despot who killed your leader. I can't for the life of me see why you'd want to do that.

Second:
Etien you come across as a real idiot. Honestly, it would be very difficult to come up with worse concepts than the ones you put forth.

Example:
Summoning a "God" like creature no one even heard about that has nothing to do with graal canon.... dumb
A drow summoning a creature that isn't even associated with anything dark elves are associated with (maybe something subterranean...something that likes dark and all that?) doubly-idiotic.
A drow summoning a creature of the very element that his enemies are known for having total dominion of.......ok, veins are popping.
At this point the question has to be asked - are you on crack? Do you even know what RPing is?
Then this.....Elves coming to your aid? To the aid of dark elves? From the "West" of all places? Have you even seen what the islands look like in relation to each other?
Do you even know anything about drow at all, or elves, or zormite, or graal?

You should know that the result of any RPed conflict is not determined by whether you think you are godlike and everyone else is idiots, so you may want to modify your strategy a bit.


Lastly, when you try to sound cool you don't, so stop it. We are all just painfully reminded of Vanilla Ice constantly whenever you post something, and that's just wrong.