Scam complaints accumulate

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Gambet

The fact that scamming is legal

Except that it was just declared illegal.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Googi

Except that it was just declared illegal.

I'd rather the manager, Bjoern, or Stefan declare it illegal, rather then the EM Admin. Unless, of course, they asked him to make this thread, but from the looks of it, it just seems like another one of Sam's rules.

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Gambet

I'd rather the manager, Bjoern, or Stefan declare it illegal, rather then the EM Admin. Unless, of course, they asked him to make this thread, but from the looks of it, it just seems like another one of Sam's rules.

Since he's the highest admin who has said anything definitive on the subject, his word is law. Stefan probably doesn't want to say "yes it's okay" because it's brutally dishonest to scam, but probably doesn't want to say "no" because he would get spammed with requests to retrieve scammed items.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Gambet

I'd rather the manager, Bjoern, or Stefan declare it illegal, rather then the EM Admin. Unless, of course, they asked him to make this thread, but from the looks of it, it just seems like another one of Sam's rules.

I don't see them overuling him anywhere.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by protagonist

Since he's the highest admin who has said anything definitive on the subject, his word is law. Stefan probably doesn't want to say "yes it's okay" because it's brutally dishonest to scam, but probably doesn't want to say "no" because he would get spammed with requests to retrieve scammed items.

Yes, I suppose so. But, that doesn't make his rule just. Sam has always used his power to protect himself at times, which is why I'd rather someone else make it official. I'm not very fond of Sam.

Originally Posted by Googi

I don't see them overuling him anywhere.

Stefan is on vacation. Bjoern, well, don't have a clue what he's doing since he spends his days on debug/GK.

Anyways, as VT stated, I doubt Stefan would say anything. Also, I doubt Bjoern would protest, since it would probably lead to problems between them.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Sexual harassment is illegal. The fact that scamming is legal, gives you right to make your character a scammer

Good god, man. Have you ever stopped to think about this? Here's a condensed version of your argument:

"Scamming is possibly part of somebody's character"
"Scamming is legal"
"Therefore scamming should be legal"

If we're determining whether or not scamming should be legal then the roleplaying aspects are irrelevant. But you yourself claimed that you had given a "good reason" when you cited them in opposition to Sam's ruling.

Just think. That's all I ask!

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Anyways, as VT stated, I doubt Stefan would say anything. Also, I doubt Bjoern would protest, since it would probably lead to problems between them.

Which pretty much gives Sam the authority to declare scamming illegal, seeing as how he plans to enforce the rule against it.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Good god, man. Have you ever stopped to think about this? Here's a condensed version of your argument:

"Scamming is possibly part of somebody's character"
"Scamming is legal"
"Therefore scamming should be legal"

If we're determining whether or not scamming should be legal then the roleplaying aspects are irrelevant. But you yourself claimed that you had given a "good reason" when you cited them in opposition to Sam's ruling.

Just think. That's all I ask!

You are not quite bright.

I said scamming could be part of ones character, or class for the matter, if they chose the ways of a thief. Scamming is legal, unless this thread officially made it illegal, which I still don't see why it would/should be illegal. And where did I say therefore scamming should be legal? I don't recall ever stating that.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Gambet

I said scamming could be part of ones character, or class for the matter, if they chose the ways of a thief

How is that an argument for keeping it legal, you dolt?

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

How is that an argument for keeping it legal, you dolt?

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD....RPING...ROLE PLAYING YOU "DOLT".


The thief class could be perfect for such "scamming". I mean, if you are foolish enough to allow yourself to be scammed, then so be it. Most people that are scammed usually don't get scammed anymore, since being scammed opens their darn eyes. Let the players learn from their mistake, but don't pamper them.

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Gambet

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD....RPING...ROLE PLAYING YOU "DOLT".


The thief class could be perfect for such "scamming". I mean, if you are foolish enough to allow yourself to be scammed, then so be it. Most people that are scammed usually don't get scammed anymore, since being scammed opens their darn eyes. Let the players learn from their mistake, but don't pamper them.

Does that mean we can ban non-thief scammers?

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by protagonist

Does that mean we can ban non-thief scammers?

On the note of role playing characters, yes, I suppose so. Scamming is something a thief would do, not a barbarian or a warrior or a mage.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Gambet

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD....RPING...ROLE PLAYING YOU "DOLT"

YES. HOWEVER, YOU ALREADY SAID THAT THINGS SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED JUST BECAUSE THEY COULD CONSTITUTE PART OF A PERSON'S CHARACTER.

THINK

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

YES. HOWEVER, YOU ALREADY SAID THAT THINGS SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED JUST BECAUSE THEY COULD CONSTITUTE PART OF A PERSON'S CHARACTER.

THINK

No, I didn't. I said scamming could constitute as part of a persons character, thus, it should be allowed, not that it shouldn't. Heck, I still don't see any valid reasoning as to why scamming should be illegal.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Gambet

No, I didn't

Yes you did. Otherwise you would be agreeing that sexual harassment should be allowed.