Your opinions on the Global Graphics Team please.

KawaiiSaRiA · #1 05-31-2005, 06:11 PM

Well, as many of you probably already know, I have recently come back to Graal. But before hand, I would sit here "behind the scenes" and observe what was going on around me. Some of you may know me as former global graphics admin of Graal Online, some of you who may be new to the game would have never heard of me.

Is it just me, or is the global graphics team sort of inactive? Please give me your opinions, and what you would like to see done with the team.

Do they have a part in Graal as is (if they're still active)? Or is it just pointless to have a global graphics team alltogether?

If someone were to somehow fix the team back to the way it was when I was in charge, would you perhaps accept it? think it's a good thing? or still just something pointless not worth worrying about? Would you like to see the team once again active to its full potential?

Does Graal NEED a graphics team. That is where the question lies. I want to hear your opinions. I feel this is a Graal topic of conversation, and I would respect it if the super mods would not move this post to the Graphics forums please.

This is something that needs to be read, and replied to if possible.

maximus_asinus · #2 05-31-2005, 06:15 PM

Anyone who is still on the team uses the tag as a trophy, and nothing else. I haven't seen any work from them at all, but that could just be me.

osrs · #3 05-31-2005, 06:20 PM

I think it would be very good to have an active and working team again.

KawaiiSaRiA · #4 05-31-2005, 06:23 PM

Not implying anything here
but how would you all feel if I was back in action again. Repaired the damage, got a good bunch of suitable people together, and actually started getting the team active again. The way it used to be..

Velox Cruentus · #5 05-31-2005, 06:57 PM

I would disagree. I have enough trouble with Globals aready, that an active global team would perhaps do more harm. I don't want an active one, I want one that does it's job.

As far as I'm aware, the only practical use of such a team is to discuss who had which graphics first. That is a minor job, and a entire team to debate on such would be just too stupid. Leave that to the Playerworld Admin Team.

My opinion on Globals is that they are currently doing a rather bad job. Graphics team is unneccessary. Playerworld Admins should do that task.

Darlene159 · #6 05-31-2005, 07:09 PM

I would actually love an active graphics team that keeps check on illegal graphics, inappropriate graphics, stolen graphics, etc...
As it is, I dont go on other servers, so if someone had graphics from another server uploaded to NP, I wouldnt know unless someone complained (this seems to be going on alot on Graal). Also, I would like to remove all global graphics from ftp on NP, but I have no idea which ones are global...then there is that cigarette shield that should have been removed from global graphics ages ago, and the one that looks like a pot leaf (not sure if it is still online or not, but it was named maple leaf or something).

I dont have a problem at all if a global informs me of something illegal on my server...I prefer to know, and would feel better knowing someone is keeping check on it

Nice to see you back, Kawaii <3

KawaiiSaRiA · #7 05-31-2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Velox Cruentus

I would disagree. I have enough trouble with Globals aready, that an active global team would perhaps do more harm. I don't want an active one, I want one that does it's job.

As far as I'm aware, the only practical use of such a team is to discuss who had which graphics first. That is a minor job, and a entire team to debate on such would be just too stupid. Leave that to the Playerworld Admin Team.

My opinion on Globals is that they are currently doing a rather bad job. Graphics team is unneccessary. Playerworld Admins should do that task.

Graphics team was around way before PWA.

Inspiration · #8 05-31-2005, 08:02 PM

Honestly, I don't feel a Global Graphics team is needed.

Unlike scripting, graphic problems (Illegal images, illegal file names, ect) are something any given server's staff is completely capable of handling. Competence in the field of graphics is not required.

I don't really see how a GGT would be useful enough to warrent giving them the powers it entitles them.

konidias · #9 05-31-2005, 08:28 PM

Actually, Lordzen handled a problem for me just the other day. Rudora had stolen some images from my playerworld and he got right on it the same day it was pointed out. I'm not sure if the graphics have been removed yet (as I haven't checked) but he did talk to them and he took the proper course of action. See thread: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=59168

Oh, and by the way... hey Kawaii!

edit: in my opinion, I think there needs to be somebody who really knows their stuff, and actually checks servers often for stolen or illegal content. not just sits around and waits for someone to complain. I'm not saying that's what happens... but we rarely see any stolen gfx cases get fixed in the public view. If they ARE actively fixing things, it would be hard to notice anyway, because it's not as if they post about it every time they remove stolen gfx.

Trevor · #10 05-31-2005, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KawaiiSaRiA

Does Graal NEED a graphics team. That is where the question lies. I want to hear your opinions.

The only way I would support a graphics team is if it actually *made* graphics. For some reason the graphics teams has always checked for stolen graphics. This always seemed like a waste of resources to me. Tell me, how hard is it to see if a given graphic is stolen?

Sure, I know someone has to check if graphics are stolen or not. But why waste the people who have talent making graphics on such a frivolous activity? Get the PWA to do this. Or better yet, just let the PWA start taking emails of cases where someone thinks their graphics are stolen (it could already be handled this way, not sure).

Like I was saying, don't waste your resources. If you can make quality graphics, then, for heaven's sakes, do that! Don't run around looking for stolen ones.

zell12 · #11 05-31-2005, 08:44 PM

Lets say the team is inactive and you come back and take over or something. You have been gone for so long now, and adbandoned the team. Who's to say you wouldn't do it again?

Anyway, im just questioning it. I love seeing you around again!

VulcanP2P · #12 05-31-2005, 09:56 PM

I was talking to LordZen just yesterday about two problems from what I can see he's doing fine and is helping where help is needed.

Velox Cruentus · #13 05-31-2005, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KawaiiSaRiA

Graphics team was around way before PWA.

Having them formerly does not undermine my comment on how PWA's should take that responsibility now. It's a conflict between two servers, and thus wise, they should take care of it.

Brad · #14 05-31-2005, 10:10 PM

hey kawaii

after they gave me the boot i cried for hours on end

now i hate them

osrs · #15 05-31-2005, 10:11 PM

I still support the idea.

Smutastic · #16 05-31-2005, 10:17 PM

What Velox and Trevor said.
Oh well, I think the current PWA team is doing a great job, leave it as it is, even if you are awesome, Saria.

Fry · #17 05-31-2005, 10:22 PM

I don't see them doing much, some of them can get quite annoying as they just seem to zap through the servers and annoy other people.

Yet I do not know everything, so it might just be some background work they are doing.

Hiro · #18 06-01-2005, 01:29 AM

Who's fully on the team anyways..

Splke · #19 06-01-2005, 01:35 AM

You're the girl --Chris-- thought was hot.. >.>..

I've never seen the GGT other then on GK flaunting the tag around or using it for warp powers.. then again, I don't play Graal much :P

HoudiniMan · #20 06-01-2005, 01:55 AM

The PWA has been doing the majority of the stolen graphics control work for a long time now. Currently however, we do this more on a complaint -> action basis.

We have been lacking on routine inspections mostly due to the recent explosion in the number of playerworlds. For this reason I think somebody to actively report problems would be of great use, but it doesn't warrant any global rights to do that job.

However, the PWA will soon be resuming active routine inspections of -all- worlds, so I think the question we should be asking in this thread is:

What will the GGT do exactly?

Lyndzey · #21 06-01-2005, 02:00 AM

I always thought the GFX team accepted or rejected new heads/shields/swords/bodies. Does Graal no longer do that now?

Googi · #22 06-01-2005, 03:12 AM

Global GFX Team is kind of pointless now.

Rick · #23 06-01-2005, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lyndzey

I always thought the GFX team accepted or rejected new heads/shields/swords/bodies. Does Graal no longer do that now?

No. The global heads/shields/swords/bodies is even more inconsistent now that there are many playerworlds on different servers.

Hiro · #24 06-01-2005, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

The PWA has been doing the majority of the stolen graphics control work for a long time now. Currently however, we do this more on a complaint -> action basis.

We have been lacking on routine inspections mostly due to the recent explosion in the number of playerworlds. For this reason I think somebody to actively report problems would be of great use, but it doesn't warrant any global rights to do that job.

However, the PWA will soon be resuming active routine inspections of -all- worlds, so I think the question we should be asking in this thread is:

What will the GGT do exactly?

Make GFX for Graal3D, Kingdoms, or Classic?

KawaiiSaRiA · #25 06-01-2005, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by zell12

Lets say the team is inactive and you come back and take over or something. You have been gone for so long now, and adbandoned the team. Who's to say you wouldn't do it again?

Anyway, im just questioning it. I love seeing you around again!

I abandonded them? No, actually, I had my leave planned. I handed it down to Zen hoping he would perhaps improve it (at the time he was assistant admin), but I'm not sure I've seen much since I've been gone.

Scott · #26 06-01-2005, 06:38 AM

Gah. First off, I would like to see the GGT revised. I don't really understand much of it. It's purpose, and the inactivity of the people within it. I love Zen, but really... I only see him active publically once in a blue moon. He could be doing behind the scenes work, but I doubt it. He has IRL problems to deal with most of the time from what I know, and if that's going to affect his work habits, then perhaps some action should be taken. From what I know of you Kawaii, you don't seem to have much online access anymore either. I used to talk to you via a completely different alias, and I heard about some of the random crap you had to deal with. Is it worth it for you to even put the energy into the GGT again? Would you be willing to actually make sacrafices to improve it? If so, more power to you.

Aside from that, my whole preception of the GGT seems baffled. My idea of it was for it to be a resource for playerworlds more so than a moderator. I once brought up the idea of making tutorials for playerworlds, official ones, when it comes to pixel art. I'm a senior within the art community, I'm sure some people agree with me, but my suggestions were not taken seriously. I see the GGT as player resource to help improve the overall quality of the art of the Graal community. The standard seems to be lowering now that Oasis has been abandoned. (Or am I misinformed about that?) It just seems there's a gradual decline in the quality of work. There's a few artists on the forums that stand out that just need a bit more work, but other than that... meh. I'd be willing to put forth the time to make tutorials, provide global graphics for servers, etc, but what's the point if I'm not acknowledged? I'm not going to lie, gratitude is nice to have. Everyone wants it. It's part of Graal. People work to gain experience and reputation. But right now the GGT is just the tightly knit buddy-buddy of Zen and --Chris--.

Anyways, ya. I'm all up for seeing a revision of the GGT if first off you make a format for the priorities and who would be on it. I'll do whatever I can to support you.

Johnny_5 · #27 06-01-2005, 06:45 AM

It seems like the PWA should really handle this job, just like they handle stolen levels and scripts. To be honest, I feel the GGT is obsolete. If its only job is to check for stolen GFX, the PWA should have jurisdiction on it just like any other stolen property. Someone mentioned that they should make GFX, well then they should work for a server. You don't see the GST going out and scripting for people on request.

Trevor · #28 06-01-2005, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott

My idea of it was for it to be a resource for playerworlds more so than a moderator.

And that is exactly what it should be.

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I once brought up the idea of making tutorials for playerworlds, official ones, when it comes to pixel art.

Why not do it now? I'd love to see some tutorials from you now.

Spark910 · #29 06-01-2005, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Trevor

Why not do it now? I'd love to see some tutorials from you now.

I guess he brought up the idea, but didn't want to do it himself maybe.

HoudiniMan · #30 06-01-2005, 01:11 PM

Kawaii seemed to miss my question in her reply:

Since the PWA have taken over the stolen graphics aspect of the game, if you took over, what exactly would the GGT be doing?

Velox Cruentus · #31 06-01-2005, 01:43 PM

I vote Houdini not allowed influencing us because he's PWA and may be saying such for more power for himself!

Hehe... He does have a point though.

Malinko · #32 06-01-2005, 02:53 PM

If the Playerworld Administration takes care of the issues that Global Graphics Team should handle, then why should the team even exists?

I've heard LordZen is starting to be more active doing his job, which is quite nice.

Galdor, I know he's apart of the Global GFX Team, though does not have a global RC nor a global tag.

Garel, no clue where he went.

--Chris--, I don't know?

Though, the team should not only do work when someone spots, "Oh! Look! It's illegal GFX, let me tell someone to fix it!" The team should be actively looking through the playerworlds randomly to make sure nothing of illegal content is being used.

Crono · #33 06-01-2005, 03:07 PM

I find it pointless to have a global graphics team.

KawaiiSaRiA · #34 06-01-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

Kawaii seemed to miss my question in her reply:

Since the PWA have taken over the stolen graphics aspect of the game, if you took over, what exactly would the GGT be doing?

Graphics.

Spark910 · #35 06-01-2005, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KawaiiSaRiA

Graphics.

I'll elaborate from ICQ conversations.

I believe Kawaii wishes to make the team more of a development role into the game, such as helping with graphics for the main servers again, and possibly classic servers if needed (although mainly the main servers - Zone, Kingdoms, 2001, Classic - where they needed such services).

By the team being called Global Graphics Team it gives the idea that it is a team that makes graphics, over 'Graphics Administration' which suggests more of an admin role in something, and it is the idea that maybe they should be making the graphics which is what I believe Kawaii is going for.

Darlene159 · #36 06-01-2005, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KawaiiSaRiA

Graphics.

Global graphics that everyone can use? Or graphics for specific PW's?

Crono · #37 06-01-2005, 05:14 PM

Then why the hell wont they have a Global Levels Team? They have a Global Graphics Team which is pretty useless and Global Scripting Team which in the past has been more useful than the Global Graphics but overall still not useful-enough.

:|

DarkShadows_Legend · #38 06-01-2005, 05:50 PM

We already have a global level maker doing tons of work. His name is LevelGen.exe or something like that and hes almost everywhere.

GGT would be nice to have for the stated reasons by Kawaii and also for handling some of the load for checking for stolen gfx. 100 something worlds could just drive the PWAs mad!

Trevor · #39 06-01-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Malinko

If the Playerworld Administration takes care of the issues that Global Graphics Team should handle, then why should the team even exists?

If you would read the rest of the thread you would know.

Many people, including myself, are suggesting that the Global Graphics Team actually make graphics.

HoudiniMan · #40 06-01-2005, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KawaiiSaRiA

Graphics.

It gives me pause that you're proposing heading a new global team, and your explanation of what you'll do is one word...