No more jail: Graal's Reform - Page 2

Kaimetsu · #16 05-17-2005, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Velox Cruentus

Depending on the offense... There has been a thing going around, Kaimetsu, called Second Chances. It's when you figure that the person learnt their 'lesson' and redeem from their past actions

How very naïve.

Chris · #17 05-17-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

How can they mass from jail? I thought massing from jail is disabled.

Server Options -> jaillevel= levelname.nw/.graal

TESTRETIS · #18 05-17-2005, 04:58 PM

Actually, an MMORPG I currently play (won't mention name) has a jail, but very few people are aware of it and people are rarely sent to it, because most of the time they are banned. Usually for people who break the rules slightly and need to be punished for whatever reason, most slip ups usualy result in warnings and bans but in some cases they are sent there, but I will mention a few other graalians do play this MMORPG.

Velox Cruentus · #19 05-17-2005, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

How very naïve.

I never said it wasn't.

SoSolid66 · #20 05-17-2005, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

How very naïve.

He was right though, plus..some people grow up, or out of doing certain things

Kaimetsu · #21 05-17-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SoSolid66

He was right though, plus..some people grow up, or out of doing certain things

Some people, yes. But does it happen often enough to justify assuming that people have changed?

NeoJenova · #22 05-17-2005, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

It only hurts their chances?

I know that 4 years ago when I was 14 I wasn't as mature as I am now and because of my immaturity I did things that would warrant a visit to UNs jail atleast once every two weeks.

After a little growth and maturity I was given a chance for my jail record to be overlooked because of the way I presented myself during the application time to become a staff member.

So yes it would hurt your chances if we can see you have not changed and we believe you still show the same immaturity that landed you in jail all those times on you record.

Kaimetsu · #23 05-17-2005, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoJenova

I know that 4 years ago when I was 14 I wasn't as mature as I am now

So, what, you support this policy because it once benefitted you?

Anecdotal evidence is practically worthless. I acknowledge that some people change, but that doesn't justify assuming that everybody can. And it's pretty easy to fool somebody on an application form or in an interview - hell, I know lots of people that can appear mature most of the time but rapidly descend into petulant stupidity if pushed the wrong way.

Crono · #24 05-17-2005, 06:14 PM

Bad idea this will impact communities because of reasons i cannot explain since im eating and am not thinking straight, and its just stupid to be like other games. Graal has SOME (wow believe it or not) originality. Why the hell should it change because of some retard who makes noise in jail? Oh and by the way, players aren't supposed to be able to mass in jail.

NeoJenova · #25 05-17-2005, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

So, what, you support this policy because it once benefitted you?

I didn't say I supported the policy I was only explaining why it only hurt a players chances to becoming staff.

Kaimetsu · #26 05-17-2005, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoJenova

I didn't say I supported the policy I was only explaining why it only hurt a players chances to becoming staff.

There's nothing to explain. The policy has already been described in sufficient detail - all that is left is to justify it.

Rick · #27 05-17-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

These games don't jail you. They ban you right away if you act up.

Kind of hard to do that when certain global staff reverse your decisions without properly investigating first.

HoudiniMan · #28 05-18-2005, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Kind of hard to do that when certain global staff reverse your decisions without properly investigating first.

If you have an issue my inbox has space.

Kai and Neo stop hijacking my thread

Kaimetsu · #29 05-18-2005, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

Kai and Neo stop hijacking my thread

Given the breadth of your topic, I think you'd have difficulty arguing that we're straying from it.

Gambet · #30 05-18-2005, 03:08 AM

We have no jail on Zone. When players hack or start using profanity towards players directly in a disrespectful manner, then I proceed in banning them. I see no point in jails anyways. As moonie stated, players intentionally act up to be sent to jail.

Suggestion:

If these timed bans are implemented to the RC program, then I think that it should ban the users IP, rather then only account. (I'll use Zone as an example)...I'm sick and tired of me banning trial members on Zone, and then they just get on another trial and act disrespectful again, and I dont always catch them the second time, since I have no clue what account to look out for. This doesn't only apply to the trial members, but some gold members also. It's ridiculous. If you're banned on a server, you shouldn't be able to access it until you are unbanned (if you are unbanned).