Graal dieing

[KuJi]

Originally Posted by Nitkizi

Graal3D is dead?

Wrong, it was supposed to be "just a demo".

[Velox Cruentus]

G4 exists. A LOT of people are using it... Well, not that much. An exclusive amount of players are using it and reporting the bugs in a sticky forum in Tech Support Forum.

I'm pretty sure Graal isn't making that thread just to get the players spread rumors on it's existance. It's been known to me for over a month that G4 exists. Infact, some users already logged on to my server with graalversion == 4. Thus, it DOES exist.

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Googi

Think about what you're saying. Are you seriously going to play a playerworld where all of the scripts have been deleted even in the GS1 system? I mean, after you've milked the "ZOMG" factor out of it.

The thing is, GS1 scripts are just GS1 scripts. They don't necessarily control the clients' functions to the extent GS2 does.

Originally Posted by Velox Cruentus

G4 exists. A LOT of people are using it... Well, not that much. An exclusive amount of players are using it and reporting the bugs in a sticky forum in Tech Support Forum.

I know people are using it, but how would you know by the way Graal's management is spreading the news? Additionally, I don't know why all VIPs aren't being given this; we're supposed to be testing new technology.

Originally Posted by Velox Cruentus

I'm pretty sure Graal isn't making that thread just to get the players spread rumors on it's existance. It's been known to me for over a month that G4 exists. Infact, some users already logged on to my server with graalversion == 4. Thus, it DOES exist.

But the management has said nothing official.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by protagonist

The thing is, GS1 scripts are just GS1 scripts. They don't necessarily control the clients' functions to the extent GS2 does.

Yeah, but it doesn't matter. If you lose all your scripts in either system your server is nothing until you reload a backup.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by protagonist

Additionally, I don't know why all VIPs aren't being given this; we're supposed to be testing new technology

The first stage is where Stefan and a small group of (mostly) competent people test its scripting engine and suchlike, to iron out the more obvious, universal bugs. They're (mostly) capable of isolating and analysing and concisely reporting problems that would break gameplay.

Then the VIPs come in. There's a lot more of them, meaning that the software gets tested on a wider range of hardware and in a bigger range of situations. The reports tend to be inferior, but usually the associated bugs aren't as life-threatening so people can realistically use the client without any big problems.

This is the way any software house works. Before the product is released to the public, it's scrutinised by a selection of more informed individuals.

[VulcanP2P]

Stefan is releasing Graal v4 to VIP members in a few days. That came straight from him.

[deathbarrier99]

Why do ya'll start something about this playerworld crap? The staff couldnt care less; it shows when they close every single story about this. I know Era can't even reach above 30, but when Unholy Nation has 130 on a bad day, thats fricking terrible. These managers are terribly unqualified, they come from different servers that are nothing like Era. Thats it: nothing's like Era. Rick and Velox came ready,and guess what, they brought Era to its lowest playcount. I know it's very hard to be a manager, but if you cant do it than why should YOU be hired. I know that most of ya'll will disagree, but loads of people play Era, and I believe that I'm speaking on part of all of us.

[underwood]

Personally i think that Graal is the best game out there its just not advertised enough i download these game witch people pay like 25 dollars for and the graphics suck, no staff hardly anything and they love it. People who like graal stay for a very long time, Years! But once they get older they have to go. there is a lot of P2Ps out there but people dont pay to much attention to the beginning players and focus only on the best players, It is an on going cycle the beginning players will grow to be the best and than quit.

But whats starting to happen is peoples friends will quit so there friends will quit because they will start to have less friends, so players will be quiting and quiting.

[jacob_bald6225]

Originally Posted by underwood

Personally i think that Graal is the best game out there its just not advertised enough i download these game witch people pay like 25 dollars for and the graphics suck, no staff hardly anything and they love it. People who like graal stay for a very long time, Years! But once they get older they have to go. there is a lot of P2Ps out there but people dont pay to much attention to the beginning players and focus only on the best players, It is an on going cycle the beginning players will grow to be the best and than quit.

But whats starting to happen is peoples friends will quit so there friends will quit because they will start to have less friends, so players will be quiting and quiting.

You're about a year late in this topic...

[Skyld]

Originally Posted by underwood

Personally i think that Graal is the best game out there its just not advertised enough i download these game witch people pay like 25 dollars for and the graphics suck, no staff hardly anything and they love it. People who like graal stay for a very long time, Years! But once they get older they have to go. there is a lot of P2Ps out there but people dont pay to much attention to the beginning players and focus only on the best players, It is an on going cycle the beginning players will grow to be the best and than quit.

But whats starting to happen is peoples friends will quit so there friends will quit because they will start to have less friends, so players will be quiting and quiting.

Please do not revive old threads.

[underwood]

I dont mind

[Thallen]

There's been 23832847238478 of these threads, same opinions, no reaction from the people who matter.
Graal is dying because it is trying to turn into something it is not. Bring Graal back to how it was in 1999 or 2000, even leave it P2P.

[excaliber7388]

The way I see it, the biggest problem with Graal, is it's losing old players, and not gaining new players quick enough. At my school, there used to be about 20 people who played graal, not, there's just one, me. What happened? Many of them complain that graal is targeted for a younger age. Think about it, these forums mostly have older users, however, the topics have to be censored for children under 12, who shouldn't even be playing. I have said a lot about the forums, and I still beleive that it is one of the reasons people leave. If you want details, look at other forums related threads, there's a ton, all about excessive moderation, this is a potentail problem, bt I'd rather not discuss it too much here. Makes you question when the customer stopped being right though. Now, as an owner of a server, I am taking age demographs this into consideration, and I plan to add more things targeted for a more mature audience. I'm hoping other servers do the same. I also hope graal beefs up it's advertising, and provides more tutorials for learning how to develope, so graal can get more developers.

[Infernix]

I think the gaming world is improving itself is people are drawing less attetion to a mediocore game like graal. Cause when I look at it, all these years of development and its still failed to show some true gaming experience like on old 2d systems. Sadly yes it has also gotten worse.

[lancelot9]

Yeah, totally agree with you Infernix. As for me and the dev team of Atrius however this is somewhat of basic training for us. After Icarus is complete we are moving away from graal and starting Icarus on a 3d engine that G-man, or also know as Scott, is creating. Graal will be dead I'de say within a few years, I give it 4-5 max. UNLESS Stefan and Unix step up and kick it into gear and creat something to keep up with the times.

Its always good being a staff member on some server.. If i hadnt picked up on Deving I no doubtedly would have quit 2 years ago. Now I look back at some of my first graphics and I wonder what else I can do with my life, ya know? In 2 probably less than 2 years I've became one of the best, or so people say.
In otherwords what Im trying to get at I guess is dont waste your time and life on the game if your not getting anything out of it. And most players feel the same way, thats why graal has gottn worse.

[protagonist]

To be rather frank, there needs to be more servers who offer a genuine, authentic Zelda feel instead of more servers who try to re-invent the wheel.

[lancelot9]

Yeah i totally agree with that aswell. People like the old, and most people are affraid of change, I know i am...

The originals the best... Thats why people wear converse, or spend more money on older cars even though theres a newer model. If my SNES was still workin I know ide play a link to the past again.. the was such a sweet game.

[Drogankid]

Originally Posted by lancelot9

Yeah i totally agree with that aswell. People like the old, and most people are affraid of change, I know i am...

The originals the best... Thats why people wear converse, or spend more money on older cars even though theres a newer model. If my SNES was still workin I know ide play a link to the past again.. the was such a sweet game.

There is danger in comfort zones. Many of the things we take for granted daily would have never been if their inventors had said "Oh, well, it's good enough".

[lancelot9]

Yep. and thats why graals dieing now. Because people are saying Well, thats good enough.

[excaliber7388]

Wasn't V4 gonna work on cell phones? THAT would be an awsome touch for Graal gaming. Personally, I like graal, and the way the different servers are like nothing else in the gaming world. Graal's unique, and I plan to stick with it

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Wasn't V4 gonna work on cell phones? THAT would be an awsome touch for Graal gaming. Personally, I like graal, and the way the different servers are like nothing else in the gaming world. Graal's unique, and I plan to stick with it

What unique game have you been playing, because I've yet to see ANYTHING that could be described as "like nothing else in the gaming world." That's a pretty broad world you're making blanket statements about there bub, and it encompasses a whole heck of a lot.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

What unique game have you been playing, because I've yet to see ANYTHING that could be described as "like nothing else in the gaming world." That's a pretty broad world you're making blanket statements about there bub, and it encompasses a whole heck of a lot.

I play a game that lets me play as much as I can develope, that has different storylines, different ways of playing, and a multiplayer atmosphere. I call it graal

[Ethereal]

I'm pretty sure everyone misses the old graal days, around 15 servers with 100+ on each server. I used to play mithica, great server, we used to get around 200 people playing at peak times. What first attracted me to graal was that i knew a friend who played and since it was free i got hooked pretty quickly. Nowadays if i knew a friend who played it and i found out you had to pay for it, i probably wouldn't even consider it. Too be honest i haven't had any fun on graal whatsoever since pre-p2p days and it's only friends who play that actually make me go back and play it every once in a while..

I'm not too good with marketing stratagies but why not have graal free again for the whole of 2007, think of how many new people and old people will start playing, getting chain reactions going and suddenly you have players friends friends friends playing so then you've got around 3000 people playing and then bring back p2p in 2008 or sometime later. Most of those
new people are going to upgrade and suddenly you'll end up regaining the profits you missed out on in 2007 but have increased profits from then on.
No idea if that will work but just my 2cents.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Ethereal

I'm pretty sure everyone misses the old graal days, around 15 servers with 100+ on each server. I used to play mithica, great server, we used to get around 200 people playing at peak times. What first attracted me to graal was that i knew a friend who played and since it was free i got hooked pretty quickly. Nowadays if i knew a friend who played it and i found out you had to pay for it, i probably wouldn't even consider it. Too be honest i haven't had any fun on graal whatsoever since pre-p2p days and it's only friends who play that actually make me go back and play it every once in a while..

I'm not too good with marketing stratagies but why not have graal free again for the whole of 2007, think of how many new people and old people will start playing, getting chain reactions going and suddenly you have players friends friends friends playing so then you've got around 3000 people playing and then bring back p2p in 2008 or sometime later. Most of those
new people are going to upgrade and suddenly you'll end up regaining the profits you missed out on in 2007 but have increased profits from then on.
No idea if that will work but just my 2cents.

Wouldn't work, why would they pay for it in 2008 if they expect a nother free year. And drawing in old players won't work well, because they'll quit in 2008. You could offer p2p like access to noobies for a month, then give them a normal trial. It feels worse to have had and lost to have never had. Give them a little p2p time, then take it away. They'll be more likely to want to purchase it if they have seen the full capabilities of graal. Many of my friends played as a trial, hated it, so they quit, instead of actually buying the p2p, because they assumed that thats what graal was like. This has been the same case MANY times, we're having trouble getting new users.