To: Current 2k1 staff

[Waltz5]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Yeah, because people never quit from other servers. Only 2K1!

Did I ever say that? I was saying, how many have left because of Tseng being the manager or refuse to even attempt to help on 2k1 due to Tseng? I'm not concerned with other servers.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Waltz5

Did I ever say that? I was saying, how many have left because of Tseng being the manager

I'll explain in more detail for you.

People quit servers all the time, and it's often because they dislike other staff members. So what? What does it prove? It's usually a result of the immaturity of the workers rather than a legitimate issue with the manager.

How soon would it take before they got into a disagreement with Konidias and stormed out?

[Waltz5]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

It's usually a result of the immaturity of the workers rather than a legitimate issue with the manager.

Yes it can be. But if there are numerous accounts with one person involved wouldn't that make it seem there is atleast some fault on that person?

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

How soon would it take before they got into a disagreement with Konidias and stormed out?

I've worked with Koni on 2k1 in the past and I've disagreed with him already. Like most normal people, he can be stubborn at times but know he has the ability to atleast listen and discuss differences in point of view. Disagreements are expected and are mere road bumps in my opinion in playerworld production.

My personal reasons for leaving 2k1 include a lack of communication on Lance's end. Maybe he was right in the end, but it's not very encouraging to not even have your ideas listened too/read.

Originally Posted by Lance

Zero legitimate ones.

That's an opinion.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Waltz5

if there are numerous accounts with one person involved wouldn't that make it seem there is atleast some fault on that person?

Potentially, but it depends on the circumstances. If lots of people are quitting at the same time then it's probably just herd instinct.

I've worked with Koni on 2k1 in the past and I've disagreed with him already. Like most normal people, he can be stubborn at times but know he has the ability to atleast listen and discuss differences in point of view

My experiences suggest otherwise.

Originally Posted by Googi

How? It doesn't change people's memories of the server, and especially not of the people who used to play it.

Negative association, dawg.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Negative association, dawg.

Since it hasn't happened in any widespread way even after the failures up until now, I don't see why there'd be some sort of magic number of failures at which point everyone will no longer think 2K1 was ever good.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Googi

it hasn't happened in any widespread way even after the failures up until now

How many failed revivals have there been?

Originally Posted by Brad

kai, you dont want him to try because you want OTHERS to always remember it?

It's not about what I want. I don't think the outcome of this disagreement will affect me in any significant way, no matter what happens. But that doesn't mean I'm unqualified to say what would be best for Graal as a whole.

You do consider Lance a friend though

And you arrived at this conclusion because I agree with him on a matter? Fine. Konidias is your friend, and therefore you are biased.

Do yourself a favor and dispense with the ad hominems.

[WanDaMan]

Konidias couldn't do any better. Viva la' Lance.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

How many failed revivals have there been?



It's not about what I want. I don't think the outcome of this disagreement will affect me in any significant way, no matter what happens. But that doesn't mean I'm unqualified to say what would be best for Graal as a whole.



And you arrived at this conclusion because I agree with him on a matter? Fine. Konidias is your friend, and therefore you are biased.

Do yourself a favor and dispense with the ad hominems.

Theres no need to flame me. I am merely saying you make no justified statements of Lance doing anything good for the server. You just poke around it by saying no one would be better. You're doing this to save a friends job which I can respect, but NOTHING IS BEING DONE. My God, this is ridiculous. Why the hell does Lance even want the job still?

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

How many failed revivals have there been?

Technicly only one. But it was dead and/or dying for a long time besides that.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Waltz5

Did I ever say that? I was saying, how many have left because of Tseng being the manager

Zero legitimate ones.

or refuse to even attempt to help on 2k1 due to Tseng?

Sounds like a personal problem.

[zell12]

Originally Posted by Lance

Zero legitimate ones.

Zero? Should Kyden and I have stayed staff on Graal2001, just to sit in RC and talk to eachother. We can do that on AIM if we wanted to. You were never there.

I don't know about the other peoples reasons good enough to start quoting them, but didn't scott leave because nothing was going on? Shadowless wanted money to keep working?

Sounds like a personal problem.

Personnel problem with you never being around maybe? Problem with you unable to do your manager duties?