Era - The new beginning?

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Stefan

The reason for the temporary clientside hit detection was that there is a bug right now that optimizes npcs so that they are not visible to serverside. That often removes 90% of the npcs so that the scripts and the npcserver in general runs much faster. The problem with that is that the npcs are not blocking anymore, and projectiles on serverside are flying through them, while they are blocked on clientside. So you might be hurt without seeing any projectile. That problem can be quite annoying if projectiles fly long ways, you can reduce the range by changing the shoot-parameters though. It is planned that the problem with those non-blocking npcs will be fixed soon.

Is that not due to improper scripting?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Is that not due to improper scripting?

...no. It's due to the server being unaware of objects, and thus letting projectiles pass straight through them.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

...no. It's due to the server being unaware of objects, and thus letting projectiles pass straight through them.

I thought the server read everything as objects with GS2, or is that only the player?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Gambet

I thought the server read everything as objects with GS2

That doesn't mean what you think it means.

Honestly, I'm not even sure what you think it means.

This isn't a new GScript vs old GScript issue. It's not even related to scripting. From what has been said here, it seems that the GServer simply doesn't know about some types (probably those without scripts) of blocking clientside NPCs. Other than for blocking reasons, it doesn't need to know about them. So if we stop treating them as NPCs then we can reduce some of the strain on the server, right? No need to trigger them in response to events, no need to involve them when iterating through NPCs, etc.

The only problem is that the server isn't considering them when determining the flight of projectiles; the objects are there, and the client knows about them, but the server just seems a big ol' empty space. Hence, bullets are (from the perspective of the server) travelling through what the players perceive as walls.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

That doesn't mean what you think it means.

Honestly, I'm not even sure what you think it means.

This isn't a new GScript vs old GScript issue. It's not even related to scripting. From what has been said here, it seems that the GServer simply doesn't know about some types (probably those without scripts) of blocking clientside NPCs. Other than for blocking reasons, it doesn't need to know about them. So if we stop treating them as NPCs then we can reduce some of the strain on the server, right? No need to trigger them in response to events, no need to involve them when iterating through NPCs, etc.

The only problem is that the server isn't considering them when determining the flight of projectiles; the objects are there, and the client knows about them, but the server just seems a big ol' empty space. Hence, bullets are (from the perspective of the server) travelling through what the players perceive as walls.

Ah, well, thats a pretty big problem for a server like Era.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Ah, well, thats a pretty big problem for a server like Era.

Yeah, well, I'm sure it'll get fixed soon.

[Soul-Blade]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

How come you didn't use that on Shifting Ages? dawg that was laggier than Era.

The issue was not anything related to scripting and making the scripting better (though if I took more time I likely could have reduced some lag). It was the fact my images were far too big. It was like having a 3d model in game - only the 3d model was pre-rendered in a sprite sheet. Graal can't handle images that big effectively (Well, Gv3 can handle them fine...that being said, you may see the space ships again. Just not on my PW ;-).

Also, reason number 2 I didn't implement a system like that is it really was not needed. It was a different type of gameplay. When you fired a weapon, it was near certain you would hit your enemy. It was meant for making the stronger player win. Of course, it was possible to try and dodge things..but when you've got missiles like homing missiles and magnetic bombs like SA had, you're going to get hit. Being able to dodge bullets is just insane, and that isn't what I was going for...the game was designed for serverside lag is what I am saying. Just not clientside lag...and that is the kind of lag it caused.

Originally Posted by Stefan

The reason for the temporary clientside hit detection was that there is a bug right now that optimizes npcs so that they are not visible to serverside. That often removes 90% of the npcs so that the scripts and the npcserver in general runs much faster. The problem with that is that the npcs are not blocking anymore, and projectiles on serverside are flying through them, while they are blocked on clientside. So you might be hurt without seeing any projectile. That problem can be quite annoying if projectiles fly long ways, you can reduce the range by changing the shoot-parameters though. It is planned that the problem with those non-blocking npcs will be fixed soon.

Hmm...that is a terrible error. Getting hit through a wall, though, is not as bad as client hit detection. A better fix would be to reduce the range of weapons to 10-20 tiles or so, and still allow it to go through NPCs on serverside. Just my opinion...don't play the game either way so I don't know how annoying the bug is.

[Obvious]

Originally Posted by Snakeandy7

In other words, we didn't have any ETs/GPs/FAQs during there time period. We now do =].

Bef is the only person from Australia. >.>

[Obvious]

The thing is.. The issue really isn't the lag..
See.. 80% of the server is PKing.
Serverside scripts = causes you not to get hit (Server doesnt pick it up)
Clienside script = you get hit

[Sum41Freeeeek]

Yeah, if you ran diagnal, you are invincible, on serverside.

[Gman4pwnu]

Era definately wont last long, theres a guy with 200k, and wouldn't you know it he's friends with staff.... Kazuko...

[vahn32]

Originally Posted by Gman4pwnu

Era definately wont last long, theres a guy with 200k, and wouldn't you know it he's friends with staff.... Kazuko...

I talked to Velox, something's going to be done.
If Velox doesn't fix it, Snake will.
If Snake doesn't, well then I quit.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Sum41Freeeeek

Yeah, if you ran diagnal, you are invincible, on serverside.

Is that true on Zone? It uses serverside hit detection.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Gman4pwnu

Era definately wont last long, theres a guy with 200k, and wouldn't you know it he's friends with staff.... Kazuko...

Good thing only Snake and Rance are the only ones with the ability to give out random cash (which they do not partake in).

Kazuko is wealthy because he managed to take over three or four businesses legitimately. Perhaps you're jealous? Nevertheless you're implying staff show favoritism or that we are corrupt and it's totally inappropriate.

[vahn32]

Originally Posted by Chris

Good thing only Snake and Rance are the only ones with the ability to give out random cash (which they do not partake in).

Kazuko is wealthy because he managed to take over three or four businesses legitimately. Perhaps you're jealous? Nevertheless you're implying staff show favoritism or that we are corrupt and it's totally inappropriate.

I don't care if he's implying that staff are giving out money (Because I know they're not that stupid), but it's not good for the consumer if Kazuko owns 4 out of the... 6 or so businesses that exist. There needs to be some sort of regulation that makes it so that the consumer is protected and people can start new businesses to compete against each other, and not just 1 guy competeing with 2 others and himself.

[Gman4pwnu]

There can not be that much money legitimately on era at the moment...

[NemesisDev]

Kazuko made 18k from mining or some other method. From there he purchased Core Electronics. There he made enough money to purchase Speedy Pizza, Section Core, and Gun Point. G-Man all you do is complain and make assumptions. The most recent one I can think of was Angel stealing your scripts, right? Quit complaining about things you haven't even investigated.

Now back onto topic, I am very happy with the production this new management has made. I hope it continues this way and will be, as Velox put it, a new begining.

[Gman4pwnu]

way to kiss ass nemesis.

[Snakeandy7]

I gotta love Gman. You manage to say ****, and as soon as it comes straight back to the point you avoid it. Either way, we have new plans for businesses meaning he will need to pay 30k for all 3 businesses he owns. (He will not like it much). We might reduce the price of the idea, but it will probably be 10k per business a week. (Tax/Land/Electricity ect).
We're sorry about Kazuko dominating Era, we do not have another GMan on our staff team who gives out cash and items.

[xXDuMajuXx]

I gotta love Gman. You manage to say ****, and as soon as it comes straight back to the point you avoid it. Either way, we have new plans for businesses meaning he will need to pay 30k for all 3 businesses he owns. (He will not like it much). We might reduce the price of the idea, but it will probably be 10k per business a week. (Tax/Land/Electricity ect).
We're sorry about Kazuko dominating Era, we do not have another GMan on our staff team who gives out cash and items.

Well said.
Personally, I might give Era a chance now that SnakeAndy is in power. I've always expected good things from him, and good things have always came from him, so this shouldn't be any different.

[smurfmidgetninja]

Originally Posted by Snakeandy7

I gotta love Gman. You manage to say ****, and as soon as it comes straight back to the point you avoid it. Either way, we have new plans for businesses meaning he will need to pay 30k for all 3 businesses he owns. (He will not like it much). We might reduce the price of the idea, but it will probably be 10k per business a week. (Tax/Land/Electricity ect).
We're sorry about Kazuko dominating Era, we do not have another GMan on our staff team who gives out cash and items.

10k per week? You will run everyone out of buisness...there arnt enough players to supply buinesses besides maybe Guns/Ammo ones with that kind of cash....

[NemesisDev]

10k per week?

What about businsses like Auctioneer and Spar Moderator?

[Velox Cruentus]

Originally Posted by NemesisDev

10k per week?

What about businsses like Auctioneer and Spar Moderator?

PHP Code:

Time: Thu Mar 17 19:14:42 2005
Players - Total: 854 - Richest: NeoXed [234] - Average: 9x90
Bank - Total: 505563 - Richest: Storm_P2P2 [47220] - Average: 466x1084

Time: Thu Mar 17 22:05:21 2005
Players - Total: 119 - Richest: Eclectic [50] - Average: 2x47
Bank - Total: 508985 - Richest: Storm_P2P2 [47220] - Average: 468x1086

Time: Fri Mar 18 09:41:57 2005
Players - Total: 129 - Richest: robbazking [77] - Average: 2x49
Bank - Total: 515943 - Richest: Storm_P2P2 [47270] - Average: 472x1093

Time: Fri Mar 18 19:12:09 2005
Players - Total: 316 - Richest: ice_is_nice4 [125] - Average: 3x87
Bank - Total: 530689 - Richest: Storm_P2P2 [47490] - Average: 481x1103

Time: Sat Mar 19 21:08:20 2005
Players - Total: 1180 - Richest: bef [600] - Average: 12x96
Bank - Total: 546096 - Richest: Evil_Trunks [46050] - Average: 484x1128

Time: Wed Mar 23 18:27:22 2005
Players - Total: 5465 - Richest: NimbalotheSlayer [1614] - Average: 62x88
Bank - Total: 621879 - Richest: SnakeRekon_P2P [67919] - Average: 517x1202 


Today, it's
Era-NPCs (Server): BankValue: $703251 in 1231 bank accounts. 1231
Era-NPCs (Server): BankValue: Fatness Level - $571 per account.


Time: Thu Mar 17 19:14:42 2005
We're the 25th. 8 days has passed.

The server's money has increased 200K. I think that businesses can take the shock?

[LoadedSwift]

Originally Posted by Velox Cruentus

-insert list of things needed to be done-

Suggestion: Remove weight system. (Weighing down of items and the such)

[Rick]

Originally Posted by LoadedSwift

Suggestion: Remove weight system. (Weighing down of items and the such)

Suggestion: Carry a car on your back.