Political Relations and Trading Guidlines

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

We aren't talking about England, we are talking about ranks and positions within a graal kingdom. If you want a high rank, you do the work associated with that rank, both of which Zurk abandoned and his position was filled by active people.

I'm sorry, I abruptly ended that line because of some strange loop in my mind. What I ment to say was:
"And that someone who is English from nationality can be a Duke in France?"

Originally Posted by busyrobot

He claims he was never exiled, yet he had a refugee tag in another kingdom before getting kicked out of there too.

I doubt the choice of which rank or tag Zurkiba wanted was left to him. Someone gives him a rank, so if he wants to give him the rank of garbageman there isn't much Zurkiba can change about that.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

The only way Zurk could even consider getting away with this really dumb idea that he has aways been a Duke and never left is to have to have special rules apply to him - and there are none that do.

Could you be so kind to show me some text file or webpage with all rules? Because else, you don't have any evidence.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Hey, you were in Dustari a long time ago too - maybe this way its all everyone else's faults you were removed and you can claim you are still and always were in Dustari - its just everyone else that has been in error.

I never was removed.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

I'm sorry, I abruptly ended that line because of some strange loop in my mind. What I ment to say was:
"And that someone who is English from nationality can be a Duke in France?"

Perhaps, it would depend on the leading authorities on Dukes in France to decide that.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

I doubt the choice of which rank or tag Zurkiba wanted was left to him. Someone gives him a rank, so if he wants to give him the rank of garbageman there isn't much Zurkiba can change about that.

He did choose to join the other kingdom and adopt a new rank.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

Could you be so kind to show me some text file or webpage with all rules? Because else, you don't have any evidence.

Uh, you're joking right? Are you saying you believe if say, a Paladin is caught scamming and is kicked out of a kingdom, he can run around abusing a global tag to appear as a paladin and claim that everyone in his former kingdom is just 'roleplaying badly' and that he is still a member - that this would somehow be considered a good example of being part of a kingdom?

Originally Posted by GoZelda

I never was removed.

Well I don't recall that much about your time in Dustari, sorry if I was mistaken. You have to see how though, given Zurk's view that players cannot ever be removed from a kingdom, unless that player agrees to leave and later doesn't change his mind - that it is impossible to remove scammers, or demote people who don't carry out their rank's responsibilities. The irony is he likes to boast how as Erik he lead forest with an iron hand and kicked people out left and right that did anything out of line. Now he is saying its not ever possible to kick anyone out of any kingdom, for any reason.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Perhaps, it would depend on the leading authorities on Dukes in France to decide that

Probably not.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

He did choose to join the other kingdom and adopt a new rank.

So? I bet there are tons of examples out there of royalty and aristocraty who were forced out of their kingdom, got a job as officer or whatever in the army of someone else, and later returned to their kingdom with the same ranks.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Uh, you're joking right? Are you saying you believe if say, a Paladin is caught scamming and is kicked out of a kingdom, he can run around abusing a global tag to appear as a paladin and claim that everyone in his former kingdom is just 'roleplaying badly' and that he is still a member - that this would somehow be considered a good example of being part of a kingdom?

That's something quite different.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

You have to see how though, given Zurk's view that players cannot ever be removed from a kingdom, unless that player agrees to leave and later doesn't change his mind - that it is impossible to remove scammers, or demote people who don't carry out their rank's responsibilities. The irony is he likes to boast how as Erik he lead forest with an iron hand and kicked people out left and right that did anything out of line. Now he is saying its not ever possible to kick anyone out of any kingdom, for any reason.

That's different too. I don't think Zurk ever said he wasn't kicked out of Dustari, but that nobody took his title.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

That's different too. I don't think Zurk ever said he wasn't kicked out of Dustari, but that nobody took his title.

But his title was taken and we had Dukes who lead after him in the Borea area. His Grace the Duke of Borea Raziel Venmyr followed after Zurkiba as the reigning Duke of the Northern Lands.

Also, he is saying he was always a Duke and always a member, and still a Duke, and that it was everyone else who was wrong not to roleplay with him as if he was a member when he was clearly not and just abusing a global tag camped in the castle, against the objections of gk staff.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

But his title was taken and we had Dukes who lead after him in the Borea area. His Grace the Duke of Borea Raziel Venmyr followed after Zurkiba as the reigning Duke of the Northern Lands.

What was Zurkiba's exact title? Because else Raziel just took Zurk's duties. Also, why was he kicked and were his titles taken from him?

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

What was Zurkiba's exact title? Because else Raziel just took Zurk's duties. Also, why was he kicked and were his titles taken from him?

Zurk's exact title was 'Duke' and Raziel's exact title was 'Duke' and they ruled the same areas. We required Dukes to manage garrisons for their towns, and Zurk was long kicked out and not managing anything for anyone. We restructured the Duke lands into three major areas, centered around the three major towns.
At one point, while he was still not a member and not playing GK at all, on the forums he tried to give his lands (ic, as you can't give lands that are your character's away ooc) to Chris, leader of Forest. He was reminded that all lands of a kingdom are first and foremost the kingdom's lands, and that even if his title was still honored, which was long since derelict, transfer to a foreign power of the majority of lands in Dustari would never be tolerated.

I am curious how many celebrated 'war heros' try to transfer lands to foreign powers...it doesn't seem right to me - that must mean I am bad at roleplaying, since it makes perfect sense to Zurk.