Political Relations and Trading Guidlines

[LordZen]

Originally Posted by darkemporor

That's fairly rediculous too. Ed can twist and bend and break but if Graynt does, its bad in your view.

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He can edit Zormite's blacklist just the same. The issue was that it sounded as if he was trying to start a war because he didnt like how another kingdom was managing their own blacklist, which should be a sovreign right to each kingdom -- so I dont see how your example correlates (Since Graynt is not twisting or bending anything, its his response to Ed's actions which is the center of debate). And I'm still not clear as to whether it was Dustari's blacklist Graynt was mad at Dustari for, or Zormite's blacklist Graynt was mad at Dustari for.

Originally Posted by darkemporor

Dustari and Zormite leaders HAD an arrangement regarding respect of their blacklists. Of course, you couldn't be aware of this since you've been inactive over 2 years.

I am not sure if that was supposed to be a low blow or not. I'm not sure about how long its been exactly now, but someday somebody would be able to say the exact same about you, so what is the big deal? I have a special interest and perspective in this particular part of the Graal culture and community, why am I not allowed to continue to be interested in 2k2 Zormite happenings? Why dont you feel that I should be allowed to share my views on a public forum dedicated to the topic which I have special interest in??

Anyways, whats the point in keeping 2 seperate blacklists if each kingdom expected the other to blacklist everybody they blacklisted? As long as you understand that valid point I made than the issue is moot to me about whether or not an arrangement had been made. Logically the 2 kingdoms would have began to maintain a single mutual blacklist, failing to do that is asking for problems *points to present issue*. Thats all I was saying.

Originally Posted by darkemporor

What amazes me is that you're still trying to remotely lead this kingdom. It's not helpful and never has been.

What amazes me is that you actually believe yourself, and that somewhere along the road you started to dislike me, and I still havent figured out why. I did not judge you as being the ProjectShifter type: you hold grudges even after people appologize the best they can and try to burry the hatchet over and over. You just didnt like my input, ever, even when it was in private.

Look, I'm all for Graynt being Dictator. I was really pleased with his opening announcement, it gave me a stellar first impression, and I knew from then he was capable. His decision to break ties with Dustari so early on is a topic well worth examining, and I'm sure Graynt felt the same way (that its a topic well worth discussing) or else he wouldnt have made a open thread about it in this forum where he knew his position would more than likely be questioned by at least a few. Every good leader benefits from criticism, and from opinions from multiple points of view. Thats a lesson some people figure out....and others dont so much, Wren.

And I'm not trying to "remotely lead" anything, I just chime in when topics come up that I have strong feelings for, thats unfair to get pissed at me for that. You have to understand where I'm comming from.

[Debaglio]

Durime... do you even know what a catalyst is?

Your aid...... all of 2 members. nice. See you there... wait I forgot who this was written for. See you there for two seconds before you log for a week and a half.

Maybe you should check your misunderstood concepts and explore the buffer analogy... seems to make more sense for the concept you are trying to apply.

How about next week when your class gets to the explantion about Pangea you can talk about the kingdoms in that context and give us a nice explanation about how they formed, all mighty ROI.

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Debaglio

Durime... do you even know what a catalyst is?

Your aid...... all of 2 members. nice. See you there... wait I forgot who this was written for. See you there for two seconds before you log for a week and a half.

Who do you think you are...?

[Debaglio]

Well sir, If you would read my two chapters that I have posted this question you proposed would not have made its way to this tread.

Short and sweet.

Etien Debaglio
"head of NAPZ"
"forest member once spited by a selfish leader"
"apointed to NAPZ by Akira"
"chemist extrodinair"

no take"a" no crap"a" from no one"a"

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Debaglio

Well sir, If you would read my two chapters that I have posted this question you proposed would not have made its way to this tread.

Short and sweet.

Etien Debaglio
"head of NAPZ"
"forest member once spited by a selfish leader"
"apointed to NAPZ by Akira"
"chemist extrodinair"

no take"a" no crap"a" from no one"a"

Ok, what? Could you be coherent this time?

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by Debaglio

Durime... do you even know what a catalyst is?

Your aid...... all of 2 members. nice. See you there... wait I forgot who this was written for. See you there for two seconds before you log for a week and a half.

Maybe you should check your misunderstood concepts and explore the buffer analogy... seems to make more sense for the concept you are trying to apply.

How about next week when your class gets to the explantion about Pangea you can talk about the kingdoms in that context and give us a nice explanation about how they formed, all mighty ROI.

Wow, let's think IN CHARACTER for a moment. Forest is a huge, fertile island. Forest can send food to it's allies. Forest contains huge magical potential, and from an In-Character perspective, it has more than it's OOC members.

Wow, isn't it fun to think from a Roleplaying point of view as opposed to game mechanics?

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

Wow, let's think IN CHARACTER for a moment. Forest is a huge, fertile island. Forest can send food to it's allies. Forest contains huge magical potential, and from an In-Character perspective, it has more than it's OOC members.

Wow, isn't it fun to think from a Roleplaying point of view as opposed to game mechanics?

Forest probably has more then any other kingdom out there.

Forest isn't a colony of other kingdoms. It's a fully functional state which has been around for a long time. Longer then Dustari and Zormite.

As for actual IC Imaginary players
Dustari has a good bit, a lot of the citizenry died in Ackbar... but most left after Ackbar.

Zormite has few, The Zormite colony was a military outpost made so that the human kingdoms couldn't surpass them. More people would've stayed in the old lands then would've gone to the new lands.

Samurai has a few, same situation with the Zormites. They would've stayed behind.

Pirates, ARR... they left after Ackbar chasing the Dustarians.

Forest, always been there... had years of peace to grow.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

Wow, let's think IN CHARACTER for a moment. Forest is a huge, fertile island. Forest can send food to it's allies. Forest contains huge magical potential, and from an In-Character perspective, it has more than it's OOC members.

Wow, isn't it fun to think from a Roleplaying point of view as opposed to game mechanics?

It is fun to think from a roleplaying point of view over game mechanics, especially when the mechanics tend to be skewed and flawed.

I am curious though, how would you tend to resolve 'differences of opinion' in roleplayed conflicts?

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

It is fun to think from a roleplaying point of view over game mechanics, especially when the mechanics tend to be skewed and flawed.

I am curious though, how would you tend to resolve 'differences of opinion' in roleplayed conflicts?

RP Administrator.

Or a break dancing competition.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

Or a break dancing competition.

Oh you better bring it, cause its on.

I was thinking west side story dance off, but...How do you get an impartial RP Administrator? Or those whom stand to loose to abide by what they feel is a wrong RP Administrator? I am kinda pushing the topic only because I think it would be good to resolve it at some point, I think GK really suffers for a lack of how to do wars and conflicts in general.

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Oh you better bring it, cause its on.

I was thinking west side story dance off, but...How do you get an impartial RP Administrator? Or those whom stand to loose to abide by what they feel is a wrong RP Administrator? I am kinda pushing the topic only because I think it would be good to resolve it at some point, I think GK really suffers for a lack of how to do wars and conflicts in general.

You get Stefan to finally appoint an RP Admin.

Like he should have done when the server went public.

Even if they're only job is to say- yes, that can happen or no that can't.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by LordZen

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He can edit Zormite's blacklist just the same. The issue was that it sounded as if he was trying to start a war because he didnt like how another kingdom was managing their own blacklist, which should be a sovreign right to each kingdom -- so I dont see how your example correlates (Since Graynt is not twisting or bending anything, its his response to Ed's actions which is the center of debate). And I'm still not clear as to whether it was Dustari's blacklist Graynt was mad at Dustari for, or Zormite's blacklist Graynt was mad at Dustari for.

Sorry Zen, its just Zurk's history with Zormite that I think is causing the main stife. Not anything to do with any blacklists. Personally I wouldn't go to war over the fellow, but I understand why it bothers Zormite so much that he is in Dustari.

Originally Posted by LordZen

What amazes me is that you actually believe yourself, and that somewhere along the road you started to dislike me, and I still havent figured out why. I did not judge you as being the ProjectShifter type: you hold grudges even after people appologize the best they can and try to burry the hatchet over and over. You just didnt like my input, ever, even when it was in private.

In Wren's defense, you can at times have a bit of 'anxious father syndome' when it comes to Zormite, and I don't think there is any dislike - just its a bit frustrating when you get anxious over some of the smaller changes. I don't think there is any PSing going on.

Originally Posted by LordZen

Look, I'm all for Graynt being Dictator. I was really pleased with his opening announcement, it gave me a stellar first impression, and I knew from then he was capable. His decision to break ties with Dustari so early on is a topic well worth examining, and I'm sure Graynt felt the same way (that its a topic well worth discussing) or else he wouldnt have made a open thread about it in this forum where he knew his position would more than likely be questioned by at least a few. Every good leader benefits from criticism, and from opinions from multiple points of view. Thats a lesson some people figure out....and others dont so much, Wren.

And I'm not trying to "remotely lead" anything, I just chime in when topics come up that I have strong feelings for, thats unfair to get pissed at me for that. You have to understand where I'm comming from.

I just think Zen, sometimes you jump the gun and assume the worst. For instance, this affair has nothing to do with the blacklist, its about Zurk's actions in the past and recent present towards Zormite and many people in Dustari.
I still think its fair to critisize Zormite, but you should find out and understand the details before jumping to conclusions.