GS1 VS GS2 (Split from Domination thread)

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by falco10291029

No, you'd state what you think and they'd correct you. Then you come away knowing something

So why haven't you done this?

It was meant for those who know what bias is

Do you know what 'recursive' means? Do you not understand that a recursive definition of the type you gave is as useless as it is tautological? Would you consider the sentence "an apple is an apple" particularly helpful?

I thought you mean argumentive flaws, not grammar errors....

Well, that is a strange perception. We were talking about use of English at the time, after all.

but to counter: "Do you think you know more about the language than me?" Do you think that you...

Not an error at all. The 'that' is optional. Apparently you agree:
"Saying ___ you have a bias towards something"
"I will point out any like errors ___ you've made"
"i do not think ___ we can get much more out of this argument"

Most people will know what i mean, and such a fault is made by everyone constantly:
"But the assumption that I did anything stupid is born from arrogance."

Huh? How is that the same? You referred to faults possessed by arrogance, while I merely referred to the fault that is arrogance.

(if arrogance doesn't have faults, it doesn't give birth either)

But that's an inaccurate (and overly literal) interpretation. To be born from X is simply to occur as a result of X. It doesn't say anything about the actual act of childbirth.

[falco10291029]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

So why haven't you done this?

Because one would trust a physicist's words, knowing that they have no real knowledge that could surpass the physicist's, since a physicist will have evidence of their superior knowledge on that subject. You however have not shown any evidence that your interpretation is founded by an expertry in langauge.

Do you know what 'recursive' means? Do you not understand that a recursive definition of the type you gave is as useless as it is tautological? Would you consider the sentence "an apple is an apple" particularly helpful?

Alright, then i will redefine myself as saying Being biased towards x is Treating x differently than someone with which no bias has been formed.

Well, that is a strange perception. We were talking about use of English at the time, after all.

Maybe not even argumentive. But a grammarical flaw has nothing to do with definitions.

Not an error at all. The 'that' is optional. Apparently you agree:
"Saying ___ you have a bias towards something"
"I will point out any like errors ___ you've made"
"i do not think ___ we can get much more out of this argument"

I am not exactly sure how it's categorized, but the mistake you showed is hardly considered one in common grammar.


[quote
Huh? How is that the same? You referred to faults possessed by arrogance, while I merely referred to the fault that is arrogance.[/quote] I wasn't saying arrogance would have faults, i was saying it would cause them (or rather that it didn't). My interpretation of yours is the same type of flaw in finding a mistake, and unimportant anyway.

But that's an inaccurate (and overly literal) interpretation. To be born from X is simply to occur as a result of X. It doesn't say anything about the actual act of childbirth.

See above.

[Darlene159]

lol, you two went from debating scripting language to who is better at grammar
Anyway, moved to Graal main forum, apologies....

[falco10291029]

That's how our arguments almost always work.

[falco10291029]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

'Towards' can only be equivalent to 'regarding' if you stretch your definitions to breaking point. Needless to say, good communication does not revolve around this process.

My point is that you can.

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Well, the two mispellings alone make it quite funny. But mostly because you would need to hang out with gophers in order to achieve that condition.

Dude, stop being such a damned hypocrite. You constantly say I am arrgoant, putitng myself above you, and you go and do the EXACt same thing. The fact that I am in PDM alone says I am not a complete ***** (PDM is a senior class, im a sophmore), I got a 29 on my ACT wothout having time to finish every problem (about five blank on each subject, I didn't keep time well enough). If needbe I can scan and show pictures to prove this. But I don;t want to. I am considered one of the smartest in my school by my peers (not in this forum). TO me, that is enough alone to prove myself. Of cours,e you can't come here and interview everyone i know, but if you did, well, let's just say you'd feel like a total ass.

In that people will understand you, yeah. But it's still an example of a lack of knowledge.

I know what the correct use is, I choose not to use it, that shows nothing pertaining to lack of knowledge. For one needing proofs for eveything, you sure stretch wehat one is for yourself.

Gah! Do you never listen? The word 'your' denotes ownership or possession of characteristics. True or false?

True.

True or false, the phrase beat it means leave, having nothing to do with the definition of the words used.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by falco10291029

My point is that you can

I can also reinterpret it to mean a dozen other things. But should I? If you do not speak in a manner that is compliant with standard English, you cannot expect others to know what you are saying.

Dude, stop being such a damned hypocrite. You constantly say I am arrgoant, putitng myself above you, and you go and do the EXACt same thing

It's only arrogance if it's not accurate. I am above you, in every way that's relevant.

The fact that I am in PDM alone says I am not a complete ***** (PDM is a senior class, im a sophmore), I got a 29 on my ACT wothout having time to finish every problem [etc]

Congratulations! But none of this means anything to me. I do not even know what an 'ACT' is. All I can use to judge you is the behaviour I witnessed.

I know what the correct use is, I choose not to use it

Why would you do that?

True

And when you use the word 'of' to contrast a previous use of the word 'your', you must be using it to describe the same kind of relationship. ie: Ownership, possession.

[falco10291029]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

I can also reinterpret it to mean a dozen other things. But should I? If you do not speak in a manner that is compliant with standard English, you cannot expect others to know what you are saying.

Well i wasn't aware of the more common usage, I'll admit.

It's only arrogance if it's not accurate. I am above you, in every way that's relevant.

It's arrogance whether true or not.

Originally Posted by Dictionary.com

arrogance

n : overbearing pride evidenced by a superior manner toward inferiors

Let me see....hmm...nothing about whether true or not.......

Congratulations! But none of this means anything to me. I do not even know what an 'ACT' is. All I can use to judge you is the behaviour I witnessed.

ACT
is the most commonly used standarized test we have here. And if you are going to judge on behavior, well as I have explained that is very misleading.

Why would you do that?

I don't like it as much, and the way i like is acceptable in common use. I care not if I am going by "perfect" grammar.

And when you use the word 'of' to contrast a previous use of the word 'your', you must be using it to describe the same kind of relationship. ie: Ownership, possession.

Yes, but you did not answer my point after that. You have said yourself that this is bad argument skills (I am not looking it up, if you dont remember saying it blame your own memory)

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by falco10291029

It's arrogance whether true or not

Not if the situation actually calls for such comparisons.

And, in addition, not if the statement of superiority doesn't imply any particularly elite state. If you were to claim that you were more intelligent than a cat, for example, I would not call it a symptom of pride; it is simply a true statement.

ACT
is the most commonly used standarized test we have here. And if you are going to judge on behavior, well as I have explained that is very misleading

It's not perfect, but would accepting your claims be a more reliable method?

I don't like it as much

Would that not justify pretty much any mistake? Like confusing 'your' with 'you're'? What if they prefer an incorrect version? Why do you prefer to make that particular error?

Yes, but you did not answer my point after that. You have said yourself that this is bad argument skills

Untrue. If you intend to make such accusations in the future, please come equipped with a suitable quote.

Anyway, I ignored your point partly because I had difficulty deciphering it and partly because it didn't appear to say anything relevant to the debate. Now you are ignoring mine. Why?

[falco10291029]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Not if the situation actually calls for such comparisons.

And, in addition, not if the statement of superiority doesn't imply any particularly elite state. If you were to claim that you were more intelligent than a cat, for example, I would not call it a symptom of pride; it is simply a true statement.

No, the definition doesn't change just because you want it to. Afraid the english langauge doesn't work like that. Arrogance is not reliant at all on truth. As for the cat thing, most people are able to tell the difference between a factual claim and arrogance.

It's not perfect, but would accepting your claims be a more reliable method?

The best method is to not form an opinion or at least not live by it.

Would that not justify pretty much any mistake? Like confusing 'your' with 'you're'? What if they prefer an incorrect version? Why do you prefer to make that particular error?

Because it isn't really acceptable in common usage.

Untrue. If you intend to make such accusations in the future, please come equipped with a suitable quote.

I'm sure anyone who has seen most of your arguments already know, so I care not if i prove it to you

Anyway, I ignored your point partly because I had difficulty deciphering it and partly because it didn't appear to say anything relevant to the debate. Now you are ignoring mine. Why?

My point was that a phrase's meaning sometimes has nothing to do with the individual words.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by falco10291029

Arrogance is not reliant at all on truth

If a person accurately claims to be superior to another, it may simply be an on-topic, factual statement.
If a person falsely claims to be superior to another, it is indicative of pride (undue in this case), and can be an example of arrogance.

See how the truth value of the claim can modify the applicability of the label?

most people are able to tell the difference between a factual claim and arrogance

Can you provide a universal method or is it just a matter of 'whatever falco thinks is right'?

The best method is to not form an opinion or at least not live by it

How is that better? And do you never act on provisional assumptions/beliefs?

Because it isn't really acceptable in common usage

Haha. What? The correct version isn't acceptable? I have never been challenged for using it.

I'm sure anyone who has seen most of your arguments already know

They already know the contents of a private conversation?

My point was that a phrase's meaning sometimes has nothing to do with the individual words.

Yeah. And it's utterly irrelevant. If you use 'of' to contrast a 'your', you are implicitly using it to speak of possession. Otherwise it doesn't make sense.

[falco10291029]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

If a person accurately claims to be superior to another, it may simply be an on-topic, factual statement.
If a person falsely claims to be superior to another, it is indicative of pride (undue in this case), and can be an example of arrogance.

See how the truth value of the claim can modify the applicability of the label?

Yes, it could, but in your case, it was obviously arrogance. Just because something is true (and we'll assume yours was just for this point) does not necessarily mean it can't be arrogance. In your case, I think that the arrogance was fairly obvious.

Can you provide a universal method or is it just a matter of 'whatever falco thinks is right'?

Neither, Most people can tell which is which. There are certain things that measure whether it is or isn't, which I do not wish to get into.

How is that better? And do you never act on provisional assumptions/beliefs?

It's better because there is no risk of false belief. I'm not saying I never do, I'm saying that it's the best method not to.

Haha. What? The correct version isn't acceptable? I have never been challenged for using it.

no...I mean in the your you're case, in which they prefer the incorrect one...

They already know the contents of a private conversation?

Private? You state it in every other agument! Plus you HAVE said in private AIM sessions that it is (I was arguing whther not responding to a whole post was the same as that which you called bad arguing; ignoring certain points)

[/quote]
Yeah. And it's utterly irrelevant. If you use 'of' to contrast a 'your', you are implicitly using it to speak of possession. Otherwise it doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE]I suppose this matter isn't important, and i can see that your stubborness blinds you from the truth here. Even when you are wrong, you defend it with "No, it isn't" until death, i swear.....

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by falco10291029

Yes, it could, but in your case, it was obviously arrogance. Just because something is true (and we'll assume yours was just for this point) does not necessarily mean it can't be arrogance

Nor did I claim otherwise. However, the context actually demanded a comparison, and it is not arrogant to comply.

I think that the arrogance was fairly obvious

Do you have any actual arguments, or are you just gonna keep telling me what you think?

There are certain things that measure whether it is or isn't, which I do not wish to get into

I think this answers my question.

It's better because there is no risk of false belief

So? Tell me, what is the purpose of beliefs/working assumptions? And can you show that they don't meet this purpose?

I'm not saying I never do

Why do you do it if you think it is sub-optimal?

no...I mean in the your you're case, in which they prefer the incorrect one...

Okay. But I asked you a different question: Why do you prefer to use 'was' at inappropriate times?

Private? You state it in every other agument!

Then I cannot see why it would be so difficult to find a single example.

Plus you HAVE said in private AIM sessions that it is (I was arguing whther not responding to a whole post was the same as that which you called bad arguing; ignoring certain points)

Then provide a quote. It is possible that I have said something similar, but your mind has warped it to fit the circumstance.

I suppose this matter isn't important, and i can see that your stubborness blinds you from the truth here

Once more, empty assertions. They don't win you anything, dude. Anybody can scream about how "EVERYBODY ELSE IS DUMB, ONLY I CAN SEE TEH TRUTH", but it doesn't tend to be persuasive.

[falco10291029]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Nor did I claim otherwise. However, the context actually demanded a comparison, and it is not arrogant to comply.

But you did so in an arrogant way

Do you have any actual arguments, or are you just gonna keep telling me what you think?

Do you have any actual arguments, or are you going to keep asking me stupid questions about additional comments added that have nothing to do with the argument?

I think this answers my question.

The answer is neither. If you didn't get that (and I know you didn't) it shows even further the bias you put into your arguments. I made no indication that I made any of this up, and quite frankly there are things that everyone takes into consideration when judging for arrogance.

So? Tell me, what is the purpose of beliefs/working assumptions? And can you show that they don't meet this purpose?

They cause falsely lead biases towards someone, which as yo have shown greatly flaw your arguments because of a mindset that you cannot lose against such a person. This causes stubborness and uncertainty in your arguments along with the famed "No I;m right, you are wrong".

Why do you do it if you think it is sub-optimal?

I try not to, and I do let it influence me less than most people do. However in extreme cases i am unable to help myself.

Okay. But I asked you a different question: Why do you prefer to use 'was' at inappropriate times?

I like the sound better, simple as that.

Then I cannot see why it would be so difficult to find a single example.

Because I don't wish to look for it. Your arguments usdualyl encompass many pages and it is usually one post in there. I don't wish to root through them to satisfy you.

Then provide a quote. It is possible that I have said something similar, but your mind has warped it to fit the circumstance.

I can't provide an exact quote, but the conversation went something like:

me: he ignored the post, isn't that bad arguing skills according to you?

you: No, ignoring individual responses is a bad argument skill. Ignoring a post may be due to tiring of that argument.

Once more, empty assertions. They don't win you anything, dude. Anybody can scream about how "EVERYBODY ELSE IS DUMB, ONLY I CAN SEE TEH TRUTH", but it doesn't tend to be persuasive.

Before saying something like this, quit doing the same thing yourself. Hypocrite....

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by falco10291029

But you did so in an arrogant way

NO, U DID.

Seriously, man. It gets boring after a while.

Do you have any actual arguments, or are you going to keep asking me stupid questions about additional comments

Haha. Dude, if you try to make some kind of point and it doesn't happen to be admissable, I'm gonna say so. Solution: Don't make 'points' that're just statements of opinion.

I made no indication that I made any of this up, and quite frankly there are things that everyone takes into consideration when judging for arrogance

Perhaps so. But you haven't shown that they would incriminate me any more than you. All you've done is repeatedly state your opinion.

They cause falsely lead biases towards someone

No, I asked for their purpose. That is not their purpose.

as yo have shown greatly flaw your arguments because of a mindset that you cannot lose against such a person. This causes stubborness and uncertainty in your arguments along with the famed "No I;m right, you are wrong"

Gahaha.

Am I stubborn because I think you're wrong? Then why doesn't the same apply to you?
What uncertainty in my arguments?
And dude, you cannot make accusations like that after saying "your stubborness blinds you from the truth". You think you're right, I think I'm right. What's the difference? Stop being so hypocritical.

I try not to, and I do let it influence me less than most people do. However in extreme cases i am unable to help myself

"extreme cases", huh? Are these rare, then?

The reality is that nobody can function as a normal human being without belief. You need to believe that the sun will rise, that gravity will keep us glued to the floor, that speeding cars can hurt us. We believe these things because, assuming certain axioms, they conform to our experiences and increase our chances of acting in an efficient manner.

Your arguments are essentially that we should ignore everything that we see or learn. Perhaps this explains quite a lot.

I like the sound better, simple as that

Mm-hm. Would you accept that excuse, if you were in my situation? I mean, it's basically universally applicable. At what point do you conclude that the person is lying?

Because I don't wish to look for it. Your arguments usdualyl encompass many pages and it is usually one post in there. I don't wish to root through them to satisfy you

Well, it's not just to satisfy me. It's to turn your post from an empty accusation into a valid point.

I can't provide an exact quote, but the conversation went something like:

me: he ignored the post, isn't that bad arguing skills according to you?
you: No, ignoring individual responses is a bad argument skill. Ignoring a post may be due to tiring of that argument

As I recall, it went like this:

me: Hey Falco, why do you always accuse people of saying stupid things on the forums?
you: BC I CANT THIKN OF NE GOOD POINTS

I WIN!

Before saying something like this, quit doing the same thing yourself. Hypocrite....

Before saying something like this, show that your opponent is actually doing it.

[Soul-Blade]

Falco, just to let you know (as I am a neutral bystander), your arguements are flawed and anything you have said countering Kaimetsu has been idiotic. I would advise stopping all activites conflicting with Kaimetsu. You will end up in a state of illusion, thinking you won the debate. You haven't won. You make yourself look like a *****. Once again I advise you to cease this activity, admit defeat, and learn.