Its Time We Take A Stand

[dNeonb]

On Graal Kingdoms we have a class called "Thief". If we'd make scamming illegal then this class would have nothing to do. For Staffs is scamming illegal. You need to know what people you can truest and who not. Like Lance said this is no GraalOnline's business what people do with their items and what not.

The kingdoms, there players are in can say it is illegal but then they have to do something and not the staff. Scamming is a kind of RP but if noone wants to RP it won't work.

Handle scamming is no job of the Policeguys on GK becasue scamming is legal, and maybe staff cares about it but can not do something because it is illegal.

By the way, if you have a problem with Zero Hour as staffmember of this server then don't talk about it here. Talk to Lance or me in eMail, Forum PM or game PM. Maybe Stefan if you want. But the forum is not the correct place for it.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by dNeonb

On Graal Kingdoms we have a class called "Thief". If we'd make scamming illegal then this class would have nothing to do

Yes they would; they could fight monsters and level up just like anybody else. Their class may not be as developed as others, but players should not be made to suffer just because the game's design is incomplete.

Anyway, that argument wouldn't stop us making it illegal for all the other classes. And how many people are actually thieves?

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by dNeonb

On Graal Kingdoms we have a class called "Thief".

On Graal kingdoms we have classes called 'Wizard' and 'Priest'. If magic would be disabled in certain important places these classes would have nothing to do.

Oh, wait.

[dNeonb]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Anyway, that argument wouldn't stop us making it illegal for all the other classes. And how many people are actually thieves?

I have no idea how much thieves there are. And yes, it won't stop making it illegal. But it still is a small reason to keep it legal.
Everyone wants to level up but they used to be thieves because they want to scamm.



But nothing can stop scamming as long as you can drop the stuff on the ground. We added the tradetables and people still didn't use them to trade. They droped their mith, warhammers and other stuff on the ground. So even such a timething that would take to items back won't help. Maybe reduce it but not end it like Gambet said. Every time there will be people who don't use it (see tradetables). Don't tell me now to disallow dropping stuff on the ground, that would just be stupid.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

If magic would be disabled in certain important places these classes would have nothing to do.

What do you define as "important places"? The traderooms on Main? No. There you can trade your stuff and it's not there to cast lots of spells and lagg the room where people want to trade.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by dNeonb

nothing can stop scamming as long as you can drop the stuff on the ground

Relevance? How is that an argument for keeping it legal? Should the government also legalise killing people, because it can't be stopped?

And how is it an argument against making additional safeguards?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Relevance? How is that an argument for keeping it legal? Should the government also legalise killing people, because it can't be stopped?

And how is it an argument against making additional safeguards?

Scenery in traderoom: Mr. X asks buddy Joe to let him use his HSoD for 10 minutes. Joe agrees and give him his shield by using tradetable.
After 10 minutes Joe asks for his HSoD. Mr.X says: Hey Joe you gave it to me for free! Dont bother me, it´s mine!
This kind of scam happens all days.
Now my question: what shall happen in this case?
I don´t think you believe staff can watch all time all trades and if there are witnesses we need big codes of law, courts, judges and so on.

Learn to be careful and see who is trustworthy, i think thats the easier way to prevent scam.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Schlurfy

Scenery in traderoom: Mr. X asks buddy Joe to let him use his HSoD for 10 minutes. Joe agrees and give him his shield by using tradetable.
After 10 minutes Joe asks for his HSoD. Mr.X says: Hey Joe you gave it to me for free! Dont bother me, it´s mine!
This kind of scam happens all days.
Now my question: what shall happen in this case?
I don´t think you believe staff can watch all time all trades and if there are witnesses we need big codes of law, courts, judges and so on.

Learn to be careful and see who is trustworthy, i think thats the easier way to prevent scam.

Did you by any chance read what I suggested? OBVIOUSLY NOT.

WHY THE HECK ARE ALL OF YOU GK STAFF POSTING IN THIS THREAD WITHOUT READING WHAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED? THIS EXACTLY PROVES WHAT EVERYONE SAYS WHEN THEY SAY THE STAFF JUST DONT CARE ANYMORE.

Geez .

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Did you by any chance read what I suggested? OBVIOUSLY NOT.

WHY THE HECK ARE ALL OF YOU GK STAFF POSTING IN THIS THREAD WITHOUT READING WHAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED? THIS EXACTLY PROVES WHAT EVERYONE SAYS WHEN THEY SAY THE STAFF JUST DONT CARE ANYMORE.

Geez .

I directly answered to the quoted thread. Your suggestion was noticed, but I dont think that the game will be written new for that. If you give somebody your stuff, you have to count on that he wont give it back. It is a calculated risk and part of this game. Live with it or not.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Did you by any chance read what I suggested? OBVIOUSLY NOT.

WHY THE HECK ARE ALL OF YOU GK STAFF POSTING IN THIS THREAD WITHOUT READING WHAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED? THIS EXACTLY PROVES WHAT EVERYONE SAYS WHEN THEY SAY THE STAFF JUST DONT CARE ANYMORE.

Geez .

Well, I can claim that this exactly proves that your ancestry consists primarily of farm animals, but I do not think either claim has much merit to it.

Also, I fear there may be something wrong with your caps lock key.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Schlurfy

Scenery in traderoom: Mr. X asks buddy Joe to let him use his HSoD for 10 minutes. Joe agrees and give him his shield by using tradetable.
After 10 minutes Joe asks for his HSoD. Mr.X says: Hey Joe you gave it to me for free! Dont bother me, it´s mine!
This kind of scam happens all days.

How is this relevant to what I posted?

[WanDaMan]

Graal Kingdoms story line pretty much sucks by the looks of things.

Edit for Crono:

Thieves scamming should be made legal

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

How is this relevant to what I posted?

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Relevance? How is that an argument for keeping it legal? Should the government also legalise killing people, because it can't be stopped?

And how is it an argument against making additional safeguards?

Originally Posted by Schlurfy

.....Now my question: what shall happen in this case?
I don´t think you believe staff can watch all time all trades and if there are witnesses we need big codes of law, courts, judges and so on.

Learn to be careful and see who is trustworthy, i think thats the easier way to prevent scam.

You dont see the relevance? I do. But myabe I missunderstood you.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Schlurfy

myabe I missunderstood you.

Presumably.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by dNeonb

it's not there to cast lots of spells and lagg the room where people want to trade.

But it is their to be, as a mage or priest, harrassed by barbarians who won't allow you to trade if you're in B-mode and can PK the hell out of you because you can't defend yourself?

[XGoLink]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

But it is their to be, as a mage or priest, harrassed by barbarians who won't allow you to trade if you're in B-mode and can PK the hell out of you because you can't defend yourself?

Pking in trade just shouldnt be allowed..