Its Time We Take A Stand

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

We don't have a magical wand we can wave to enstate these measures, and even if we did - what gurantees they would work? I haven't actually read them, but I doubt they would work because you don't have much experience in the matters... and I somehow doubt you're another Confucius.

You havnt even read my suggestion and you're here rambling about things you have no clue of? How very wise of you.

Its amazing how someone could talk so much smack in a thread and not even know what has been said in the thread. This would be considered bashing, would it not? Either way, you are not doing a very good job at it


Lance...

Just read what I wrote in the post right above yours...it says everything.

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Even More Stuff

I'm very aware of how scamming works, which is what I'm discussing. I'm not discussing your method of prevention. Watch your wee little tongue, or I will pry it from your mouth and wear is as a neck tie.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

I'm very aware of how scamming works, which is what I'm discussing. I'm not discussing your method of prevention. Watch your wee little tongue, or I will pry it from your mouth and wear is as a neck tie.

Now you make threats? What type of role model are you exactly? Its amazing how some of the staff, which represent the server, act.

ZH, this has nothing to do with how scamming works, it has to do with a method to prevent it, which is what we people want.

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Now you make threats?

Threats? Eek, where? I simply said I would borrow your (wee) tongue for an undefined period of time and wear it as a neck tie!

What type of role model are you exactly?

I wasn't aware that I was one, but if I am one; I am a poor role model! (just ask my parents)

Its amazing how some of the staff, which represent the server, act.

Honestly, I know... just look at that mean Vlad.

ZH, this has nothing to do with how scamming works, it has to do with a method to prevent it, which is what we people want.

Ah, my appologies, I was under the impression that this thread was about scamming.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

Threats? Eek, where? I simply said I would borrow your (wee) tongue for an undefined period of time and wear it as a neck tie!

I wasn't aware that I was one, but if I am one; I am a poor role model! (just ask my parents)

Honestly, I know... just look at that mean Vlad.

Ah, my appologies, I was under the impression that this thread was about scamming.

The top portion describes the scamming situation, the bottom portion is an idea on how to prevent it, which is what the players want.

Give us a way to be able to lend items without having to be worried about being scammed, and we wouldnt have all of these problems.

Is it so much to ask for something like this? Geez. Do you guys even care about the players happiness/comfort on the server?

[dNeonb]

On Graal Kingdoms we have a class called "Thief". If we'd make scamming illegal then this class would have nothing to do. For Staffs is scamming illegal. You need to know what people you can truest and who not. Like Lance said this is no GraalOnline's business what people do with their items and what not.

The kingdoms, there players are in can say it is illegal but then they have to do something and not the staff. Scamming is a kind of RP but if noone wants to RP it won't work.

Handle scamming is no job of the Policeguys on GK becasue scamming is legal, and maybe staff cares about it but can not do something because it is illegal.

By the way, if you have a problem with Zero Hour as staffmember of this server then don't talk about it here. Talk to Lance or me in eMail, Forum PM or game PM. Maybe Stefan if you want. But the forum is not the correct place for it.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by dNeonb

On Graal Kingdoms we have a class called "Thief". If we'd make scamming illegal then this class would have nothing to do

Yes they would; they could fight monsters and level up just like anybody else. Their class may not be as developed as others, but players should not be made to suffer just because the game's design is incomplete.

Anyway, that argument wouldn't stop us making it illegal for all the other classes. And how many people are actually thieves?

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by dNeonb

On Graal Kingdoms we have a class called "Thief".

On Graal kingdoms we have classes called 'Wizard' and 'Priest'. If magic would be disabled in certain important places these classes would have nothing to do.

Oh, wait.

[dNeonb]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Anyway, that argument wouldn't stop us making it illegal for all the other classes. And how many people are actually thieves?

I have no idea how much thieves there are. And yes, it won't stop making it illegal. But it still is a small reason to keep it legal.
Everyone wants to level up but they used to be thieves because they want to scamm.



But nothing can stop scamming as long as you can drop the stuff on the ground. We added the tradetables and people still didn't use them to trade. They droped their mith, warhammers and other stuff on the ground. So even such a timething that would take to items back won't help. Maybe reduce it but not end it like Gambet said. Every time there will be people who don't use it (see tradetables). Don't tell me now to disallow dropping stuff on the ground, that would just be stupid.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

If magic would be disabled in certain important places these classes would have nothing to do.

What do you define as "important places"? The traderooms on Main? No. There you can trade your stuff and it's not there to cast lots of spells and lagg the room where people want to trade.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by dNeonb

nothing can stop scamming as long as you can drop the stuff on the ground

Relevance? How is that an argument for keeping it legal? Should the government also legalise killing people, because it can't be stopped?

And how is it an argument against making additional safeguards?

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by dNeonb

it's not there to cast lots of spells and lagg the room where people want to trade.

But it is their to be, as a mage or priest, harrassed by barbarians who won't allow you to trade if you're in B-mode and can PK the hell out of you because you can't defend yourself?