Its Time We Take A Stand

[Gambet]

Lance, stop saying the same thing over and over again. Thats all you did, repeat yourself.

Look...

The fact that scamming is possible is enough reason to create a non scammable way of trading.

If these trading tables were made, then I am 100% sure that those who know about it will in fact use it while lending items. Those who dont, well, its their faults if anything happens.

Currently, theres no way to prevent it, which should be more then enough reason to create something that does prevent it.

Stop calling people idiots for getting scammed, you just dont understand.

Heres an example:

Bob and Henry have been friends for 3 years on Graal now. Bob and Henry do everything together on Graal, and both have clean records and are not known for doing anything wrong. One day, Bob gets a lot of good items on GK, and Henry is jealous. Henry asks Bob to lend him some items, and well, they have been friends for 3 years and are very good friends, so Bob trusts Henry and gives him some items. Next thing you know, Bob never sees those items again....Henry has just scammed him.

Stop calling those who are getting scammed idiots and take it as a way to create something to prevent these things.

You staff really amaze me....honestly....

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Gambet

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I just wish I could justify banning him, only so we wouldn't have to see him repeatedly be ignorant.

Everytime someone repeats theirself it seems that you turn to that cursed quote of yours. Just because they're repeating themself doesn't mean they have nothing to say, infact - if they're repeating theirself they likely have something very important to say, and you're just missing it. It's a shame those people have to suffer to repeat themself to ignorant eyes.

The point is very clear, Gambet. If Bob, or Evan, or whatever his stupid name is, gets jealous THAT easily than you haven't discussed each other's opinions, and ideals enough to see that, and he is not your friend. Use your own methods to test trust. When you go swimming do you put a toe or a finger in the water, first, or do you cannon ball in? If you cannon ball in, and find flesh-melting tempratures too hot it's not the water's fault... it's yours.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

I just wish I could justify banning him, only so we wouldn't have to see him repeatedly be ignorant.

Everytime someone repeats theirself it seems that you turn to that cursed quote of yours. Just because they're repeating themself doesn't mean they have nothing to say, infact - if they're repeating theirself they likely have something very important to say, and you're just missing it. It's a shame those people have to suffer to repeat themself to ignorant eyes.

The point is very clear, Gambet. If Bob, or Evan, or whatever his stupid name is, gets jealous THAT easily than you haven't discussed each other's opinions, and ideals enough to see that, and he is not your friend. Use your own methods to test trust. When you go swimming do you put a toe or a finger in the water, first, or do you cannon ball in? If you cannon ball in, and find flesh-melting tempratures too hot it's not the water's fault... it's yours.

THIS IS WHAT YOU ALL FAIL TO UNDERSTAND..


All you say is "Its your fault"...well...yes, its there fault, BUT CREATING SOMETHING LIKE I SUGGESTED WOULD END SCAMMING.

Give the players a way to lend items without worrying about being scammed, and the problems will be solved.

All you're doing now is sitting back, ridiculing the players, and saying its their fault. I agree, it is their fault, but why is it so hard to do something like I have suggested?

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Gambet

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We don't have a magical wand we can wave to enstate these measures, and even if we did - what gurantees they would work? I haven't actually read them, but I doubt they would work because you don't have much experience in the matters... and I somehow doubt you're another Confucius.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

We don't have a magical wand we can wave to enstate these measures, and even if we did - what gurantees they would work? I haven't actually read them, but I doubt they would work because you don't have much experience in the matters... and I somehow doubt you're another Confucius.

You havnt even read my suggestion and you're here rambling about things you have no clue of? How very wise of you.

Its amazing how someone could talk so much smack in a thread and not even know what has been said in the thread. This would be considered bashing, would it not? Either way, you are not doing a very good job at it


Lance...

Just read what I wrote in the post right above yours...it says everything.

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Gambet

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I'm very aware of how scamming works, which is what I'm discussing. I'm not discussing your method of prevention. Watch your wee little tongue, or I will pry it from your mouth and wear is as a neck tie.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

I'm very aware of how scamming works, which is what I'm discussing. I'm not discussing your method of prevention. Watch your wee little tongue, or I will pry it from your mouth and wear is as a neck tie.

Now you make threats? What type of role model are you exactly? Its amazing how some of the staff, which represent the server, act.

ZH, this has nothing to do with how scamming works, it has to do with a method to prevent it, which is what we people want.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Gambet

THIS IS WHAT YOU ALL FAIL TO UNDERSTAND..


All you say is "Its your fault"...well...yes, its there fault, BUT CREATING SOMETHING LIKE I SUGGESTED WOULD END SCAMMING.

Give the players a way to lend items without worrying about being scammed, and the problems will be solved.

Originally Posted by Gambet

If these trading tables were made, then I am 100% sure that those who know about it will in fact use it while lending items. Those who dont, well, its their faults if anything happens.

Which is it?

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Lance

Which is it?

I didnt think it was hard to understand.


What I meant:

Those who use the new trading tables I suggested wouldnt have to worry about being scammed, but those who are scammed because they didnt use it, well, then it would be their faults. I highly doubt anyone would lend anything to anyone without using these trading tables if they were to lend someone their items.


Just make SOME way to be able to lend items without worrying about being scammed.

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Just make SOME way to be able to lend items without worrying about being scammed.

That could be handy. Perhaps a type of player trade where the person who has the item specifies a time when the items should be returned to their account, and then it shows the person accepting the items and if they agree to the time they will accept the trade (and the items being traded cannot leave the person's account while they're being loaned). I think that, if GK did this, it would be the only game I know of which has done this.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

That could be handy. Perhaps a type of player trade where the person who has the item specifies a time when the items should be returned to their account, and then it shows the person accepting the items and if they agree to the time they will accept the trade (and the items being traded cannot leave the person's account while they're being loaned). I think that, if GK did this, it would be the only game I know of which has done this.

Thats EXACTLY what I suggested . Read my darn first post.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Lance, stop saying the same thing over and over again. Thats all you did, repeat yourself.

I elaborated since you did not care to refute them. Alas.

The fact that scamming is possible is enough reason to create a non scammable way of trading.

1) There is no such thing
2) No matter what system you utilize, as long as people have any amount of control, there will be scamming, stealing, and betrayals.

If these trading tables were made, then I am 100% sure that those who know about it will in fact use it while lending items. Those who dont, well, its their faults if anything happens.

I am curious! Under any system, does the one who foolishly trusts the other and is scammed possess any responsibility for being scammed?

Currently, theres no way to prevent it,

I have pointed out a couple!

which should be more then enough reason to create something that does prevent it.

Except you have failed to demonstrate that it will, indeed, prevent it. In fact, you have even granted that people will still not take advantage of such a system. I am curious - how can you find them at fault for being scammed but not find the current folks at fault for the same?

Stop calling people idiots for getting scammed, you just dont understand.

I called noone an idiot. I implore you to stop putting words in my mouth.

Heres an example:

Bob and Henry have been friends for 3 years on Graal now. Bob and Henry do everything together on Graal, and both have clean records and are not known for doing anything wrong. One day, Bob gets a lot of good items on GK, and Henry is jealous. Henry asks Bob to lend him some items, and well, they have been friends for 3 years and are very good friends, so Bob trusts Henry and gives him some items. Next thing you know, Bob never sees those items again....Henry has just scammed him.

Then Bob has failed to properly identify Henry as being capable of such jealousy/thievery.