Remove Him.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by MadScience7

When you are Governor of Pirates, and I am not, then I will respond with a hearty "Aye Aye, Sir". Until then you will get no guarantees by demanding anything in a public forum. As always, I am open to a discussion of what could be done to improve Pirates or improve its member's interactions with other kingdoms.

All I asked is that you condemn the abuse of bugs as strongly as scamming is condemned. I can guarantee the same on our end, and I don't think that it is too much to ask.

I have always treated you with respect, there is no need for the 'when you are governor' attitude. I am sorry if you mistook my request for a demand, the condemnation of bug abuse is implicit as it is something people get banned for - I just requested that you state it for your members' benefit, since that one fellow had some trouble with that concept.

[Raven_Redfyre]

man u guys are horrible!!! just shut up... ok... a lot of us Pirates... or... u Pirates... since I quit a few weeks ago... RP on tag... we dont RP over "toguild:" fairly ever not that I've seen anyway... cept when we greet and say "farewell dear (so an so)"... and Alan if you havent noticed is an amazingly good leader through thick an thin... I dunno about other kingdoms... but when I was in KJ... our leader was fairly ever active and we never had any actual interesting events... and even now.... KJ's leader is inactive which is most likely why KJ only have less than 50 members now... so dont bring Alan into this or you will bring me into this... and I have a lotta crap to say too!!!

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Raven_Redfyre

man u guys are horrible!!! just shut up... ok... a lot of us Pirates... or... u Pirates... since I quit a few weeks ago... RP on tag... we dont RP over "toguild:" fairly ever not that I've seen anyway... cept when we greet and say "farewell dear (so an so)"... and Alan if you havent noticed is an amazingly good leader through thick an thin... I dunno about other kingdoms... but when I was in KJ... our leader was fairly ever active and we never had any actual interesting events... and even now.... KJ's leader is inactive which is most likely why KJ only have less than 50 members now... so dont bring Alan into this or you will bring me into this... and I have a lotta crap to say too!!!

Speaking for myself, I have never brought the overall quality of CP into question, only the actions of one member and asked Alan to express his stance on the abuse of bugs to ensure his members have no doubt in their minds as to what is and is not allowed.

[fireedragn]

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

I think this was especially stupid since you're not in an actual hostile state with ANY kingdoms. It would be like us, Canada, blowing some US fishermen out of the water because they were in our seas.

Ya, that would be accurate if Canada was a bunch of Pirates, who are SUPPOSED to pilfer, pillage, and plunder.

Edit: About time Alan that you start acting like a Pirate instead of a diplomat.

[Raven_Redfyre]

I always knew the Canadians would threaten to kill all us poor fishermen some day... which is also why I always have a shotgun handy to shoot down any huge bomb that comes my boats way!!! HAH!!! not like itll help... but... it still makes me feel safe!

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by fireedragn

Ya, that would be accurate if Canada was a bunch of Pirates, who are SUPPOSED to pilfer, pillage, and plunder.

Edit: About time Alan that you start acting like a Pirate instead of a diplomat.

CP is only a group of pirates in a roleplaying sense. That does not mean that Alan should act like a pirate out of character in a forums. Given that the member this thread is about was by his own admission not roleplaying and second abusing bugs kills your whole pilfer, pillage, plunder argument.

That would be like a pirate scamming someone and turning around and saying he was just being in character for a pirate.

[Zurkiba]

But hey, then again Dustari is guilty of the same crimes. Only my observations blame Zoe, I dunno about the others.

Zoe abuses bugs to PK people on peaceful tag
Zoe doesn't roleplay
Worst part is, Zoe is a leader.

SO HEY WHAT THE HELL, LETS JUST MAKE GRAAL KINGDOMS INTO 'GRAAL PK GUILDZ LAWLZ', it would save me a headache

[MadScience7]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Speaking for myself, I have never brought the overall quality of CP into question, only the actions of one member and asked Alan to express his stance on the abuse of bugs to ensure his members have no doubt in their minds as to what is and is not allowed.

I have never supported the abuse of bugs, especially to PK or level (i.e. Mirkwyn of Dustari lvl 70+ in 300 hrs). Until now, I have considered the dropping of golems or food the same as setting ship mines - anyone can do it, so there's no unfair advantage. I will have to reconsider based on everyone's comments.

The respect is indeed mutual Padren, and I always enjoy discussions or even arguments with you. The only people that my respect has changed for as a result of this fun discussion is Zurkiba (up) and Raziel (down). Nappa has stayed the same :-)

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

But hey, then again Dustari is guilty of the same crimes. Only my observations blame Zoe, I dunno about the others.

Zoe abuses bugs to PK people on peaceful tag
Zoe doesn't roleplay
Worst part is, Zoe is a leader.

SO HEY WHAT THE HELL, LETS JUST MAKE GRAAL KINGDOMS INTO 'GRAAL PK GUILDZ LAWLZ', it would save me a headache

Try facts someday Zurk, if you can manage. Out of curiosity, was the peaceful person she was PKing by chance a has-been former duke who was in peaceful and harassing Dustarians in the castle and refusing to leave?

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Try facts someday Zurk, if you can manage. Out of curiosity, was the peaceful person she was PKing by chance a has-been former duke who was in peaceful and harassing Dustarians in the castle and refusing to leave?

Try accepting the facts instead of blinding your own eyes with what you want the facts to be.

I harassed noone. You should investigate the actuality more instead of just randomly posting crap.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by MadScience7

I have never supported the abuse of bugs, especially to PK or level (i.e. Mirkwyn of Dustari lvl 70+ in 300 hrs). Until now, I have considered the dropping of golems or food the same as setting ship mines - anyone can do it, so there's no unfair advantage. I will have to reconsider based on everyone's comments.

I inquired to quite a while back of Mirkwyn when I saw her lvl, she is a dedicated alchemist and its all mental. If she has abused bugs to get there she should be banned, outright, no question.

As for 'ship mines' they are an unfair advantage as we'd never be willing to use them, and I assure you I will never engage in a naval RP battle with anyone else who does. I don't mean to force anything on you, but to me its even worse than casting spells on horse back, and I am stating what we are willing to work with.


Let me know when you've had the chance to reconsider them, if you will ban their use we can continue to engage in RP battles together.

[Discharge]

Originally Posted by MadScience7

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Anyone who has taken over rule of a kingdom and respects the previous administration
(as I do) will not go through and clean house by removing people already in positions
of leadership, unless as a last resort. That day may come, but it is not today.
I believe in giving loyal members a chance to change and improve.

I also think the right way to handle a conflict with a person in another kingdom, is to
contact their leader first before starting a discussion in forums. 'nuff said.

There is a problem with that statement. Your Navy Commander has repeatedly stated he has been complained about but nothing has ever happened to him. Obviously, the leadership in the kingdom is having difficulties punishing its members for incorrect behavior. Complaining to you might be the 22nd complaint about that person and nothing would be done. Do you see why I felt with good reason to open a thread about this person? The persecution of everyone in the role-playing community will put pressure in the administration of the kingdom to severely punish him.

I have considered the dropping of golems or food the same as setting ship mines

That is an extraordinary imagination you have there.

[Crono]

I love Discharge.

[MadScience7]

Originally Posted by Discharge

There is a problem with that statement. Your Navy Commander has repeatedly stated he has been complained about but nothing has ever happened to him.

The Corsair spent two days at the reduced rank of Scallywag, and was forced to endure the ruthless torture of RP trainer Emily. He apologized to me and it's over. I would be happy to discuss it further with you in game.

[Khallos_2k2]

Originally Posted by Raven_Redfyre

I always knew the Canadians would threaten to kill all us poor fishermen some day... which is also why I always have a shotgun handy to shoot down any huge bomb that comes my boats way!!! HAH!!! not like itll help... but... it still makes me feel safe!

I think we can all agree on one thing: that this post enriched the topic fully.
Buying the five seconds of my life I wasted reading this crap back again, anyone selling?

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by Khallos_2k2

I think we can all agree on one thing: that this post enriched the topic fully.
Buying the five seconds of my life I wasted reading this crap back again, anyone selling?

Technically you wasted five seconds that you could've used to write that post. Soo it's your own fault.

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Try facts someday Zurk, if you can manage. Out of curiosity, was the peaceful person she was PKing by chance a has-been former duke who was in peaceful and harassing Dustarians in the castle and refusing to leave?

Peaceful is peaceful- I see no rule against being in a Castle IN CHARACTER not harrasing people. Refusing to agnowledge someone's IC exsistance, however abrassive they may or may not be, is a vast breach of RP protocol. Exceptions are when the person does not role play, a la KJ. But as for Zurkiba, who was Roleplaying, who was within his right to be in the castle, who was in peaceful mode which was designed TO PREVENT BEING PKED.

And more over, bug abuse IS bug abuse.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

And more over, bug abuse IS bug abuse.

This small, obvious fact often seems to be ignored.

[LogicBot]

I Agree!!!

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by Lance

This small, obvious fact often seems to be ignored.

I agree.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

Peaceful is peaceful- I see no rule against being in a Castle IN CHARACTER not harrasing people. Refusing to agnowledge someone's IC exsistance, however abrassive they may or may not be, is a vast breach of RP protocol. Exceptions are when the person does not role play, a la KJ. But as for Zurkiba, who was Roleplaying, who was within his right to be in the castle, who was in peaceful mode which was designed TO PREVENT BEING PKED.

Zurk wasn't IN CHARACTER in the castle, if he was roleplaying, he would have been surrounded by the many guards, and probably run through the chest.

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

And more over, bug abuse IS bug abuse.

And should always be punished, no matter what. I hope everyone can agree to that. In the case of Zurk disturbing the RP environment of the castle out of character and refusing to leave, and using peaceful mode to harass people, I cannot blame people who find a way to kill the player dispite being in peaceful.

Now, this thread isn't about the maniacal wailings of Zurkiba, but about CP, use of 'mines' (bugs) and RP conduct of kingdom members.

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

And should always be punished, no matter what. I hope everyone can agree to that.

Then I demand both you and Zoe submit your account names to Bjorn for a ban. Use of a bug to remove a King without Roleplay reasoning, and the fact that she DID kill Zurkiba through bug abuse.

If Zurkiba wasn't, as you claim, in character, then you had no right to interact with him- by your own admonission OOC people are just to be ignored. They don't exsist. Why, then, did Zoe make Zurkiba any different?

[Discharge]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

Then I demand both you and Zoe submit your account names to Bjorn for a ban. Use of a bug to remove a King without Roleplay reasoning, and the fact that she DID kill Zurkiba through bug abuse.

If Zurkiba wasn't, as you claim, in character, then you had no right to interact with him- by your own admonission OOC people are just to be ignored. They don't exsist. Why, then, did Zoe make Zurkiba any different?

Gryffon lets role-play in Val.

::he moves his hand over his mouse::

::he uses his index finger to press down on the left mouse button::

::a clicking sounds is produced::

::he moves his hand back to the keyboard::

::his eyes begin to focus on the monitor::

::he move his hand back to the mouse::

::he clicks the left button using his index finger::

::the click leads him on a different thread::

::he hears the sound of his computer::

::he looks behind him to see his bed sheets are missing::

Anyways, I would like to know how that transition actually happened in detail.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

Then I demand both you and Zoe submit your account names to Bjorn for a ban. Use of a bug to remove a King without Roleplay reasoning, and the fact that she DID kill Zurkiba through bug abuse.

If Zurkiba wasn't, as you claim, in character, then you had no right to interact with him- by your own admonission OOC people are just to be ignored. They don't exsist. Why, then, did Zoe make Zurkiba any different?

That will not happen - they've already explained that they feel bug abuse is justified against things that they don't approve of.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Zurk wasn't IN CHARACTER in the castle, if he was roleplaying, he would have been surrounded by the many guards, and probably run through the chest.

Right, I was in character.

And if you would understand, AIM CONVERSATIONS AND FORUM CONVERSATIONS ARE OOC. In all actuality a parade would've been thrown for me and I would've been celebrated as the returning Duke who has been travelling the globe for years.

You complain that if I RPed properly then I would not hold a grudge against the Zormites in my character. But wait, you're being a hypocrite again.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

And should always be punished, no matter what. I hope everyone can agree to that. In the case of Zurk disturbing the RP environment of the castle out of character and refusing to leave, and using peaceful mode to harass people, I cannot blame people who find a way to kill the player dispite being in peaceful.

Removal of Tseng through GUI Bug
PKing me when I'm in peaceful mode Bug

That's TWO bugs from TWO leaders of a KINGDOM.

I was not disturbing an RP enviroment. I was SITTING in the shipyard. MY shipyard. Noone was even on the Dustari island. And I did leave, about four times. Later to return.

I did not harass anyone - Unless if you consider other people having Dustari.gmap in their location in their profile as harassment. In which you must get harassed a lot!

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Now, this thread isn't about the maniacal wailings of Zurkiba, but about CP, use of 'mines' (bugs) and RP conduct of kingdom members.

Good, stop turning the threads into Anti-Zurkiba. I mentioned a valid point stating that Dustari is guilty of the same crimes. But it's always just easier to turn it against me.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

...

Go blow smoke elsewhere else, you're not even trying to be plausable anymore.

[MasterNuke]

Originally Posted by MadScience7

Until now, I have considered the dropping of golems or food the same as setting ship mines - anyone can do it, so there's no unfair advantage.

Hint: Slow spell.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally Posted by MadScience7

The Corsair spent two days at the reduced rank of Scallywag, and was forced to endure the ruthless torture of RP trainer Emily. He apologized to me and it's over. I would be happy to discuss it further with you in game.

I praise you for that.
I hear that Emily is good!

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Go blow smoke elsewhere else, you're not even trying to be plausable anymore.

You're always just so high and mighty with your words, then when we use your very own words to show faults in yourself. You dismiss it.

You dont believe what you speak, read upwards... others have mentioned the same things I have. But because I said it then it makes it null and void right? Well that's just not how it works.

[fireedragn]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

CP is only a group of pirates in a roleplaying sense. That does not mean that Alan should act like a pirate out of character in a forums. Given that the member this thread is about was by his own admission not roleplaying and second abusing bugs kills your whole pilfer, pillage, plunder argument.

I know that it doesn't mean that he should act like a pirate on the forums. But he made a decision AS a pirate, in the best interests of the pirates. (And by that, I mean not letting somebody else, especially the King of Dustari tell him how to run things.)

And if you read the quote, you'd see what my post was actually responding to.

Edit: Clarified my meaning.

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by fireedragn

I know that it doesn't mean that he should act like a pirate on the forums. But he made a decision AS a pirate, in the best interests of the pirates. (And by that, I mean not letting somebody else, especially the King of Dustari tell him how to run things.)

And if you read the quote, you'd see what my post was actually responding to.

Edit: Clarified my meaning.

Yes, far be it from people with even a shred of logic to realize that ticking off the giant country that controls the most powerful army in the known islands would be a BAD thing. If there's any country the Pirates SHOULD be afraid of, it's Dustari.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

Yes, far be it from people with even a shred of logic to realize that ticking off the giant country that controls the most powerful army in the known islands would be a BAD thing. If there's any country the Pirates SHOULD be afraid of, it's Dustari.

Actually for RP reasons, I'd let things get very 'bad' between CP and Dustari before a land war would ever be considered. Even with CP having a more organized government than your usual pirate band, by treating them as a bunch of individual threats as piracy under maritime law, Pirates that do raid our waters will be pursued and those whom don't will not be on our legal radar.

I think that people don't find the full ground wars and idea of conquest that much fun, at least in GK's current form, and I want to encourage piracy without fear that it will result in any castles being burned down.

[urmomsdumb2]

Originally Posted by Discharge

Listen here “scallywags,”

You have your head of the Navy who does not role-play at all. He thinks it’s for “dumbasses”

He also told me while on tag, that he has been reported several times because he does not role-play. Up to this point, pirates were role-playing pretty good. I was enjoying myself with all this role-playing interaction.

I came over in peace to speak about our agreement. Why? Well earlier the day we had the Governess came over and landed on Dustari. According to our agreement we can sail freely but cannot land on tag. Anways, so I go over to speak about these terms because it’s like hey! What about our deal?

This guy, supposedly your head honcho of the navy comes and uses mushrooms to get me stuck. He starts pounding on me with every magic trick in the book while I’m just stuck. Personally, using mushrooms for an attack because it freezes boats is not very “rpish.” Not to mention it could possibly be seen as a bug abuse but I’m not sure. Anyways, he goes off and insults me with various occ comments while on tag saying he does not care. You know, in all my years of role-playing, I don’t think I ever encountered a member of a role-playing kingdom that has totally disregarded role-playing. He just straight out said he does not give dang about role-playing. You need to remove this guy, his obviously not meant to be in a kingdom. This guy should be in Graal Classic chopping up bushes all day. I got so ticked, I went out-of-character and reprimanded him.

Here is a screen shot.

http://www.anarbol.com/removecorsair.jpg

Edit: On a side note, the mayor comes down and just listens to him talk out-of-character on tag but does not say a word. I just warp out off tag because this event turned into a clearly occ matter.

well according to me, u were below westford, which cureently happens to be the boundry from outsiders, therefore, going past that point, you were in a hostile area. And Arius is one of our finest pirates, So dont tell us to remove him jsut because of your ignorance of going past our boundry.
Im not sure if this rule was set out before or after this happened, so i apologize if im wrong


~~Captain Lunus Astrian~~

[urmomsdumb2]

Originally Posted by Nappa

It's amazing. The only person who thinks this, is the retard running the kingdom.

So now ur moving from arius to Alan huh? its pathetic you have to think of every little detail to try and ruin a kingdom jsut because you dotn like it. Calling someone far more respected then you'll ever be, is the most ignorant thing i have ever seen.




ok we can end this post, ive said what i wanted to say.

~~~Captain Lunus Astrian~~

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by urmomsdumb2

well according to me, u were below westford, which cureently happens to be the boundry from outsiders, therefore, going past that point, you were in a hostile area. And Arius is one of our finest pirates, So dont tell us to remove him jsut because of your ignorance of going past our boundry.
Im not sure if this rule was set out before or after this happened, so i apologize if im wrong


~~Captain Lunus Astrian~~

Well if you would read the post you would understand that the thread isn't about crossing a line. It's about the choice of a KINGDOM MEMBER to not ROLEPLAY.

I surely hope you dont talk in game like you do here. Then the Pirates have no hope of return.

(Sidenote: Astrian, cool surname from Astri)

Originally Posted by urmomsdumb2

So now ur moving from arius to Alan huh? its pathetic you have to think of every little detail to try and ruin a kingdom jsut because you dotn like it. Calling someone far more respected then you'll ever be, is the most ignorant thing i have ever seen.




ok we can end this post, ive said what i wanted to say.

~~~Captain Lunus Astrian~~

Wow lets actually see who made the two different posts.
One says Discharge
The Other one says Nappa

Oh my dear lord, there must be some grand conspiracy amist as there are two different people posting on a thread with two different opinions. What is the world coming to?!?!?!?

Originally Posted by urmomsdumb2

ok we can end this post, ive said what i wanted to say.

Right, because we know your proven statements and your clear superiority have made everyone hush hush about the discussion because you clearly 'owned' us in it. WRONG. Your statements didn't show us anything. If it did show us anything it showed us one of two things:
1) You cant read
OR...
2) You cant read

[Evil_Lord_Sparda]

Originally Posted by urmomsdumb2

..

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=57301

And he just got promoted to Captain. Hooray!

[Khallos_2k2]

Just read his account name Zurk... X.x
I rest my case.

[Discharge]

Originally Posted by urmomsdumb2

well according to me, u were below westford, which cureently happens to be the boundry from outsiders, therefore, going past that point, you were in a hostile area. And Arius is one of our finest pirates, So dont tell us to remove him jsut because of your ignorance of going past our boundry.
Im not sure if this rule was set out before or after this happened, so i apologize if im wrong


~~Captain Lunus Astrian~~

Laugh out loud.

Arius is not one of your finest pirates. If he was, then your kingdom is a very mediocre role-playing kingdom. Actually, it’s really not a kingdom and it would not be a role-playing organization of any sort. I’m not ignorant on the terms that we have, I told the pirates I was coming in peace. Your Governess is the ignorant pirate who does not know the terms because she landed on Dustari Island and when we went to go speak to her, she fled. Whether I was correct or not for actually entering the Crescent Sea is irrelevant. The fact is, he could of address the situation by role-playing when I entered the Crescent Sea. Instead, he chose to absolutely not role-play and handle the situation incorrectly while on tag. Do you see what I’m saying? As a result, I have created this thread to put pressure on your kingdom by using the Graal role-playing community.

Couple of days ago I got a message from LordMat because of this thread:

Originally Posted by LordMatt

You take rping way too seriously. It is just a game you know.

You think I’m taking it seriously? Go try playing Valikorlia. Yea I know it’s a game, a role-playing game.

[Raziel]

Originally Posted by MadScience7

The only people that my respect has changed for as a result of this fun discussion is Zurkiba (up) and Raziel (down). Nappa has stayed the same :-)

May I ask, please, kind sir, why?

[Nappa]

The same ? I guess that means it was already at 0 ?