Why Classic

[Polo]

I dont really know what is 'unsmooth' about what is currently there

[Nappa]

Originally Posted by Polo

I dont really know what is 'unsmooth' about what is currently there

I was able to hit people from like 3 tiles away the first day the npc server was up. I don't know if that's changed now though.

[Polo]

Originally Posted by Nappa

I was able to hit people from like 3 tiles away the first day the npc server was up. I don't know if that's changed now though.

Ahhh... only if you are real laggy or somthing

[oinknessx]

I didn't know Classic had a system! But then again, I probably had a total of 2 hours on classic within the last 4 years..

[Snakeandy7]

I prefer new classic, I like the new movement system aswell. I think it is very nice

[Tyhm]

Look. I had a real simple theory for it all.
Have Stefan set up a special NPCServer where everything's assumed to be CLIENTSIDE unless it specfically says otherwise (like a clientside tag at the end). Where Toweapons still works, playerrupees++ was still a command, etcetera. Then we'd fix it one command at a time, and as we went, we'd disable the old clientside commands.
"Simple." And we'd stay motivated because we'd be making progress.

But Stefan said it was quite impossible, and so we had to convert three or four years essentially from scratch. Not just that but reinvent arrows for serverside. Swords for serverside. Hearts for serverside. MOVEMENT for serverside. BADDIES for serverside. BOMBS for serverside. ITEMS for serverside. FRELLING SIGNS FOR SERVERSIDE. "SAY 3" IS NO LONGER A COMMAND.

So my head exploded and I quit. And these young revolutionaries took it upon themselves to take my toil, three years of my life, dig it out of the dumpster and try and make it playable again.

Thank you.

[Curt1zzle]

Originally Posted by protagonist

They didn't start out "oldiez".

I might actually start playing, now that everyone's on the same level.

I was born an oldbie.

I skipped the whole fetus thing and crawled out on my own.

[Nappa]

I dont understand why you would need to make your own health and fighting systems.. ? (I don't play classic, so forgive me if its something different or complex)

[Polo]

Originally Posted by Nappa

I dont understand why you would need to make your own health and fighting systems.. ? (I don't play classic, so forgive me if its something different or complex)

Were using gmap's, and the built in bombs and bows dont work on gmaps. This means we had to convert all the fighting (hit detection) to serverside, and to do that we had to disable the old swords, which meant using disabledefmovement;, thus requiring a rewrite of the movement.

The system is exactly the same as before the npc server, except now the hit detection is serverside, and spar rating and ap (which is now pk rating) are changed to a (better?) system. Apart from that there is probably a <5% minority difference where the rewrite isn't exactly the same, but thats not noticable.

[TB3]

Originally Posted by Projectshifter

I really wish you would not speak on matters which you do not know.

Thats why i was inquiring O_o I didn't know what problems he may have been running into.

Originally Posted by Projectshifter

You make it seem like Polo was dumb for not just adding //#CLIENTSIDE.

Not my intentions I did not know that the damage / hit detection system was rescripted , I was under the impression that it was still the built in sword hit detection thats why i asked

Originally Posted by Projectshifter

That is a VERY common misconception. Keyword there is misconception, because that is what it is. Scripts are not that simple. You have to do a lot more than just make it clientside, and even if this were the case, it would not make them secure, which leads to problems.

Yes I know this well, however most of classics weapons as I remember them were not as complex to have needed a buttload of rescripting. However with a new damage / health system that may be otherwize.

Originally Posted by Projectshifter

Also regarding new content and such... I hate to point out the blatently obvious, but the word classic is defined as "Having lasting significance or worth; enduring. " as one of the ways on dictionary.com It's not supposed to be something with the latest and greatest. It's supposed to be nostalgic. It shows the old way that Graal used to be, but now it's been updated with the NPCServer so there is greater control over things, and so that things are more efficient. The levels and all that were not meant to change and the point of Classic getting a new NPC Server wasn't for it to be all-new. So please, accept that classic is, well, Classic, and it's meant to be like that for a reason.

That wasnt directed at me , but agreed.

Originally Posted by Polo

Were using gmap's, and the built in bombs and bows dont work on gmaps. This means we had to convert all the fighting (hit detection) to serverside, and to do that we had to disable the old swords, which meant using disabledefmovement;, thus requiring a rewrite of the movement.

The system is exactly the same as before the npc server, except now the hit detection is serverside, and spar rating and ap (which is now pk rating) are changed to a (better?) system. Apart from that there is probably a <5% minority difference where the rewrite isn't exactly the same, but thats not noticable.

I don't completley see why the new movement system / swords but yet I haven't used them on gmaps before.
But it sounds good , good luck with it. XD

[yojimbokintoray]

classic is doomed and i blame you all...

stefan should readd the year 2000 server it did own if they did not add newbish staffs and started adding new lvl's..
A 2000 server would be way better then the **** storm is making for classic.

[StrykerTFFD]

More lovely input from Raistlin.

It's pretty obvious the Classic server was rushed to get a NPC Server version up. I'm sure with a little more time other things could've been finished, but heck this works. People should stop assuming this is the "finished" product and realize we're far from done.

[Polo]

Originally Posted by Stefan

- Classic Clientside-mode removed: Classic has been
switched to use NPC-Server, so the client doesn't need
insecure script commands like "toweapons" anymore

It wasn't really rushed to get up. Classic server mode was being removed and thats why it was more important to get nice working movement and hit detection so that we could open rather than working on quests.

[StrykerTFFD]

They were removing Classic server mode...so of course it was rushed.

[Polo]

I like to prefer the term a switch of priorities.

If we'd had more time we'd have done loadsa quests n stuff, but alas we didn't I dont think the server was not ready to go up, but I think it could be a lot more complete. Hence, I dont think it was rushed.