$25 Vip?

[Rick]

Price has jumped up $6, whaaaat? Is it just me or does this seem unfair? Compared to what little VIP does get (now).

** I would appreciate it if moderators could remove/split any posts in/from this thread that are simply flamatory or contribute nothing to the point of this thread, rather than closing the thread itself, danke. **

[Nitkizi]

I smell a fun thread about to be given birth to. Well..has been given birth to..

[falco10291029]

I agree, it is highly unfair >

[ZanderX]

Oh no six dollars I won't be able to eat Panda Express whatever shall I do with my life.

[pacMASTA]

;O Yes its a bloody rip off and XMAS too wtf? Now thats a good way to get players....

1. Even 20$ was crap. I mean really ive spent 100$ into graal... and these VIP Benifents arnt anythign special
2. Making Global Guild - Who Cares =/
3. Saturday On Gold Servers - OH MY GOD 24 HOURS WHEN IT TAKES ALOT OF EXP TO LEVEL
4. Preview to Graal3D - Wow a beta thats the same as a preview except with weapon spawns and a flying blimp you cant use, an dgold gets it too.
   Development Servers - Oh well Gold gets it too
5. FTP Server with 10mb - Thats horible most ISP offer 1Gigabyte of memory and lots of bandwith

Originally Posted by ZanderX

Oh no six dollars I won't be able to eat Panda Express whatever shall I do with my life.

And also think about what VIP even gets and think of that price rise[list]

[Rick]

Originally Posted by ZanderX

Oh no six dollars I won't be able to eat Panda Express whatever shall I do with my life.

I am not saying it isn't affordable. I am saying what you get isn't worth that amount of money.

[Leasure-13]

Originally Posted by Rick

I am not saying it isn't affordable. I am saying what you get isn't worth that amount of money.

It is not that.. it is way to much.. So what.. take the space away from us. Give it to gold. I dont use it, and i only know a few people that do.

[ZanderX]

Originally Posted by pacMASTA

Making Global Guild - Who Cares =/

To some people, that is a pretty big thing. I knew if I still played Graal it'd be a big thing for me.

Originally Posted by pacMASTA

Saturday On Gold Servers - OH MY GOD 24 HOURS WHEN IT TAKES ALOT OF EXP TO LEVEL

You can do a lot in 24 hours. Plus now there's Zone.

Originally Posted by pacMASTA

Preview to Graal3D - Wow a beta thats the same as a preview except with weapon spawns and a flying blimp you cant use, an dgold gets it too.

So? Gold got it by paying practically fifty bucks, you got it + other stuff for $20. Don't complain; they're not obligated to give you a Graal 3D preview at all.

Originally Posted by pacMASTA

Development Servers - Oh well Gold gets it too

And Gold is more expensive. Want to come up with a cohesive argument?

Originally Posted by pacMASTA

FTP Server with 10mb - Thats horible most ISP offer 1Gigabyte of memory and lots of bandwith

Maybe in Oz, Dorothy. By the way, have you found Toto yet?

Originally Posted by Rick

I am not saying it isn't affordable. I am saying what you get isn't worth that amount of money.

I'm not arguing with you on that point. Things could definitely be shifted around to make VIP more appealing. I'm just mocking the people who whine about a $6 increase as if unix is personally banging their girlfriends or something. It's really not that big of a deal; it's $6.

[pacMASTA]

Originally Posted by ZanderX

To some people, that is a pretty big thing. I knew if I still playedGraal it'd be a big thing for me.

Not really because some servers even disable global guilds now

Originally Posted by ZanderX

You can do a lot in 24 hours. Plus now there's Zone.

Not really because other people with godly stuff can just steal your kills, and Zone theirs gold people with godly swords and levels already so its hard to even keep up

Originally Posted by ZanderX

So? Gold got it by paying practically fifty bucks, you got it + other stuff for $20. Don't complain; they're not obligated to give you a Graal 3D preview at all.

Well think about VIP you need Classic 20$, then gold 20$, finally VIP 26$ They pay 50 we pay 66 your point is?

Originally Posted by ZanderX

And Gold is more expensive. Want to come up with a cohesive argument?

Not really seeing as Gold gets more content and VIP is 26$

Originally Posted by ZanderX

Maybe in Oz, Dorothy. By the way, have you found Toto yet?

...?Maybe you dont cause you have a bad ISP try comcast...goto online storage o_O

Originally Posted by ZanderX

I'm not arguing with you on that point. Things could definitely be shifted around to make VIP more appealing. I'm just mocking the people who whine about a $6 increase as if unix is personally banging their girlfriends or something. It's really not that big of a deal; it's $6.

It is when we get jack **** and lies and all they want is more money and geting rid of the content we used to get Sundays too now we dont

[Rick]

Originally Posted by ZanderX

To some people, that is a pretty big thing. I knew if I still played Graal it'd be a big thing for me.
You can do a lot in 24 hours. Plus now there's Zone.
So? Gold got it by paying practically fifty bucks, you got it + other stuff for $20. Don't complain; they're not obligated to give you a Graal 3D preview at all.
And Gold is more expensive. Want to come up with a cohesive argument?
Maybe in Oz, Dorothy. By the way, have you found Toto yet?
I'm not arguing with you on that point. Things could definitely be shifted around to make VIP more appealing. I'm just mocking the people who whine about a $6 increase as if unix is personally banging their girlfriends or something. It's really not that big of a deal; it's $6.

Zone doesn't appeal to everyone, yes that is a player's decision, but it lessens the worth of VIP to the end user. Technically no, CyberJ is not obligated to provide a preview of Graal3D, however, it was 'promised' to them[1] as VIP preview, which did not happen. Sure, the preview is open now, but it is open to Gold as well, which does not foot the bill. Again, this is not about affordability, this is about wether it is worth the money or not.

[falco10291029]

To some people, that is a pretty big thing. I knew if I still played Graal it'd be a big thing for me.

Actually anyone can make a global guild. I made one before I got VIP (btw it needs members-Dark Magicites )

You can do a lot in 24 hours. Plus now there's Zone.

Not many people are going to be on graal for that 24 hours. Pus zone doesnt do anything on saturdays for VIP.

So? Gold got it by paying practically fifty bucks, you got it + other stuff for $20. Don't complain; they're not obligated to give you a Graal 3D preview at all.

Gold got it and much more, basically anythign VIP can get, except better in most cases. Name one thing that VIP gets other than the original 30 person beta that gold doesnt. If they didnt give VIP the preview, they would actually be lieing, since when you join VIP it says you get to test previews.

And Gold is more expensive. Want to come up with a cohesive argument?

Again gold gets much more for that price, and it's worth it. The main point there
is that VIP isnt getting anything special. Want to come up with a cohesive argument?

Maybe in Oz, Dorothy. By the way, have you found Toto yet?

No comment :Whatever:

[ZanderX]

Originally Posted by pacMASTA

Not really because some servers even disable global guilds now

That's not the fault of Graal, though, that's the fault of the servers. Don't rail on global administration for the faults of local administration.

Originally Posted by pacMASTA

Not really because other people with godly stuff can just steal your kills, and Zone theirs gold people with godly swords and levels already so its hard to even keep up

The same is true for any MMO with a PVP element. You have to suck it up and deal with it, dude. Again, that is NOT the fault of the administration, so don't lay the blame at their feet.

Originally Posted by pacMASTA

Well think about VIP you need Classic 20$, then gold 20$, finally VIP 26$ They pay 50 we pay 66 your point is?

Or you can buy Gold for $50-odd and then when Gold runs out just keep a VIP account. That's what I did. Yes, in your analogy VIP is in fact more expensive, but it's not meant as a "Buy a straight up VIP account." thing, it's an add-on/renewal thing for when your Gold runs out or if you want the minimal features that Gold doesn't offer.

Originally Posted by pacMASTA

Not really seeing as Gold gets more content and VIP is 26$

Debatable on the content front.

Originally Posted by pacMASTA

WTF?

You apparently missed the part of my somewhat mocking analogy where I alluded to you not knowing what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by pacMASTA

It is when we get jack **** and lies and all they want is more money and geting rid of the content we used to get Sundays too now we dont

The point of a business is to make money. They are raising prices more than likely because they need to so that they can keep in business and keep providing the service you are utilizing. Stuff it.

Originally Posted by Rick

Zone doesn't appeal to everyone, yes that is a player's decision, but it lessens the worth of VIP to the end user. Technically no, CyberJ is not obligated to provide a preview of Graal3D, however, it was 'promised' to them[1] as VIP preview, which did not happen. Sure, the preview is open now, but it is open to Gold as well, which does not foot the bill. Again, this is not about affordability, this is about wether it is worth the money or not.

Yeah, the Graal 3D Preview was promised to VIP members. On the other side of that, nothing ever said that it would be exclusively VIP.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by ZanderX

Oh no six dollars I won't be able to eat Panda Express whatever shall I do with my life.

It's the concept that they're raising a price when nothing extra was given.

[matt8891]

They might be charging for the webspace that comes as a VIP extension. Not everything is free.

[Leasure-13]

Originally Posted by matt8891

They might be charging for the webspace that comes as a VIP extension. Not everything is free.

Ok that is understood. Now they should have a option if you want it. If not. Then pay the 19. If you want it, pay the 26

[Gambet]

Meh, its the Holidays. Instead of decreasing the price for a period of time, they increase it forever. -.-

Its not even worth what your paying for.

[MysticalMatrix]

Exactly I mean whoever increased the price is being a grinch seriously we aren't made of cash. I mean if you want money so bad go to Las Vegas and gamble $$..
>:O Bring back the price to 20 or lower

[ZanderX]

Originally Posted by MysticalMatrix

Exactly I mean whoever increased the price is being a grinch

Or maybe they need the money to keep running the servers that you play on.

Did you ever bother to think of that?

[James205]

Originally Posted by ZanderX

Or maybe they need the money to keep running the servers that you play on.

Did you ever bother to think of that?

Are you even sure they are in the need of money to keep the servers up or they just want more money?

It's plain and simple, they raised the price for no apparent reason, usualy VIP should be informed about this kind of stuff. Now even classic people can post on the forums and if you look at the title of this forum it includes "(Reserved for Gold and VIP Subcribers)". Seems to me that maybe the price would go down a little rather go up 6 dollars.

[unixmad]

Let's divide $25 by 12 months, $2 a month. What can you do with $2 ?

* You can not play any other Online game
* You can not pay more than 2 cakes , 2 colas .
* You can't even pay a single ticket to go on cinema

We have not raised price since 4 year, do you think it's unfair to raise the price 0,4$ a month ?

About VIP features, Lot of arguments have already be given before so i will not repeat them.

Testing new version is not something we ask you to pay for but more a privilege we give to player that support us and help us pay salaries, servers, bandwidth, office...

VIP will be able to test freely the new game distributed by Cyberjoueurs (http://www.fairyland-europe.com) , each time we can make a favor to VIP we are doing it.

The graal3d engine is now ready to make games so we will have more content in 2005 than ever. We are preparing a few surprise for VIP like the possibility to use the graal3d editor and make your 3d online village.

[MysticalMatrix]

Hey unixmad not all of us are rich. $5 may not seem like alot to you, but it is for us. I remember when you didn't need to play for Graal at all. Thats when it was fun, but now in order to work on a UC server you need VIP/Gold. -_-

[unixmad]

$5 is for a full year ! It mean you need to save $0.4 each month to pay that or 0,01 $ each day That's a big deal !

Originally Posted by MysticalMatrix

Hey unixmad not all of us are rich. $5 may not seem like alot to you, but it is for us. I remember when you didn't need to play for Graal at all. Thats when it was fun, but now in order to work on a UC server you need VIP/Gold. -_-

[MysticalMatrix]

I still say the other price was better!

[Spark910]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

It's the concept that they're raising a price when nothing extra was given.

It was a 'Special Offer' in the first place, if people read what they were buying. Which suggested the price would increase at some point. It was $19 for a long time now.

I believe some time in 2005 you will be able to pay in your own currency, which will help with some costs as the US Exchange rate for some is playing bad with prices. With the current US exchange rate they are losing out on loads of money compared to what they used to get.

[davidpsy]

If vip doesn’t have features you are not willing to pay 26 dollars for, do not buy it, its that simple.

End of story.

[brock128]

Originally Posted by ZanderX

Oh no six dollars I won't be able to eat Panda Express whatever shall I do with my life.

The problem is that VIP was barely worth $20 and isn't worth $25.

Originally Posted by ZanderX

To some people, that is a pretty big thing. I knew if I still played Graal it'd be a big thing for me.

People still play graal?

You can do a lot in 24 hours. Plus now there's Zone.

Awesome, so now you can play a horrible MMORPG OR a horrible 3rd person shooter for 24 hours!

So? Gold got it by paying practically fifty bucks, you got it + other stuff for $20. Don't complain; they're not obligated to give you a Graal 3D preview at all.

They aren't obligated to give us any service and could just take our money, but they aren't doing that.

Originally Posted by ZanderX

The same is true for any MMO with a PVP element. You have to suck it up and deal with it, dude. Again, that is NOT the fault of the administration, so don't lay the blame at their feet.

EVERY (other anyway, and I don't mean "BOBS KOOL MMO!!!!") MMO on the market with PVP makes it either consentual or gives newbies a chance to get away. I'd name specific examples but it's HOMG BANNABLE!

Debatable on the content front.

No it's not.

The point of a business is to make money. They are raising prices more than likely because they need to so that they can keep in business and keep providing the service you are utilizing. Stuff it.

If they have to raise the price to stay afloat, and there hasn't been a major inflation, then they have to look at themselves and wonder why they had to raise the price.

Yeah, the Graal 3D Preview was promised to VIP members. On the other side of that, nothing ever said that it would be exclusively VIP.

It was implied, I think by forum posts too.

Originally Posted by ZanderX

Or maybe they need the money to keep running the servers that you play on.

Did you ever bother to think of that?

Again, if they need more money for the servers, they are losing customers. Why are they losing customers?

Originally Posted by unixmad

VIP will be able to test freely the new game distributed by Cyberjoueurs (http://www.fairyland-europe.com) , each time we can make a favor to VIP we are doing it.

I didn't pay my $20 to play another trippy korean MMO. I paid it for content that was promiced.

Originally Posted by MysticalMatrix

I remember when you didn't need to play for Graal at all and it was still an online zelda clone. Thats when it was fun

A-men. And fixed.

Originally Posted by davidpsy

If vip doesn’t have features you are not willing to pay 26 dollars for, do not buy it, its that simple.

End of story.

We won't, and that's what we're trying to let the global staff know.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by ZanderX

Oh no six dollars I won't be able to eat Panda Express whatever shall I do with my life.

Hey shut up I can get a pokemon booster pack with that money!

[Myomoto]

Originally Posted by unixmad

...(http://www.fairyland-europe.com)...

Dude, that looks wieeerd....

[syltburk]

So much hate:

OMG SDOGMFInvhgfu , I expressed my hate on the keyboard as you can notice.

[WanDaMan]

I think it's a great deal, I'd rather get VIP + Gold for £22.00 rather than VIP itself it's only £10.00 more.

That's if I ever decide to open paypal again, I doubt I will though.

[Nitkizi]

Its not that big of a deal..

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Myomoto

Dude, that looks wieeerd....

I remember people talking about it in the old Gunbound hacking community I was with (learned about packets from them).

[unixmad]

brock128 what are you still doing on this forums if you don't play graal neither like it ?


[QUOTE=brock128]

[syltburk]

[QUOTE=unixmad]brock128 what are you still doing on this forums if you don't play graal neither like it ?


You failed too qoute Unix. Better luck next time .

[Gambet]

I think he wanted to post this quote:

Originally Posted by brock128

People still play graal?

[Myomoto]

[QUOTE=unixmad]brock128 what are you still doing on this forums if you don't play graal neither like it ?


The forums do have a few none graal sections...

[WHIPENIE4]

* You can not pay more than 2 cakes , 2 colas .

you can if you dont HAVE to have the expensive ****

[Moonite]

on this Element Server u can get a vip sword if ugot anvip tag dont forget that

[T3CK]

I'm never buying anything from Graal again because I'm already set for life.

[T3CK]

Originally Posted by unixmad

Let's divide $25 by 12 months, $2 a month. What can you do with $2 ?

* You can not play any other Online game
* You can not pay more than 2 cakes , 2 colas .
* You can't even pay a single ticket to go on cinema

What? I can play another online game. Its called America's Army. I would of said Counter-Strike or something but you have to pay for Half-Life and stuff so. (These are not MMOPG games, if you're looking for MMORPG you do have the best deal if you actually want people to be on the server with you)

BS! They have 25 cent sodas and Little Debbie Snack Cakes for 25-50 cents each!

Have you ever heard of the 99 cent theater?