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[Projectshifter]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

The GST has the same jurstiction as the PWA??
When did this happen?
And where is it written?

*Jurisdiction
And we do, ask Spark yourself. Or at least on grounds of seniority and power some members, the existing members of the GST (the whole 3 of us =/) have both more seniority and rights than many of the PWA (excluding Spark of course). You are also failing to realize that some things don't have to be written down. Not EVERYTHING is written in stone. If a GST member has more rights than a PWA member, what does that imply? I think the logical answer is that they are more capable than PWA in some areas (usually fixing servers) and considering the fact that they have global RC, why would they not help given the chance?

Originally Posted by Nappa

I disagree though on the fact that we need so many pwa. I think Spark can handle it himself.

It would seem so, however you fail to see what goes on behind the scenes. Knowing what happens first-hand, I think we need a few more people who can manage things. Spark does a lot, and he is the main guy for accounts and special problems next to Stefan. If someone else could help out Spark then the PWA members could still handle the minor problems. As of right now the current system is you need to speak to a lower PWA or so, basically not Spark, and you move your way up, then get to Spark and then Stefan or so. But considering many people want to over-step that and just because they get a bad answer from someone they want to go "get you fired" it's kind of annoying. The reason it is so difficult to contact Stefan is because people would abuse it, and annoy him every 6 seconds. That's the main reason I do not use my public AIM much anymore: it got swarmed with 20 IMs in less than 2 minutes time, asking about "Hey script this for me!". People fail to realize our job is NOT to make you things, but to help you with efficiency and how to go about doing things. Just because you WANT something made, you aren't going to necessarily get it. I have never once declined helping someone who was trying to do a project that was decently within their range. When 1st time scripters come saying "I need to know how to make a Q-Menu" and I explain the 'jist of such things, and they don't understand 1/2 of what I say, it's not right for me to have to sit down and spend 6 hours explaining all these concepts, when I wrote a tutorial ages ago, and Osrs has been working on documents (one of which I reviewed, modified and corrected the English of [he is not a native speaker]), so they need to start there. If someone comes asking about a script or so that is within their range of skills, and they just need to know about how to do things, I am more than happy to spend up to 15 minutes or so helping them understand how to do things

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Projectshifter

*Jurisdiction
And we do, ask Spark yourself. Or at least on grounds of seniority and power some members, the existing members of the GST (the whole 3 of us =/) have both more seniority and rights than many of the PWA (excluding Spark of course). You are also failing to realize that some things don't have to be written down. Not EVERYTHING is written in stone. If a GST member has more rights than a PWA member, what does that imply? I think the logical answer is that they are more capable than PWA in some areas (usually fixing servers) and considering the fact that they have global RC, why would they not help given the chance?

Seems like the GST throwing weight around that Managers and owners are not aware that they have, would be confusing and cause trouble that can be avoided by having this in writing somewhere.
If I were a Manager, and a GST came on telling me stuff that was to be dealt with, with a pwa member, I would not just take their word that "they are allowed to do the pwa's job"...what then? I would get punished?
Not to mention all that wasted time arguing with globals needlessly.

It is also kind of unfair that GST have the rights to do pwa stuff, but the pwa themselves do not? That is confusing.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

The GST has the same jurstiction as the PWA??
When did this happen?
And where is it written?

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Seems like the GST throwing weight around that Managers and owners are not aware that they have, would be confusing and cause trouble that can be avoided by having this in writing somewhere.
If I were a Manager, and a GST came on telling me stuff that was to be dealt with, with a pwa member, I would not just take their word that "they are allowed to do the pwa's job"...what then? I would get punished?
Not to mention all that wasted time arguing with globals needlessly.

It is also kind of unfair that GST have the rights to do pwa stuff, but the pwa themselves do not? That is confusing.

I do believe that both you and ProjectShifter are guilty of the grave error of confusing individual members of the Global Scripting Team with the team as a whole. Each member of the GST is an individual in their own right - we each have our own set of rights and responsibilities. Here is my take on it, and a higher-up can correct me if I am mistaken: some of us are considered more along the lines of "Global Administrators" and as such permitted to assist in solving problems at playerworlds. For example, I sought such authorization long before most of our current PWA members even had that job. Angel and I would often deal with many of the problems that would occur on various servers, and we were quite effective at solving them. She often complimented me for my insight in discerning both the nature of the problem at hand and the most effective solution. Sadly, she is no longer with Graal, and these days I deal with such problems in cooperation with our PWA members, Stefan, unixmad, or, often, alone. You will note that there are few (if any) complaints about the manner in which I have handled such situations. I digress, but it's for the sake of an example / explanation.

Anyway, I'd just like to note that we are all global staff members and our goal is the same: the betterment of Graal. The members of the GST who can help out with such problems should do so when required. This is not to say that they are allowed to step on the toes of the PWA, but that they should be working together towards finding a solution. If there is a disagreement between global staff members, it is quite probably an important issue that requires further discussion before it can be resolved, and such discussion can only benefit Graal by resulting in the best possible solution to whatever problem it may be. I don't like seeing "I'm higher!" "No, it's my job!" arguments - any debate that exists should be about whatever problem we may be faced with, not about relative rank. Wouldn't you agree?

[Projectshifter]

Originally Posted by Lance

Each member of the GST is an individual in their own right - we each have our own set of rights and responsibilities. ... For example, I sought such authorization long before most of our current PWA members even had that job. Angel and I would often deal with many of the problems that would occur on various servers, and we were quite effective at solving them. She often complimented me for my insight in discerning both the nature of the problem at hand and the most effective solution. Sadly, she is no longer with Graal, and these days I deal with such problems in cooperation with our PWA members, Stefan, unixmad, or, often, alone. You will note that there are few (if any) complaints about the manner in which I have handled such situations. I digress, but it's for the sake of an example / explanation.

I miss Angel, I spoke to her on ICQ a few days ago Yes, but each member is their own litlte person It's kind of amusing how we both handle a lot of things but I never get to see you on RC anymore Also to conincide, there are very few complaints against the GST at the present, and to my recolocection neither of us have had any outsanding problems. I think overall most people however do not see what goes on, and therefore do not have clear understanding of the things that global staff do on a regular basis.

Originally Posted by Lance

Anyway, I'd just like to note that we are all global staff members and our goal is the same: the betterment of Graal. The members of the GST who can help out with such problems should do so when required. This is not to say that they are allowed to step on the toes of the PWA, but that they should be working together towards finding a solution. If there is a disagreement between global staff members, it is quite probably an important issue that requires further discussion before it can be resolved, and such discussion can only benefit Graal by resulting in the best possible solution to whatever problem it may be. I don't like seeing "I'm higher!" "No, it's my job!" arguments - any debate that exists should be about whatever problem we may be faced with, not about relative rank. Wouldn't you agree?

Well said my friend, well said

[syltburk]

Originally Posted by Projectshifter

I miss Angel, I spoke to her on ICQ a few days ago Yes, but each member is their own litlte person It's kind of amusing how we both handle a lot of things but I never get to see you on RC anymore Also to conincide, there are very few complaints against the GST at the present, and to my recolocection neither of us have had any outsanding problems. I think overall most people however do not see what goes on, and therefore do not have clear understanding of the things that global staff do on a regular basis.


Well said my friend, well said

What happened to Angel? Last time I saw here was when she globaly banned mem for saying something like "pantie girl" lol..