Roleplaying Admin

Zurkiba · #1 12-22-2004, 05:54 AM

But the fact is this...

There is one page with information about what the thread is supposed to be about. Establishing a head over the kings to keep them in check. Then it's followed by four pages of bickering over who it should be. One step at a time

Lets get the position made first, THEN pick the person to fill the shoes.

Discharge · #2 12-22-2004, 09:53 AM

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Again and again: It is possible to predict a person's competence. The most competent person should be selected, even if his competence stems directly from his experience. This isn't about sharing, it's about establishing a strong administrative team. Maybe that hasn't been served by the current system, but your suggestions aren't any better.

Here is the flaw in your argument; you’re saying experience from Staff Position A gives you an advantage in trying to qualify in a completely different Staff Position B. Allow me to elaborate, if I’m an Industrial Engineer that works in an Aerospace manufacturing plant, and I wanted to apply to change my position to a metallurgical engineer in the same plant, would I have any real advantage to someone completely new? Neither person has an advantage because they’ve never been a metallurgical engineer. Now if we were just talking about Vermin then it would be different.

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Are people not already able to submit ideas?

Yea, the same people have been submitting new ideas and it’s still not helping Role-playing. Example, Graal Kingdom item called “Mail of Might.”

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You misinterpreted something. It was written in English. How obvious do I need to make this?

I don’t want a preferential treatment to completely new people but a fair opportunity because it is well known that there is circle of people getting selected for staff positions. Its ok thou, English must not be your first language since you’ve misinterpreted what I have been trying to say.

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Congratulations. Now, do you think that understanding every script command would make you a good scripter? You have described the bare basics of roleplaying, and certainly not proven your competence with the art itself.

What do YOU want me to do to prove that I’m a good role-player even thou everyone in the community knows that I am a good role-player? Do you want me to show you my Certificate for Excellent Role-playing of 2001?

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And the real answer is: Yes, of course. Don't be ridiculous. The validity of a person's opinions isn't determined by his investment in the result.

If you don’t know jack-squat about role-playing and its community then how can we take your opinions seriously? If I try to go argue with environmentalist about ecosystem conservation, and I don’t know jack-squat about what’s going on the world, are they going to take my opinions seriously? Only a person with knowledge in the ecosystem and has been involved in political advocacy will be taken seriously.

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Let me guess: You looked up the fallacy I referenced and went searching for some that you thought you could use against me. Unfortunately you failed, in two ways:

1) I have not, at any point, argued that you lack roleplaying skills. I have noted an absence of evidence, but not interpreted this as evidence of absence.
2) Such comments would, obviously, be on topic. This thread is made to discuss the position of Roleplaying Admin, and evaluating possible candidates suits that purpose.

You guessed wrong. Since I could not provide substantial evidence to you, it has been concluded that my good role-playing skills are false. Sounds like an appeal to ignorance.

“Lack of proof is not proof”

I’m sure you’ve heard of that. Since I could not provide substantial proof/evidence of my good role-playing skills, then you argue that I can’t be a good role-player because there is no evidence. This makes my statement of “I’m a good role-player” false. If this is not how you were arguing against me, then I will retract my comment against you.

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And I'm just informing you that you're not very good at mocking. People can reason for themselves on the evidence provided. Personally I'm not taking this thread as good indication of your maturity.

Your comments about my character are nothing more but opinions that only you feel.

Edit: I'm starting to quote less, looks like this debate is coming to an end.

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So far I just see realistically Zurkiba, Vermin and I to be possible Role-Playing Administrators.

Maybe Chris, Lance, and Zell if he was serious but thats all we have so far.

Kaimetsu · #3 12-22-2004, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Discharge

Here is the flaw in your argument; you’re saying experience from Staff Position A gives you an advantage in trying to qualify in a completely different Staff Position B

Where did I make such a statement?

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Yea, the same people have been submitting new ideas and it's still not helping Role-playing

But currently everybody is able to submit ideas, correct?

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I don’t want a preferential treatment to completely new people but a fair opportunity because it is well known that there is circle of people getting selected for staff positions

If this were the case then there would be no need to drone about said circle. Simply insist that people be judged purely on their merits. Your belief that the "goodies" should be distributed between the players seems to suggest that you are concerned with more than simple suitability.

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What do YOU want me to do to prove that I’m a good role-player

I don't have any particular preference. I don't even want you to prove it. I'm merely informing you that making claims of skill doesn't count for much amongst those who don't already know you. And if they already know you and agree with the claims, what need is there to make them?

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If you don’t know jack-squat about role-playing and its community then how can we take your opinions seriously?

Simple: None of my arguments have been predicated on such knowledge.

(Of course, I would personally think that I'm probably a better roleplayer than you - I just don't do it on Graal)

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Since I could not provide substantial evidence to you, it has been concluded that my good role-playing skills are false

Where? I have made no such statement.

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you argue that I can’t be a good role-player because there is no evidence

No, I don't. The most I have done here is claimed that you've given no evidence to support your claim - I have never stated that it is false. You may well be a good roleplayer, but I can't assume that to be the case simply because you say so.

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Your comments about my character are nothing more but opinions that only you feel

Only me? That's quite a bold statement, but no matter. You can take my opinions however you want, I'm certainly not claiming that they're representative of any larger body.

Loriel · #4 12-22-2004, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Discharge

Your comments about my character are nothing more but opinions that only you feel.

This is not true.

Loriel · #5 12-22-2004, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Zurkiba

Then it's followed by four pages of bickering over who it should be.

That is not true.
Kai is only discussing flaws in Discharge's arguments, which he is seriously ignorant of. ~No one is yet discussing `who it should be'.

GryffonDurime · #6 12-22-2004, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

That is not true.
Kai is only discussing flaws in Discharge's arguments, which he is seriously ignorant of. ~No one is yet discussing `who it should be'.

Someone needs to get beaten in the head with the obvious stick- Discharge says "I want to have a chance to BE THE RP ADMIN" and Kaimetsu and he get into little post wars both against hiring policy in general, Discharge's fitness as a possible RP Admin, and lists of candidates for the job.

Yeah, we really didn't dicuss who it should be /sarcasm